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Ohma (7): @azontr, @Stillwinston, @First_Witch, @Robo432343, @WanderingGecko, @MannyQ361, @Naito-desu

Tanjiro (1): @Passerby

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Who even is this guy? I’ve never seen him. What can he even do?
 
Can anyone give me a rundown of what Ohma can do?
He has complete control over energy flows, is able to nullify enemy attacks with points of force, is able to unbalance enemies with a single touch, has heightened senses and instinctive reactions, resists prediction in multiple layers, is able to read an enemy a hundred steps ahead, is able to predict the emergence of an enemy's attack intention and attack before that attack begins, can destroy an enemy's nervous system with a single blow, has a durability booster that allows him to ignore attacks that have previously damaged him, his endurance allows him to be on the verge of death for several days and continue fighting, is able to copy techniques simply by seeing them once, nullifies attacks that bypass the hard shell, has a x3-6 speed booster, an AP booster, attacks with an unpredictable vector, and high-class combat skills in all areas of martial arts.
 
He has complete control over energy flows, is able to nullify enemy attacks with points of force, is able to unbalance enemies with a single touch, has heightened senses and instinctive reactions, resists prediction in multiple layers, is able to read an enemy a hundred steps ahead, is able to predict the emergence of an enemy's attack intention and attack before that attack begins, can destroy an enemy's nervous system with a single blow, has a durability booster that allows him to ignore attacks that have previously damaged him, his endurance allows him to be on the verge of death for several days and continue fighting, is able to copy techniques simply by seeing them once, nullifies attacks that bypass the hard shell, has a x3-6 speed booster, an AP booster, attacks with an unpredictable vector, and high-class combat skills in all areas of martial arts.
Also, this is the creation of afterimages, formless attacks that will cause any blow that Tanjiro lands, even a blow from a katana, to be nullified and returned to him with double the force, manipulation of momentum, reflection of an attack that allows you to destabilize the enemy even when you have no fulcrum and he is already delivering the finishing blow, body control, the ability to control broken limbs using other muscles, the ability to control joints, experience with opponents that are 5-15 times superior to him in brute force, ignoring blitz through pre-initiative, experience fighting a hundred armed opponents at once and experience disarming armed opponents.
 
....uhh, 88 tons?

what's he supposed to do here?

i doubt bro has showings blocking attacks more 1000 times stronger than his
 
From what I'm seeing Ohma has the better LS so Water Kata moves are going to be an issue for Tanjiro if he gets grappled
 
I'm like, 99% certain that Ohma folds on the basis of Analytical Prediction alone. Iirc even low tier fodder Kengan characters have incredible levels of prediction. Ohma skillstomps
 
Would Tanjiro's selfless state and transparent world help at all?
On the sheer volume of AnaPre feats alone already no. Like AnaPre is a central power system in Kengan, with multiple prediction systems existing on top of each other.
 
So Stomp Match. Got it. Thanks the guy who's trying to stop Re;Zero skill slop
 
But analysis through direct muscle vision should still have an advantage. Plus Tanjiro has enough speed amp to take the initiative, and also TW gives the same effect as Kiryu FD, but without the side effects
 
I'm like, 99% certain that Ohma folds on the basis of Analytical Prediction alone. Iirc even low tier fodder Kengan characters have incredible levels of prediction. Ohma skillstomps
how good we talking

cause iirc tanjiro's TW is better than his future smell since it allowed him to dodge what he deemed to be an inescapable attack by instinct

TW's own passive shenannigans not withstanding

and he probably scales at least somewhat to kokushibo reading someone's entire genome and determining their ancestry about instantly
 
But analysis through direct muscle vision should still have an advantage.
Why do you say this like Kengans basic AnaPre isnt literally that plus behavior? With ohmas being kinetic energy on top of that?
Plus Tanjiro has enough speed amp to take the initiative
Kengan AnaPre is potent enough to neg speed blitzes, also Ohma has multiple stat amps as well?
and also TW gives the same effect as Kiryu FD, but without the side effects
"Same effect", sure, but also same potency? Same scale? Is Tanjiro more skilled than Kiryu?
 
Why do you say this like Kengans basic AnaPre isnt literally that plus behavior? With ohmas being kinetic energy on top of that?
Because analyzing gaze, stance and other data will never be as accurate as if you analyze a person by the movement of his muscles + blood vessels
Kengan AnaPre is potent enough to neg speed blitzes, also Ohma has multiple stat amps as well?
The Berserker Tournament made it clear to us that spamming fast attacks bypasses pre-initiative
"Same effect", sure, but also same potency? Same scale? Is Tanjiro more skilled than Kiryu?
Yes, it allows Tanjiro to totally blitz anyone he was comparable to. Kiryu couldn't boast of that.
 
how good we talking

cause iirc tanjiro's TW is better than his future smell since it allowed him to dodge what he deemed to be an inescapable attack by instinct

TW's own passive shenannigans not withstanding

and he probably scales at least somewhat to kokushibo reading someone's entire genome and determining their ancestry about instantly
It has been a long time since I read Kengan, so a more knowledgeable user can answer this better than me. Just saying that beginning of Series Ohma was capable of perfectly predicting attacks blind through sound while being in a room with a loud, cheering crowd surrounding him, his eyesight AnaPre capable of seeing the very kinetic energy preceding a attack.

Most Kengan Martial artists have "Foresight", the ability to predict attacks based on minute behavior and muscle and tendon movement. Most Foresight is at the bare minimum 10 steps ahead.

Then there is Pre-Initiative, which is a whole category above Foresight.

Here are some scans
 
On the topic of analytical prediction, it isn't just sensing stance and basic physical data. Pre-Initiative level fighters can also sense muscle movements, the movement of air on their skin and every single hair, as well as literally one's intent before they move. If we're considering the sheer volume of data being analyzed, Ohma is also no slouch.

The greater Tanjiro's own prediction the more it may also backfire on him, since Ohma-level fighters can also "hide" their inception in the blind spots of their opponent, making it more tricky to detect where they'll come from, even if you have greater kinetic vision like Koga or Kiryu.
 
I coudnt find the 100 step statement so I wasnt sure.
'Tis in chapter 109 of Asura (didn't feel like downloading the scan). It's also of note that Kaneda's poopoo water Foresight allowed him to react to Gaolong's blitz-level attacks, and Cosmo with even worse foresight was capable of avoiding blitz attacks from a guy using a bladed whip (chapter 179 of Asura). So, Tanjiro's speed amps aren't going to be the end all be all, not to mention Ohma also has his own flat speed amps, though only in small bursts.
 
capable of perfectly predicting attacks blind through sound while being in a room with a loud, cheering crowd surrounding him,
this really just means he can diffirentiate sound to an absurd degree

his eyesight AnaPre capable of seeing the very kinetic energy preceding a attack.
this is good tho
Most Kengan Martial artists have "Foresight", the ability to predict attacks based on minute behavior and muscle and tendon movement. Most Foresight is at the bare minimum 10 steps ahead.
nah, tanjiro deadass just smells the futrure

like straight up, that doesn't really matter, and his TW is a step ahead of that

Kaneda's foresight (which is barely basic ***** baby level stuff in comparison to Pre-Initiative users) is at the very least 100 steps ahead.
what does "100 steps ahead" mean?


The greater Tanjiro's own prediction the more it may also backfire on him
this doesn't particularly make sens, "The better you're at it the worse off you are" isn't particularly something you say without proper context as to why lol

deception gets seen trough when you're good enough after all, and you can't really hide your body when your opponent has esoteric bullshit powers than can see trough it somehow, even trough clothing and such
 
what does "100 steps ahead" mean?
Guess.
this doesn't particularly make sens, "The better you're at it the worse off you are" isn't particularly something you say without proper context as to why lol
Might not have been the clearest, sorry. Meant that the clearer Tanjiro senses his intent the easier it'll be for Ohma to trick him since he can shift where his intent appears, such as in an opponent's blind spot. This works on fighters who have superior kinetic vision to Ohma such as the "Fist Eye", which is basically the same as see-through world, it just doesn't have x-ray vision.

It would only fool a part of Tanjiro's greater prediction but Ohma is skilled enough to capitalize on even microscopic openings like that, which could help him.
 
he can see 100 moves into the future?

It would only fool a part of Tanjiro's greater prediction but Ohma is skilled enough to capitalize on even microscopic openings like that, which could help him.
tanjiro doesn't really rely on intent for prediction.

he like, has future smell.

deadass just that, he can predict where a damn doll with 6 arms is gonna attack using it, that's not really gonna anything to him

and thr TW is superior to even that, like i said, as it allowed him to dodge akaza's attacks which he deemed undodgeable
 
he can see 100 moves into the future?
Yes.
tanjiro doesn't really rely on intent for prediction.
I mean, he has it. And if he uses it at all, Ohma would trick that. Like I said, not really an effect on his greater predictive capability, but any opening created is one Ohma can and will exploit. I didn't really bring it up as some end all be all advantage, but either way, it's an advantage.
deadass just that, he can predict where a damn doll with 6 arms is gonna attack using it,
Impressive, but even people entire dimensions below Ohma can predict unruly attacks like that, such as when Cosmo was able to avoid stuff like this from an opponent that was much faster than him while he was fresh off of getting his ass beat to this extent. Ohma himself can also easily predict attacks from whips, which have much more unconventional and difficult movements than Type-Zero with just its six arms.
and thr TW is superior to even that, like i said, as it allowed him to dodge akaza's attacks which he deemed undodgeable
Not quite as impressive, I'm not really getting what makes this superior to just baseline slow-mo, since Fist Eye users can also do stuff like this.

On the topic of what Ohma can actually do to win, the easiest thing he can honestly do is simply disarming Tanjiro of his sword and then going from there. He can basically just snatch it out of the air with a single burst of Advance (which is 2-4x speed amp at the very least), and from there he can use redirection + his massive LS advantage to simply fling it from Tanjiro's grip at that point. It wouldn't be able to slice through him either, since redirection can stop blades from piercing due to their low surface area.
 
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