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Percy Jackson (Heros of Olympus)
vs
Garfiel (Arc 5)

Both are tier 7A and everything above is restricted

Fight takes place in the Roswaal Manor with multiple small fountain around but not a big water of body nearby

Seaweed brain invades the manor while everybody else is out to save himself from a Giant who he left behind, he tries using it as a resting spot but runs into Garfiel who has been ordered to eliminate anybody who enters. Garfiel gets up from eating his pre prepped Lasagna that Ram nee-sama made him (Sadge) and is angry because of that


Starting distance is 20m
Speed is equalized
SBA


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Okay so for Percy he has the advantage of getting stronger and faster with his water powers while garf has better skill and starting AP but in this key he doesn't have good control of his beast form.

It's worth mentioning that Percy is pretty skilled as well and I don't think they are that far in skill either

Water manipulation is basically not seen in re zero at all so it will be completely new territory for garf

There aren't any major water bodies around so Percy can only use the fountains to his advantage and gain the upper hand in movement due to that

He could also bloodblend but that's ooc and he just won't do it because of annabeth
 
but in this key he doesn't have good control of his beast form.
Does it like worsen his skill or is the transformation itself unstable?

Also apparently Garfiel significantly scales above his value while Percy's seems to be = his, that coupled with the AD, don't think Percy will ever really have the advantage in AP.
 
Does it like worsen his skill or is the transformation itself unstable?
his beast form is animalistic so a full transformation basically renders him useless in skill, however he can partially transform to somewhat mitigate this
Also apparently Garfiel significantly scales above his value while Percy's seems to be = his, that coupled with the AD, don't think Percy will ever really have the advantage in AP.
The AD only ever kicks in after arc 7, this is arc 5 garf before the kurgan fight
 
While Percy does start out slightly weaker, he can double his AP by simply coming into contact with water (see his earlier keys)
Not enough to overwhelm Garfield but enough to give him the advantage in CQC
Percy can't also use water powers because those bump him to 6-C
I was planning on giving Celestial Bronze/Imperial Gold some decent haxes (which would make getting nicked by it very troublesome for opponents) but oh well
Also, Riordan confirmed that Percy CAN'T bloodbend
Let me see some arguments for Garfield before I cast my vote
 
While Percy does start out slightly weaker, he can double his AP by simply coming into contact with water (see his earlier keys)
Not enough to overwhelm Garfield but enough to give him the advantage in CQC
Percy can't also use water powers because those bump him to 6-C
I was planning on giving Celestial Bronze/Imperial Gold some decent haxes (which would make getting nicked by it very troublesome for opponents) but oh well
Also, Riordan confirmed that Percy CAN'T bloodbend
Let me see some arguments for Garfield before I cast my vote
So Garfiel is mainly a skill merchant and due to this version being one right before his kurgan fight there is a possibility that he will overcome his mental block which will allow him to start ADing like crazy, like each hit becoming stronger and stronger while he constantly heals himself from straight up lethal wounds.
However, I doubt he will be able to reach that state easily because Kurgan is a very difficult opponent and his personality is opposite to percy, so for eg he would defeat Garf in cqc and then stop because he knows Garf has more potential than that and other stuff

Now onto the skill part, Garfiel in arc 4 fought his first battle against Elsa Granhiet, The Bowel Hunter and won, this makes him atleast comparable to her.
Elsa is a warrior possessing excellent technique, overwhelming combat intution, and impossibly fine control over her own body. Her skills allow her to keep complete control of a fight, while avoiding large attacks in a cellar with very little room to move around. This godlike skill means she could avoid a countless number of ice shards flying all around a room: spinning around, ducking so low she appeared to crawl, stepping off walls to seemingly ignore gravity, and cutting through attacks that were unavoidable matching what her opponent had in numbers with her own overwhelming degree of skill. Even when attacked in her blind-spot, with perfect timing, at the perfect angle, she easily countered and redirected the attack. Countering unseen attacks aimed at her back, without even turning around, is effortless for her. Every technique she sees even once in battle doesn't work a second time against her, as she foresees it coming and promptly avoids and punishes the repetition. Even if a countless number of attacks are used, so long as she's seen it once before every last one will fail to reach Elsa.
This key is 1 yr after that battle had happened
 
So currently Percy has a slight AP advantage which is covered by Garfiel scaling above his value so they are pretty even, which makes this a ground vs water type matchup
 
So Garfiel is mainly a skill merchant and due to this version being one right before his kurgan fight there is a possibility that he will overcome his mental block which will allow him to start ADing like crazy, like each hit becoming stronger and stronger while he constantly heals himself from straight up lethal wounds.
However, I doubt he will be able to reach that state easily because Kurgan is a very difficult opponent and his personality is opposite to percy, so for eg he would defeat Garf in cqc and then stop because he knows Garf has more potential than that and other stuff

Now onto the skill part, Garfiel in arc 4 fought his first battle against Elsa Granhiet, The Bowel Hunter and won, this makes him atleast comparable to her.

This key is 1 yr after that battle had happened
I'm more concerned with haxes if any
Percy is quite limited especially without water powers
 
I'm more concerned with haxes if any
Percy is quite limited especially without water powers
Garfiel is a punching and kicking merchant so there isnt many haxes he uses, the only relevant ones he might use is his ground manipulation for acrobatics

The main advantage he has here is being more skilled iirc, and its not like percy doesnt have access to water at all its just that he cant create a tsunami like he would near a beach
 
How does this work if everything above 7-A is restricted, does Percy just not get to use his water powers offensively?
 
How does this work if everything above 7-A is restricted, does Percy just not get to use his water powers offensively?
pretty sure his 6C stuff is from tsunami's or bigger water channel manipulation. he will still have access to normal water manipulation like with fountains
 
Percy is explicitly one of the most skilled swordsman in his verse, with only a few people able to match or outright best him in skill. He's dealt with many types of powers and is decently good at coming up with plans to defeat stronger or faster foes, and is durable enough to last long enough to come up with plans. With a few fountains nearby, he's got a source to both empower and heal himself, or he could even just use it to attempt to drown his opponent in it if necessary. I'm not sure how mist manipulation would or wouldn't affect Garfiel, so I'll ignore that. With speed equalized, Percy may have the advantage with his water amp and celestial bronze sword.
 
Percy is explicitly one of the most skilled swordsman in his verse, with only a few people able to match or outright best him in skill. He's dealt with many types of powers and is decently good at coming up with plans to defeat stronger or faster foes, and is durable enough to last long enough to come up with plans. With a few fountains nearby, he's got a source to both empower and heal himself, or he could even just use it to attempt to drown his opponent in it if necessary. I'm not sure how mist manipulation would or wouldn't affect Garfiel, so I'll ignore that. With speed equalized, Percy may have the advantage with his water amp and celestial bronze sword.
Finally a response!

Okay so Garfiel has his instinctive reaction, analytical prediction and ESP which can sense dangers even when he isn't directly looking at his opponent

The water amp is not significant enough to make him greater than Garfiel in AP and Garfiel is also extremely tanky, he also has great healing and can even regenerate fatal blows if he transforms

Garfiel could also manipulate the ground to attack him from multiple angles just like Percy does so they are pretty even on that too


Overall they are pretty similar with the only major advantage being skill in Garfs favor
 
Finally a response!

Okay so Garfiel has his instinctive reaction, analytical prediction and ESP which can sense dangers even when he isn't directly looking at his opponent

The water amp is not significant enough to make him greater than Garfiel in AP and Garfiel is also extremely tanky, he also has great healing and can even regenerate fatal blows if he transforms

Garfiel could also manipulate the ground to attack him from multiple angles just like Percy does so they are pretty even on that too


Overall they are pretty similar with the only major advantage being skill in Garfs favor
I don't think I'd fully agree that skill is definitely in Garfiel's favor. Percy is a naturally talented swordsman. His skills continue to grow as time passes, capable of holding his own against and defeating larger, more experienced, and more powerful opponents, including several monsters and Ares, although he had underestimated Percy. In The Lightning Thief, he was able to disarm Luke, the most skilled swordsman at Camp Half-Blood for the last three hundred years, in a swordsmanship class with a complex maneuver he just learned with a water amp-literally his first time training with a sword. In The Sea of Monsters, even when Percy had only trained for a year at the time, he was already regarded by other campers to be better than any other camper in Camp Half-Blood at swordplay in the last 100 years, with many comparing him to Luke. At this point, Percy sparred against entire cabins at a time, and rather easily beat the guys from the Apollo Cabin, and every demi-god has enhanced senses and reflexes. Despite being out of practice when he fought Luke, Percy was briefly able to fight him off, but was overpowered rather easily due to being rusty. In The Battle of the Labyrinth, Percy was skilled enough to defeat Ethan Nakamura and beat a recently awakened Kronos without the Curse of Achilles. In The Son of Neptune, even after losing the Curse of Achilles, he fended off an entire army of continually resurrecting ghosts by himself while still protecting Frank and the golden eagle of the legion, as well as easily defeated an Amazon. According to Frank, Percy "fought like a demon." When possessed by eidolons, Percy fought Jason on even footing (Piper couldn't believe the speed of their sword fighting which she described as a 'blur', as they exchanged multiple blows that lasted only a second). It should be noted that Jason was distracted by Piper's charmspeak twice, which allowed the possessed Percy to eventually exploit the opening in Jason's defense. In The Son of Sobek, Carter admitted that Percy was a way better swordsman than he was even with Carter's specialty being combat magic and swordsmanship. The only people shown to be his superior are Luke (who was possessed by Kronos at the time) and his half-brother Chrysaor, who is pretty much only known for being the son of Medusa and his swordsmanship-hell I'm pretty sure his name translates to golden blade. In Son of Neptune he goes so far as to thoroughly trounce Polybotes, the giant tailor-made to kill his father, single-handedly, only needing Terminus' help to finish the job, because giants can only be killed by a god and demigod working together.
I'm also not sure how celestial bronze would interact with Gargiel. However, it was able to harm the Egyptian magicians, and I don't believe he's lycanthropic at all, so I think it would still work. Which is important. Because celestial bronze and imperial gold attack your very essence. This is later backed up when Jason is stabbed by an imperial gold sword. Just getting cut by celestial bronze is debilitatingly painful, for both demigods and Egyptian magicians. I'm not fully familiar with Garfiel's backstory, but they are of similar ages and Percy has fought in two wars against immortals and monsters, many of which were stronger, or faster, or even had many abilities to fight against, not to mention his experience with the Egyptian stuff as well. What I truly believe would be Garfiel's best advantage is his healing and recovery when transforming, though it's not anything Percy hasn't fought against before, and I don't think it's as powerful as having Gaia continually healing all wounds or being completely immortal unless specific conditions are met.
 
I was planning on giving Celestial Bronze/Imperial Gold some decent haxes (which would make getting nicked by it very troublesome for opponents) but oh well
Might roll out that thread sooner than expected
Also, uh, Percy should have fear Manipulation via Wolf Stare as with all Roman Demigods
 
Most of this is fluff and doesnt really help him out in cross verse battles as it isnt scalable. Garf upscales massively from Emilia who could beat 10 of Rowan. More importantly, can Percy do anything about the instinctive fighting style of garf which exploits every minute gap between the mind and the body?

Like i know percy is much more skilled than his profile says but there really isnt much aside from fluff on it rn
I'm also not sure how celestial bronze would interact with Gargiel. However, it was able to harm the Egyptian magicians, and I don't believe he's lycanthropic at all, so I think it would still work. Which is important.
yeah i was wondering about this as well, i am letting it work in this scenario since garf is technically not a human mortal (quarterbeast and we know centaurs and such are affected)
Garfiel has great pain resistance and later on rips his own stomach open, he would also obviously block Anaklusmos
I'm not fully familiar with Garfiel's backstory, but they are of similar ages and Percy has fought in two wars against immortals and monsters, many of which were stronger, or faster, or even had many abilities to fight against, not to mention his experience with the Egyptian stuff as well. What I truly believe would be Garfiel's best advantage is his healing and recovery when transforming, though it's not anything Percy hasn't fought against before, and I don't think it's as powerful as having Gaia continually healing all wounds or being completely immortal unless specific conditions are met.
Going by profiles garf is more skilled even if percy has had more experience
 
Isnt there anything else left for Percy which could turn the tide over to him? Like he is really crafty in battles and his combat iq is genuinely insane

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