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What if Oda himself saw the atrocious takes you guys had on here and specifically added it in?
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One Piece new chapter spoilers thread
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What if Oda himself saw the atrocious takes you guys had on here and specifically added it in?
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Wanna see what Loki and Luffy's going to do... Maybe 2v1 against imu?
DaMonkeMan
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This is most likely especially if Imu had a hand in Harald's corruption and death
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Weevil has had 0 onscreen fights
Elemental disadvantage, AND he was protecting Luffy
Both injured and < Marco
Sabo < Marco
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I know I am in the minority, but I disagree. At least for King
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King is weaker than Marco bro
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King would whoop Marco's ass in a 1v1
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Ehh I think they're relative but Oda seems to have Marco very slightly above King since it seems that he intended to make Marco fight and defeat King in Wano until he switched up and had Zoro do it. Not much evidence for this but there is the fact that Marco was visibly shown to be capable of hurting King through his Lunarian defense and later Zoro couldn't do that despite having better AP than Marco (which is a pretty blatant retcon). Oda made King a little stronger than he was probably supposed to be so he could give Zoro more of a challenge.
Weevil was still a Warlord plus Kizaru hyped his strength. I don't imagine he's only as strong as people like Jack lol
Fair
They couldn't have been that injured since a whole week passed and Aramaki never even implied that they seemed weakened or anything.
Sabo isn't < Marco I don't even know how you came to that conclusion given his portrayal and feats
But if you really think the Admirals are barely above YC1 level that's fine, I just want to see a panel of a YC1 level character easily blocking and deflecting Snakeman Luffy's attacks and blitzing him after roughly a minute or two of fighting him.
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It was not explicit, and the mechanics of Lunarian defense were most likely not completely fleshed out at the point. Later in Egghead, a much stronger Luffy was also unable to damage Seraphims with their flame mode activated
DaMonkeMan
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We also see Zoro clearly draw blood from flame on King though
It's just a retcon tbh, nothing to think too hard about
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Yeah Marco isn't relative to any Admirals.
Considering that Greenbull could hold his own again the Nine Red Scabbards and survive attacks from both Yamato and Zoan Momo, all while still holding back.
And he was willing to keep fighting until Shanks show up.
Considering that Greenbull could hold his own again the Nine Red Scabbards and survive attacks from both Yamato and Zoan Momo, all while still holding back.
And he was willing to keep fighting until Shanks show up.
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Definitely a retcon, yes
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I don't know where that misconception came from since Marco barely has any meaningful interactions with the Admirals. All he does that's of note is:
Clashing with casual Kizaru and doing no damage
Kicking off guard Kuzan and doing seemingly no damage
And clashing with weakened Akainu and doing seemingly no damage (though him stopping him is still a feat even if he couldn't stall him for long).
There's nothing that implies he or any other YC1 besides maybe Benn Beckman are close to the Admirals in strength. This has been a myth in the community for a long time and it doesn't really make sense given how Kizaru performed on Egghead and how Kizaru could clash with Old Rayleigh despite swordsmanship being his secondary fighting style.
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If you look at the panels, it looks like King turned his flame off because he's stupid
Alabasta Crocodile, Punk Hazard Law, Moria,
By comparing him to Primebeard, who is waaaaay stronger than Greebull.
Yes, but we don't know his TACTICS. For all we know, he's got dogshit Haki and Greenbull just sucked him off instantly.
I mean, the anime version is the only version we've seen the fight in. Plus, Queen didn't have like half his shit on him, including his arm, and King was missing one of his wings, AND we don't have any evidence they even used Zoan forms.
Mostly due to his lack of portrayal and feats.
I don't think Marco is just YC1 level, and if he is, then he is definitively one of the best ones in the tier.
That said, being "barely above" one tier below you definitively does make you your own tier? Idk what you mean.
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And what about Zoro harming him while his flame was on
Alabasta Croc was rusty and cocky since he didn't have any real fights since he fought and lost to Primebeard horribly.
Punk Hazard Law is weird to scale due to his hax
Moria was said to have gotten weaker after losing to Kaido and it was so bad they had to send Doffy and a few Pacifista after him because he was too weak to be on the team anymore.
Either way he hyped him though
Maybe but then I don't see the reason for them to hire him for his strength if the dude doesn't even have like, Cracker level Haki
Also OG Stussy probably would have mentioned if it was an unfair fight.
Queen only lost a sword and an arm iirc, he still had a handful of things at his disposal. King losing a wing doesn't matter since iirc he can grow more wings with his fruit, also we don't know if they used Zoan forms but it's safe to assume they'd at least try to since, well, why wouldn't they use them against a top tier??
He's still Dragon's right hand man and the second strongest in an organization "stocked with fighters to be reckoned with!!!", to quote Doflamingo (though to be fair this is the same guy who thought he could somehow defeat Issho with the help of his crew, so..). Plus he low diffed Burgess
I don't quite understand this comment but my point is that as of now the Admirals have far better feats and portrayal than any YC1 not named Benn Beckman and maybe Zoro if we're really pushing the meaning of YC1.
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A. IIRC Kizaru was comparing them in terms of pure physical prowess - which constitutes at best, like 1/3rd of prime Whitebeard's full power
B. It is likely that Greenbull threatened the civilians and Weevil surrendered without much of a fight to ensure the safety of the island
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He already did
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Zoro literally did the same thing to Flame On King (and drew way more blood than just a few droplets like Marco did) before the retcon happened, so that really isn't proof of Marco being stronger than King.
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1. Personally, I don't see that happening to Hajrudin, but we'll see.
2. People underestimated Bonney in Egghead and look how that turned out lol. And the way Brook brought up Hajrudin when the Straw Hats were wondering where Luffy and company were does imply his strength won't be as irrelevant during his battle as fans think.
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I mean, Queen says "you guys didn't hurt us" right after, but it was probably just Oda not deciding what King's hax were.
No Warlords have shown themselves to be more skilled with Haki than Cracker during their career as Warlords except Mihawk. We can assume Hancock and Kuma had better Haki than Cracker at that time, though.
Moria has never even shown Haki, and his ass was fighting Kaidou. Crocodile still only has implied Buso from databooks. Teach didn't even show off Buso until Egghead.
If you want to argue that a guy with Yonkou-level or even God-tier physicals and the ability to use 2 forms of Haki at all wouldn't be allowed into the Warlords despite having an active grudge against a huge group of enemy pirate crews, who he was actively defeating repeatedly, go ahead.
Whitebeard > Dragon, and Marco was his right hand.
Burgess. The man whose only real fight is being stomped by Sabo. That's like hyping up Kaidou by saying how far above Raizo he is.
Mihawk and Kuzan are still YCs
DaMonkeMan
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I was saying it seems like Oda first had his mind set on having Maroc and King fight eachother and having Marco win after a hard fight but switched up for an unknown reason (he likely had no other powerful characters that'd fit as a Zoro opponent)
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People have simply overrated Marco, Vista, Ace, and Jozu's performances during the Marineford War. That might have been understandable at the start of the Timeskip, when it seen like the Commanders could actually put up an actual fight against the Admirals.
However, after Wano and Egghead, it's clear the gap is actually far greater. If anything, it's the Admirals who have been shown to be closer in power to the Emperors.
Frankly, that's one of the reasons i don't believe Top Commanders (at least those from Whitebeard, Kaido, and Big Mom) should ever be consider Moon level. Or at most that rate should only be a "possibly".
Sure, the Gorosei did believe Marco might potentially be able to stop Teach, but this is the same Blackbeard who clashed with a full-power Sengoku and then with Garp shortly after, compare iy tob the combined strength of multiple Whitebeard’s Commanders, which only managed to contain a seriously injured Akainu.
And Marco, along with the remnants of Whitebeard’s crew, suffered an overwhelming defeat in their clash with Blackbeard. So it doesn't seem like they were ever able to fight Teach and his crew on even footing. So trying to scale them to Blackbeard—who had only recently acquired Whitebeard’s fruit—is shaky.
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Bro couldn't even 2v1 him, what are you about...?
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Queen left the 2v1 after chapter 1006 and Marco got downed in chapter 1022. That's a whole 16 chapters that they 1v1'd for. I think it's safe to say they're pretty relative with King having the edge because of his Lunarian hax. Marco's definitely a better fighter and would be ragdolling Flames On King for most of the fight, but he's definitely getting taken out before King does.
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BB had the tremor fruit for a year by that time, that's not recently
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True, still for how the war was described nothing say that Marco or the other WB pirates where actually able to put an actual even fight against Blackbeard himself.
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Even a Blackbeard who just got the fruit and claimed he couldn't control it well was fending off Sengoku and Garp at the same with the upper hand. I don't think I have to explain why scaling them to a Blackbeard who had a whole year to train more makes absolutely zero sense.
DaMonkeMan
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Keep in mind Garp was able to blitz Marco and leave a wound on him for a while afterwards
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You guys MUST be watching two piece
Like idk if you guys are trolling, being biased, just saying shit or actually being serious and believing in any of that
Marco literally stooping the force of Kizaru's multi attack against Whitebeard
And you guys are saying... Nah he isn't relative... MY GUY, LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE EVEN SAYING, ITS THAT BLATANT
Then It's Kizaru stopping the force of Marco's attack
Both lying that their attacks were effective against each other, and then after we see Marco's adding more force, literally overpowering Kizaru and sending him flying
you guys MUST be on something if you guys believe Marco isn't AT LEAST relative to the admirals... And this is without external statements that further support everything that's been shown
Like what f ing feats are you guys making up in your heads... Stop listening to Twitter, you guys might be actually receiving brain damage or something by listening to admiral fans
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DaMonkeMan
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This is like saying Jozu ~ Mihawk since he stopped his attack lolYou guys MUST be watching two piece
Like idk if you guys are trolling, being biased, just saying shit or actually being serious and believing in any of that
Marco literally stooping the force of Kizaru's multi attack against Whitebeard
And you guys are saying... Nah he isn't relative... MY GUY, LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE EVEN SAYING, ITS THAT BLATANT
Then It's Kizaru stopping the force of Marco's attack
Both lying that their attacks were effective against each other, and then after we see Marco's adding more force, literally overpowering Kizaru and sending him flying
you guys MUST be on something if you guys believe Marco isn't AT LEAST relative to the admirals... And this is without external statements that further support everything that's been shown
Like what f ing feats are you guys making up in your heads... Stop listening to Twitter, you guys might actually receiving brain damage or something by listening to admiral fans or something
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It's almost like being one with one of the strongest durability in the show isn't relative to the god tiers... Like bro what?
Mihawk also only used an air slash... He can't add any more force or abilities to his attack but it's still relative no matter what especially as it was going towards WB
Jozu being stated to have arm strength at top class also completely proves Jozu ~ Mihawk in terms of those aspects
Again what are you guys actually on about... Look at the facts before you guys start speaking, especially when being as confident as you guys are
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What on earth are you going on about.
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what... Are you soo influenced by others that you can't understand plain truths?
do you actually believe no one ever scales to mihawk? Like what are YOU on about?
Bro thinks mihawk one shots everyone in the verse or something, he only did that to Daz bones... Calm down
DaMonkeMan
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Bro can't say anything
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King was getting pressed by Marco with help.
DaMonkeMan
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It's fairly obvious Marco and King are relative lol come on
Idk how the powerscaling here got worse since I was gone
Idk how the powerscaling here got worse since I was gone
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literally nothing changed... Actually nevermind... I meant it shouldn't have been changed
