2025 JJK Upgrade CRT

[Giannysmag]

Can't watch the episode rn, but does the time limit for cursed energy gets lower (Like from 17 years 6 minutes to 17 years 5 minutes)when he's fighting (not counting his beams etc.)

In the manga it only changes when he uses his beams

 

[Arkenis]

That's not the same. Usage of curse energy is completely different. That's not equal to the amount of cursed energy it takes.

It literally says "attack lasted a second = this attack equals to cursed energy worth of a second""

So Gojo's hollow purple would only worth a second of cursed energy if the attack only exists for a second? Or if someone uses domain expansion for a second, it's only a "worth of a second" cursed energy?

Gojo's the worst example since he literally can output any amount.

Or it can simply be "this cursed energy can keep this robot working for 17 years. Enough cursed energy to make this robot continue to move" or etc.

And that 17 years of cursed energy is his savings, cursed energy he kept for years. etc etc.

Also 17 years which is basically his entire life, making it impossible for it to be based on him in the beginning.

What??? I don't even get the disagreement at this point.

Yeah, years worth of cursed energy is correct, but based on what or who? Not himself for sure as it is chronologically doesn't make any sense.

For me, it's based on the robot, "this robot can move for this long with this energy". Suitable as the robot seeming

And even then, calc assumes the cursed energy and output as the same. Saying the attack is only 1 second worth of cursed energy output itself is not applicable.

 

[Keshirou]

Gravity.

You think only black holes pulls stuff?

Yuki doesnt have any gravity stuff. And literally in the chapter Yuki creates a Black Hole. Why we would assume that its some uknown gravity manip, instead of direct statement in chapter about Black Hole?
With what she would pull Kenjaku other than Black Hole?

 

[Giannysmag]

Also 17 years which is basically his entire life, making it impossible for it to be based on him in the beginning.

To add to this, we know from the databooks that Muta was 17 when he died and his birthaday was on October 4 meaning he would be exactly 17 years and 15 days old when he fought Mahito (October 19) so it cannot be just how long he has lived

Yuki doesnt have any gravity stuff. And literally in the chapter Yuki creates a Black Hole. Why we would assume that its some uknown gravity manip, instead of direct statement in chapter about Black Hole?
With what she would pull Kenjaku other than Black Hole?

Brother, everything with mass has gravity and the more mass one has the stronger the force of gravity between it and other objects. Yuki was continually adding a shit ton of mass to herself so obviously the gravity her body caused would become stronger, she doesn't need to be a black hole for that to happen

 

[MrTayman616]

Gojo's the worst example since he literally can output any amount.

Dude, change Gojo and put anyone else. Also if anything, putting Gojo works better :d

What??? I don't even get the disagreement at this point.

Yuki doesnt have any gravity stuff. And literally in the chapter Yuki creates a Black Hole. Why we would assume that its some uknown gravity manip, instead of direct statement in chapter about Black Hole?
With what she would pull Kenjaku other than Black Hole?

Bro do you know what gravity is?

She increases her mass.

 

[Electronic74947]

In the manga it only changes when he uses his beams

Anime was helped with by Gege. Also people forget that only stated CT’s that are inefficient with CE are infinity and creation. The others can last a while, hence why todo spams his.

Machamaru’s CT is puppetry so it is done via his CE anyways

 

[Electronic74947]

She increases her mass.

mASS

 

[Giannysmag]

Anime was helped with by Gege. Also people forget that only stated CT’s that are inefficient with CE are infinity and creation. The others can last a while, hence why todo spams his.

Machamaru’s CT is puppetry so it is done via his CE anyways

I just don't have anywhere to watch season 2 to check which is why I brought up the manga

 

[Electronic74947]

I just don't have anywhere to watch season 2 to check which is why I brought up the manga

Call me Luffy, cause your about to join my crew

 

[Giannysmag]

Call me Luffy, cause your about to join my crew

I am deathly afraid of getting malwhare so I stopped going on piracy sites

 

[Electronic74947]

I am deathly afraid of getting malwhare so I stopped going on piracy sites

lol

 

[MrTayman616]

I am deathly afraid of getting malwhare so I stopped going on piracy sites

Bro it takes skill to get a virus at this point.

 

[Arkenis]

A calc can be mathematically correct and still plain wrong too if the calcer is calcing something that didn't actually happen.

Then disagree with the calc in the calc blog. Not here. A calc gets accepted and used in scaling, we don't disagree with the calc in a crt for scaling after the calcs already been accepted. I see countless times of other verses calcs be accepted then someone disagrees and a crt for the calc has to be done.

No one says the values are wrong, but the info.

Well then you have to wait for people who accepted and calced it.

To add to this, we know from the databooks that Muta was 17 when he died and his birthaday was on October 4 meaning he would be exactly 17 years and 15 days old when he fought Mahito (October 19) so it cannot be just how long he has lived

This makes no sense. Ya just disagreeing with Gege atp

 

[Giannysmag]

Bro it takes skill to get a virus at this point.

I know its mostly irrational fear but I've gotten redirected to sketchy sites too many times (usually cause I forgot to turn on adblock) for my ocd riddled brain to handle so I just gave up

This makes no sense. Ya just disagreeing with Gege atp

Greg wrote the databook too tho

 

[MrTayman616]

Well then you have to wait for people who accepted and calced it.

...Why? It's not about the calc at all. The one who checks the calc isn't omniscient about the manga where he's supposed to know if it was a black hole at that point or anything.

Also... why? Then why even make a CRT? Just to hear people say "agree" or to tell them "wait for calc discussion"?

This makes no sense. Ya just disagreeing with Gege atp

No? If anything, it's more logical and understandable.

Something impossible or something logical and seems suitable based on how the robot works, i can choose it with my eyes closed.

 

[Electronic74947]

Disagree with mountain level

Told you

 

[Arkenis]

Also... why? Then why even make a CRT? Just to hear people say "agree" or to tell them "wait for calc discussion"?

Discuss scaling.

No? If anything, it's more logical and understandable.

Something impossible or something logical and seems suitable based on how the robot works, i can choose it with my eyes closed.

No you're just disagreeing with stated numbers. You have no argument for why the number is wrong.

Greg wrote the databook too tho

Yeah?

 

[Damage3245]

...Why? It's not about the calc at all. The one who checks the calc isn't omniscient about the manga where he's supposed to know if it was a black hole at that point or anything.

Also... why? Then why even make a CRT? Just to hear people say "agree" or to tell them "wait for calc discussion"?

Yeah. If the calc was already in use on the profiles, then a CRT would be needed to get it removed. But this is the CRT to add it in the first place, and people can point out criticisms for it.

 

[Electronic74947]

Yeah. If the calc was already in use on the profiles, then a CRT would be needed to get it removed. But this is the CRT to add it in the first place, and people can point out criticisms for it.

While your here can you give your opinion on which mechamaru calc we should use?

 

[Giannysmag]

Yeah?

Yeah

 

[MrTayman616]

Discuss scaling.

Not makes sense + sure that's not how it works either. A calc can get rejected, not because the "calc" is wrong, simply to not get added because of it calculating the wrong thing.

No you're just disagreeing with stated numbers. You have no argument for why the number is wrong.

No one says it doesn't say "17 years" there.

 

[Keshirou]

Yuki already pulling light. No reason to say that its not a Black Hole.
LITERALLY FROM THE 1ST SCAN WE SEE LIGHT IS PULLING

 

[MrTayman616]

Yuki already pulling light. No reason to say that its not a Black Hole.
LITERALLY FROM THE 1ST SCAN WE SEE LIGHT IS PULLING

Not sure that's how "pulling light" would look like.

 

[Arkenis]

No one says it doesn't say "17 years" there.

Then I'm not understanding how you're disagreeing with the stated amount. Is there anything to say it's not 17yr amount of ce?

 

[Giannysmag]

Yuki already pulling light. No reason to say that its not a Black Hole.
LITERALLY FROM THE 1ST SCAN WE SEE LIGHT IS PULLING

FTL Kenny we are so back

 

[Arkenis]

Not sure that's how "pulling light" would look like.

How would it look? Why does this even matter? Majority of depictions of how physics works in fiction are wrong. These disagreements are not contesting the calc.

 

[MrTayman616]

Then I'm not understanding how you're disagreeing with the stated amount. Is there anything to say it's not 17yr amount of ce?

17 years of cursed energy. But this is based on the robot.

This wouldn't scale to Mechamaru's total cursed energy * 17 years. The robot can last 17 years with this energy but doesn't mean that's 17 years of Mechamaru's total.

Also that's not the only reason, assumption of cursed energy output of his attack being worth a second of cursed energy itself is wrong.

How would it look? Why does this even matter? Majority of depictions of how physics works in fiction are wrong. These disagreements are not contesting the calc.

Yeah, so let's ignore everything wrong

 

[Epyriel]

Yuki doesnt have any gravity stuff. And literally in the chapter Yuki creates a Black Hole. Why we would assume that its some uknown gravity manip, instead of direct statement in chapter about Black Hole?
With what she would pull Kenjaku other than Black Hole?

It is not “some unknown gravity manip” it is literally just the same principle - increased density leading to increased gravity, just nowhere near the level of reaching the required density to form a black hole yet.

Yuki already pulling light. No reason to say that its not a Black Hole.
LITERALLY FROM THE 1ST SCAN WE SEE LIGHT IS PULLING

None of that shows any hard evidence of light being pulled.

 

[Passersby]

so i came here to contest the mechamaru calc, as it's honestly bullshit with just a cursory glance at its premises but seeing as people already did the job for me, imma just stick to calling this out

Majority of depictions of how physics works in fiction are wrong. These disagreements are not contesting the calc.

copy paste from that annoying one punch man thread

i never denied any of the supernatural feats happening in verse because we see them happening, i said your logic for scaling and your interpreation is faulty because it falls under minor scrutiny and it basically ignores physics to get a desired result that was never even proven to be, to say that again, i never denied the supernatural properties that exists in the verse just because they can't logically happen, a character's capabilities are informed by the scope of their settings, there's room for supernatural things, that I never denied, you're arguing with mid air, FTL travel and magic are both of these, they're allowable by the nature of what fiction is, for example in the garou vs flashy flash and platinium sperm fight we're given an explicit timeframe in which the events happened in so we know they're faster than litght, we can therefore conclude that Garou can go faster than light in an atmosphere without causing the relveant side effects that such a movement speed would imply, we don't know how he does it, but he does, that can never be denied

That doesn't mean you can't calculate either of these phenomena, a calculation should have predictive value, you need to build a hypothesis, find evidence , and quantify it,quantifying said evidence requires a frame of reference for it be meaningful, which is physics and, said frame of reference is applicable unless otherwise noted by the story, setting, or characters within, if the calculation and assumptions falls apart under minor scrutiny the base assumptions or conclusions provided are most likely flawed , which is the case here, you're just making up whatever interpretation to try and justify the event based on what you want them to be-that won't make it anymore valid,You can't prove it, you've got no justification for it and you're randomly deciding that it's true and working your way backwards from there to justify it, which isn't exactly how it works, that's circular and insane

 

[GunshyFever]

Finally some JJK upgrades, love to see it. Waiting for some more comments and insight.

 

[Arkenis]

17 years of cursed energy. But this is based on the robot.

This wouldn't scale to Mechamaru's total cursed energy * 17 years. The robot can last 17 years with this energy but doesn't mean that's 17 years of Mechamaru's total.

Also that's not the only reason, assumption of cursed energy output of his attack being worth a second of cursed energy itself is wrong.

Based on the robot which is using his accumulated ce. It's not "Mechamaru's total cursed energy * 17 years", it's how much he accumulated.

Yeah, so let's ignore everything wrong

No, let's not nitpick things like a complex physics phenomenon in fiction to dismiss a verse's scaling lmao.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Finally some JJK upgrades, love to see it. Waiting for some more comments and insight.

 

[Arkenis]

copy paste from that annoying one punch man thread

So what Cursed Energy defies physics. Is that not enough?

 

[MrTayman616]

So what Cursed Energy defies physics. Is that not enough?

Mass doesn't.

Also that's not the only problem, Yuki was able to resist it at the first scans, meaning it was below her resistance there, which it doesn't make sense as she claims she can't resist to black hole levels.

Further showing it wasn't at those levels yet.

 

[Passersby]

So what Cursed Energy defies physics. Is that not enough?

you basically said nothing

yeah, of course it does,but you're trying to measure a phenomenon it causes using physical formulas that are inherently tied to real-world physics. To do that, you're forming a hypothesis about what this phenomenon is and relying on a set of premises that are fundamentally necessary for the hypothesis to be valid, and then going off of that to quanitfy a certain value using those premises as a foundation.


when the premises prove to be flawed, the hypothesis is also flawed, and thus the calc is invalid

you don't really get to handwave that by "fiction does magical bullshit so anything goes."

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

Yuki my beloved becoming a csm slayer fr

 

[MrTayman616]

Meme is ready in case the CRT fails.

 

[Saqphire]

Yeah after reading through this, I disagree with the calcs aswell unfortunately. Also yes, Yuki's black hole is a black hole via narrative intent and the very blatant showcases of black hole properties

Should've went for the 5-B scaling tbh

 

[Arkenis]

Mass doesn't.

Also that's not the only problem, Yuki was able to resist it at the first scans, meaning it was below her resistance there, which it doesn't make sense as she claims she can't resist to black hole levels.

Further showing it wasn't at those levels yet.

She can create a BH and then increase its mass and that be the BH which she can't resist. No issue there.

yeah, of course it does,but you're trying to measure a phenomenon it causes using physical formulas that are inherently tied to real-world physics. To do that, you're forming a hypothesis about what this phenomenon is and relying on a set of premises that are fundamentally necessary for the hypothesis to be valid, and then going off of that to quanitfy a certain value using those premises as a foundation.

Yeah so does almost every damn power system. What is even being argued???

you don't really get to handwave that by "fiction does magical bullshit so anything goes."

We literally do all the time. But I don't even think you're addressing anything atp. All I did was bring up CE defying physics to show her BH pulling light is fine. This was more to do with him saying the depiction of it wouldn't look like that.

 

[Epyriel]

Also yes, Yuki's black hole is a black hole via narrative intent and the very blatant showcases of black hole properties

The argument isn’t that she doesn’t form a black hole, but rather that she isn’t already a black hole while still monologuing to Kenjaku while still actively ramping up her technique.