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Itachi vs Pain

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Part I Itachi vs Six Paths of Pain
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Itachi: @XSOULOFCINDERX @MinatoSparkle @AlternativePrinciple @Wonder_of_Fantasy @Arcker123 @karo_senpaii @Apollonir.Scale
 
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So what's stopping Itachi from physically bullying Pain since Part 1 Itachi is superior to the Edo Itachi that's comparable in Speed and Strength to KCM1 Naruto who is stronger and faster than the Sage Mode Naruto who could run Pain's pockets every time they physically threw hands?
 
ok what about pain using summons via animal path or using deva path
naraka path is also useful
 
Robo432343 said:
ok what about pain using summons via animal path or using deva path
naraka path is also useful
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The summons get neg'd by both Amaterasu and the Susano'o and the Deva Path's gravity powers are Pain's only saving grace, albeit the cool down on his powers are gonna screw him over because Part 1 Itachi is stronger and faster than the KN6 Naruto that literally pushed himself through Shinra Tensei since KCM1 Naruto is slightly inferior to Part 1 Itachi via his fight with Edo Itachi and KCM1 Naruto said he was stronger than he was in his fight with Pain.
 
but pain can absorb amaterasu using petra paths and deva path can bypass Susano'o
 
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So itachi's wincons are

1. AP adventage in general and Speed, which he can enhance with sunshin to speed blitz
2. Susanoo which gives him greater AP and Hax, like sealing/BFR and Yata Mirrior
3. Amatarasu which can neg most of the pains except for deva and Petra path
4. similarly lifting strenght which means deva cant pull itachi to him as itachi can glue himself to the ground with chakra
5. Much Smarter then Nagato

Pains's wincons are

1. using 6B shinra tensei form the get go, but that can be neged by itachi activating susanoo
2. get close enough to use black receivers which is unlikely to happen
3. summons get ned by susanoo or amatarasu
4. CT which takes time and prep work, and can still be destroyed by itachi susanoo

i am voting for Itachi on this one, he can counter virtually anything pain can throw at him, has higher AP and speed and the hax to counter the pains hax
 
AlternativePrinciple said:
So itachi's wincons are

1. AP adventage in general and Speed, which he can enhance with sunshin to speed blitz
2. Susanoo which gives him greater AP and Hax, like sealing/BFR and Yata Mirrior
3. Amatarasu which can neg most of the pains except for deva and Petra path
4. similarly lifting strenght which means deva cant pull itachi to him as itachi can glue himself to the ground with chakra
5. Much Smarter then Nagato

Pains's wincons are

1. using 6B shinra tensei form the get go, but that can be neged by itachi activating susanoo
2. get close enough to use black receivers which is unlikely to happen
3. summons get ned by susanoo or amatarasu
4. CT which takes time and prep work, and can still be destroyed by itachi susanoo

i am voting for Itachi on this one, he can counter virtually anything pain can throw at him, has higher AP and speed and the hax to counter the pains hax
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If Itachi can counters everything Pain do, its stomp right
 
Feel like Izanagi is also pretty clear last resort wincon for Itachi, assuming he eventually 1v1's Deva Path Pain and has to deal with Chibaku Tensei.

Beyond that I do think Itachi takes this FRA. Surprised nobody even brought up Tsukuyomi off the bat either.
 
Even ignoring that, putting one Path of Pain in Genjutsu doesn't put the others or Nagato in the Genjutsu as shown by Jiraiya using Frog Song on three of them.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Even ignoring that, putting one Path of Pain in Genjutsu doesn't put the others or Nagato in the Genjutsu as shown by Jiraiya using Frog Song on three of them.
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Pretty sure if you look at Itachi or even his ring you just sorta fall under TS? I forget the specifics, but I know it's something you can absolutely fall under unknowingly.

Like his opener is pretty much going to be the "don't look at me" challenge.
 
Wonder_of_Fantasy said:
Pretty sure if you look at Itachi or even his ring you just sorta fall under TS? I forget the specifics, but I know it's something you can absolutely fall under unknowingly.

Like his opener is pretty much going to be the "don't look at me" challenge.
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That's not how Tsukuyomi works, he has fo specifically activated his Mangekyo and see your eyes since Kurenai and Asuma avoided it because theirs were shut.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
That's not how Tsukuyomi works, he has fo specifically activated his Mangekyo and see your eyes since Kurenai and Asuma avoided it because theirs were shut.
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My dumb ass is conflating TS with his general Genjutsu.

Anyways, I'm mostly referring to the time where Nard fell under Itachi's Genjutsu during the Kazekage Rescue Mission arc. It was the one instance where Nard fell under it and was snapped out of it by Sakura. That whole scene.
 
Wonder_of_Fantasy said:
My dumb ass is conflating TS with his general Genjutsu.

Anyways, I'm mostly referring to the time where Nard fell under Itachi's Genjutsu during the Kazekage Rescue Mission arc. It was the one instance where Nard fell under it and was snapped out of it by Sakura. That whole scene.
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Pain would resist that at best or just have one of the other Paths smack each other to break it since while they share vision, not all the Paths are effected by a Genjutsu simultaneously.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Even ignoring that, putting one Path of Pain in Genjutsu doesn't put the others or Nagato in the Genjutsu as shown by Jiraiya using Frog Song on three of them.
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Is it actually confirmed anywhere that the others weren't affected? The Genjutsu is stated to bind the psyche, which the corpse puppets obviously don't have since they're dead, so it suggests that Nagato was being affected directly.

Either way, I think visual Genjutsu is quite relevant here considering the Paths have shared vision.
 
P1 Itachi isn't actually rated as comparable/superior to Edo Itachi seemingly, the closest allusion to that is his Edo AP rating saying "Should not be too much weaker than his prime self," which doesn't specify P1 as his prime
 
MinatoSparkle said:
P1 Itachi isn't actually rated as comparable/superior to Edo Itachi seemingly, the closest allusion to that is his Edo AP rating saying "Should not be too much weaker than his prime self," which doesn't specify P1 as his prime
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That would be the take away and if that's not the case then why does Part 1 Itachi have literally the exact same stats as Edo Itachi?
 
Well for AP he scales there independently via Orochimaru, but speedwise it doesn't seem to have any specific justification so it's weird. Maybe people are just meant to assume they are comparable.
 
I think it is wrong to measure Alive Itachi over Edo Itachi. The disease and blindness in the eyes disappeared with edo tensei. He still has enough power to hit Pain. He can also predict his moves with Sharingan.

Chibaku tensei would be a big problem for Itachi, but Pain uses it as a finishing move if he is about to lose. And he did this even against 6-tailed Naruto by hiding behind a rock.

Susanoo would probably be a big problem for Pain. Because Susanoo's attacks are faster than its own user's attacks. Pain is faster than Sage Naruto and Sage Jiraiya in terms of speed. Itachi is faster than Hydra Orochimaru, who is probably stronger and faster than Sage Jiraiya. Here, he was sick and most of his chakra was depleted. We know from the line in Deidara and Sasuke's fight that when chakra decreases, speed also decreases.

Susanoo and Itachi blitz and I say win this match.

There are 9 days left until the YKS Exam and I am discussing Itachi vs Pain. I hope the future me won't be mad at the current me
 
The Pheonix Flower Nail technique is actually a pretty funny counter to Preta Path. He could absorb the flames and still get cut up by the Shuriken, which could pierce the Eight Tails.

I see a couple paths dying before they even force Mangekyo or Susanoo use out of Itachi.
 
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Arcker123 said:
The Pheonix Flower Nail technique is actually a pretty funny counter to Preta Path. He could absorb the flames and still get cut up by the Shuriken, which could pierce the Eight Tails.

I see a couple paths dying before they even force Mangekyo or Susanoo use out of Itachi.
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What's funny about Shurikenjutsu is that we know Itachi has used it to attack from Edo Nagato's blindspots. It's very likely that the same thing will happen here to merc a few of them, yeah.

Also exploding shadow clones can probably deal with summons.
 
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