Need help revamping block tales

So after playing block tales i decided to check the wiki because i was curious on its scaling. Unfortunately the verse page seems to have disappeared and the only thing here was an outdated page for the player. I decided i'd scale the verse myself(currently making a page for the player) and found some feats that seem to have alot of potential however i need someone to calc them (i don't feel like calcing them).

Cruel king makes a mountain spanning snowstorm: The ice king is implied to have used the ice dagger to cause a massive snowstorm in roadtown. The interesting thing about this is that in the objective page at 40:32 we can see the mountain that roadtown is on is covered in snow and if you look at the backround you can see other mountains covered as well.

Red and blue make a crater offscreen: The crator looks fairly massive and was implied to be caused by red and blue fighting shedletsky offscreen.

uncharged dynamite explosion 1: although this is chapter 2 because the dynamite used here isn't being charged i figured it would be ok to use since it should scale to the player in chapter 1

uncharged dynamite explosion 2:

The player dodges an ice explosion: lots of movement here. Could definitely see this qualifying for beyond baseline supersonic.



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[Johner2133451]

I think these should be moved to calc requests

 

[Johner2133451]

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[AthelChan]

ask on calc evaluation requests for this one ngl...

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I think these should be moved to calc requests

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Ok, thanks i'll just copy and paste the thread there then.

 

[AppleMaker]

So after playing block tales i decided to check the wiki because i was curious on its scaling. Unfortunately the verse page seems to have disappeared and the only thing here was an outdated page for the player. I decided i'd scale the verse myself(currently making a page for the player) and found some feats that seem to have alot of potential however i need someone to calc them (i don't feel like calcing them).

Cruel king makes a mountain spanning snowstorm: The ice king is implied to have used the ice dagger to cause a massive snowstorm in roadtown. The interesting thing about this is that in the objective page at 40:32 we can see the mountain that roadtown is on is covered in snow and if you look at the backround you can see other mountains covered as well.

Red and blue make a crater offscreen: The crator looks fairly massive and was implied to be caused by red and blue fighting shedletsky offscreen.

uncharged dynamite explosion 1: although this is chapter 2 because the dynamite used here isn't being charged i figured it would be ok to use since it should scale to the player in chapter 1

uncharged dynamite explosion 2:

The player dodges an ice explosion: lots of movement here. Could definitely see this qualifying for beyond baseline supersonic.



Anyone available?

Well, I have some problems with those feats. First of all - it was confirmed that Red and Blue weren't the ones who injured Shedletsky and made that crator, so I doubt it would aply to MC from chapter 1. Best feats of destruction in this chapter are limited to breaking branches with a sword, that could be 9c or baseline 9b. Second problem - dynamite is a game mechanic, so I don't think it would apply to player, unless he takes damage from said dynamite (I haven't checked this myself, since I tried to die as less as possible)

 

[AppleMaker]

Best feats of destruction in this chapter are limited to breaking branches with a sword, that could be 9c or baseline 9b

Nevermind, I forgot that he destroyed a huge living statues, so it's clearly 9b ap, possibly higher

 

[IDK3465]

Second problem - dynamite is a game mechanic, so I don't think it would apply to player, unless he takes damage from said dynamite (I haven't checked this myself, since I tried to die as less as possible)

Actually, while the player themselves can’t get hit by their own dynamite, their physicals should still scale due to being able to harm enemies that can take the player’s dynamite explosions point-blank.

The times we see it destroy stone will probably put it at around 9-A

 

[AppleMaker]

Actually, while the player themselves can’t get hit by their own dynamite, their physicals should still scale due to being able to harm enemies that can take the player’s dynamite explosions point-blank.

Okay, that makes sense

 

[AppleMaker]

Also I'm planning to make CRT of Block tales, since I recently got more free time and I have some problems with Delusionaltx2's calcs. Should I post it in Roblox discussions or make it a separate post?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Aint no way this thread got traction after I was about to request this to be closed

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Well, I have some problems with those feats. First of all - it was confirmed that Red and Blue weren't the ones who injured Shedletsky and made that crator,

That's partially true. Campy confirmed shed was fighting someone else then fought red and blue but never said the person that shed fought before was the one that made the crator.

It would still be assumed to be red and blue since they were the ones implied to have fought him there.

so I doubt it would aply to MC from chapter 1. Best feats of destruction in this chapter are limited to breaking branches with a sword, that could be 9c or baseline 9b.

Ehhh there's bombs as well

Second problem - dynamite is a game mechanic, so I don't think it would apply to player, unless he takes damage from said dynamite (I haven't checked this myself, since I tried to die as less as possible)

Dynamite isn't a game mechanic??? They literally have it as its own card move

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Actually, while the player themselves can’t get hit by their own dynamite, their physicals should still scale due to being able to harm enemies that can take the player’s dynamite explosions point-blank.

The times we see it destroy stone will probably put it at around 9-A

Already have scans for this but we need the feats to get calced

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Also I'm planning to make CRT of Block tales, since I recently got more free time and I have some problems with Delusionaltx2's calcs. Should I post it in Roblox discussions or make it a separate post?

funny, i'm currently making a player profile for block tales actually

Delusionaltx2/Sandbox

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Currently taking a break so I don't rush stuff but feel free to look at it (I was planning on continuing)

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Actually, while the player themselves can’t get hit by their own dynamite, their physicals should still scale due to being able to harm enemies that can take the player’s dynamite explosions point-blank.

The times we see it destroy stone will probably put it at around 9-A

Ehh back then I thought it was possible to scale dynamite explosions to earlier chapters because when used by the player against enemies you have to charge it but with how weapons and stuff work in block tales it being uncharged might not mean anything so if this get calced I feel possibly would be a good bet.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Anyways if anyone feels like working on block tales i'm open to reciving help since i've been tasked with working on this myself this whole time

 

[AppleMaker]

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From the start I can see that LS doesn't work that way. MC being able to damage someone with a ball is either a game mechanic or KE (basically mc throws a ball fast enough to damage his opps), so no, you should use other feats to scale lifting strength, like - mc being able to push large boxes in some puzzles

 

[Delusionaltx2]

From the start I can see that LS doesn't work that way.

Vsbw allows throwing feats for LS

MC being able to damage someone with a ball is either a game mechanic

No? Game mechanics are in game limitations applied outside the authors story for the sake of making the game functional

in lore ur literally just this strong, it would be the same as any other throwing feat

or KE (basically mc throws a ball fast enough to damage his opps),

1. The ball does not appear that fast from their pov, nor does the speed change from ur pov the entire game
2. Mc can literally react to the ball
3. Other characters can fight the mc with certain characters being able to deflect the ball outright

so no, you should use other feats to scale lifting strength, like - mc being able to push large boxes in some puzzles

no, those are the bare minimum and would also need to be calced which takes time

 

[AppleMaker]

Vsbw allows throwing feats for LS

No? Game mechanics are in game limitations applied outside the authors story for the sake of making the game functional

in lore ur literally just this strong, it would be the same as any other throwing feat

Well, it's still needs some calcs and calc team member approval, and I'm not sure they would accept that but idk

1. The ball does not appear that fast from their pov, nor does the speed change from ur pov the entire game
2. Mc can literally react to the ball
3. Other characters can fight the mc with certain characters being able to deflect the ball outright

1. When character is fast enough to dodge bullets and (arguably) lightning/laser beams, of course it won't look like a big deal
2. Basically his throwing speed = his reaction speed
3. I remember only Captain Trotter was able to do that, also some opponents were able to be unharmed by ball throw but it most likely because of defense/durability

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Well, it's still needs some calcs and calc team member approval, and I'm not sure they would accept that but idk

Not really, we know they can throw them with enough force to harm those comparable to their ap so we just scale it to that

1. When character is fast enough to dodge bullets and (arguably) lightning/laser beams, of course it won't look like a big deal

1. Cannonballs can move at like subsonic speeds when backed up with just wall+ lvl force if we're assuming KE then this should be moving way faster since the KE is like more than trillions of times greater.

2. Basically his throwing speed = his reaction speed
3. I remember only Captain Trotter was able to do that, also some opponents were able to be unharmed by ball throw but it most likely because of defense/durability

2 the ball doesn't demonstrate the properties ke would such as at least breaking the sound barrier so its unlikely the speed is that fast

3. Other bossess can do that albeit with status balls (which doesn't matter since their shown to move at the same speed as the normal ones)

 

[IDK3465]

Vsbw allows throwing feats for LS

in lore ur literally just this strong, it would be the same as any other throwing feat

1. The ball does not appear that fast from their pov, nor does the speed change from ur pov the entire game
2. Mc can literally react to the ball
3. Other characters can fight the mc with certain characters being able to deflect the ball outright

no, those are the bare minimum and would also need to be calced which takes time

Even though throwing feats are usable for LS, using those methods to calculate it are unreliable because

1. Calc stacking, can’t use a completely unrelated AP/Dura feat to use within another calc
2. The ball is never shown to move in-tandem with any other projectiles, so assuming they can is just plain false.

Again, the more reliable feat would just be to calculate the mass of the boxes in the puzzles, as that doesn’t require as much assumptions

 

[AppleMaker]

Also I have some problems with godly regeneration tiering. Isn't MC just fighting his own "inner demons" in chapter 3, and not the ones which affect everyone on conceptual level? Imo yes, they have regen, on low-high/mid-high level, but godly is kinda stretch. Also idk if it was added or not, but it definitely grants him Non-physical interaction, limited Empathic manipulation, abstract existence (since he was able to fight those things while being dead physically) and possibly supernatural willpower

 

[AppleMaker]

I mean, those things most likely wouldn't comeback after being erased in one aspect, they are just gone after being defeated (unless Nirvana counts as a comeback for Hatred) and they couldn't be killed by anyone other than MC and someone he calls (like King, Brad, Red and Blue, Calypso and gorilla) since nobody have Non-physical interaction besides them. So there's barely any proof that those things would comeback after being erased conceptually/spiritually

 

[AppleMaker]

What do you think of it @IDK3465?

 

[IDK3465]

What do you think of it @IDK3465?

Yeah, I pretty much agree with what you said.

Hatred, Greed, and Fear are really just the embodiments of the player’s own inner demons, so attributing High-godly negation to the player doesn’t make sense as said regen (if it even is a thing the inner demons are capable of) is directly reliant on the player.

Also, the player themselves wouldn’t get AE, just the demons (AE2 - Mental/Conceptual Type 3 to be specific)

 

[AppleMaker]

Also, the player themselves wouldn’t get AE, just the demons (AE2 - Mental/Conceptual Type 3 to be specific)

I assumed that MC had this since he basically was able to fight those demons and comeback after that. I may be wrong though, just thought that without some form of immortality/abstract existence character just would have died without possibility to comeback

 

[IDK3465]

I assumed that MC had this since he basically was able to fight those demons and comeback after that. I may be wrong though, just thought that without some form of immortality/abstract existence character just would have died without possibility to comeback

I mean, in order to qualify for AE you need to at the bear minimum stem from/exist as something abstract and it just wouldn’t make sense for the player to represent themself in that way.

I’m not an expert on this sort of stuff tho, so I’d recommend asking someone more knowledgeable in regards to AE and CM, I can easily just be dumb tbh

 

[IDK3465]

Oh, and another thing that I have a problem with about the blog is that I really don’t think the Ghostwalker should scale to the dream world

There’s just simply no real indication that it directly created it or contained it. If anything, it probably just mentally/spiritually BFR’d the player into the dream world. So, yeah, the player would probably just upscale from 7-B.

 

[AppleMaker]

Oh, and another thing that I have a problem with about the blog is that I really don’t think the Ghostwalker should scale to the dream world

There’s just simply no real indication that it directly created it or contained it. If anything, it probably just mentally/spiritually BFR’d the player into the dream world. So, yeah, the player would probably just upscale from 7-B.

I think it could be scaled to that, but I don't think dream world is planetary. I think it upgrades MC to some higher tiers since after that chapter he was able to fight with Great Flocci, treasure guardian and ancient god. So I'm sure Ghostwalker amped him a lot

 

[AppleMaker]

Also didn't Builderman/Hatred stated that you and him were sealed into Ghostwalker?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Even though throwing feats are usable for LS, using those methods to calculate it are unreliable because

1. Calc stacking, can’t use a completely unrelated AP/Dura feat to use within another calc
2. The ball is never shown to move in-tandem with any other projectiles, so assuming they can is just plain false.

Again, the more reliable feat would just be to calculate the mass of the boxes in the puzzles, as that doesn’t require as much assumptions

I guess I could see your point but then there's still blocking which is much easier to use

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Also I have some problems with godly regeneration tiering. Isn't MC just fighting his own "inner demons" in chapter 3, and not the ones which affect everyone on conceptual level? Imo yes, they have regen, on low-high/mid-high level, but godly is kinda stretch.

I already explained this in the mental world blog.

Simply put, Mental world isn't limited to the mc. It's a place you go after getting ghostwalker'd that just happens to be Mental and spiritual in nature.

Lost souls and such are also shown to exist in mental world which contradicts the idea that it's subjective

Also idk if it was added or not, but it definitely grants him Non-physical interaction, limited Empathic manipulation, abstract existence (since he was able to fight those things while being dead physically) and possibly supernatural willpower

most of that is true (and on the pf) but they don't gain AE

I probably should add supernatural willpower but I forgot so thx for reminding me

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Oh, and another thing that I have a problem with about the blog is that I really don’t think the Ghostwalker should scale to the dream world

There’s just simply no real indication that it directly created it or contained it. If anything, it probably just mentally/spiritually BFR’d the player into the dream world. So, yeah, the player would probably just upscale from 7-B.

No, hatred implies its within the ghostwalker sword

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I think it could be scaled to that, but I don't think dream world is planetary. I think it upgrades MC to some higher tiers since after that chapter he was able to fight with Great Flocci, treasure guardian and ancient god. So I'm sure Ghostwalker amped him a lot

Did you guys read the blog explaining why it's planet lvl?

Some block tales explations

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Ik i linked the crt but that's a copy and paste of the blog post that I moved once i realized nobody would look at it.

 

[IDK3465]

Also didn't Builderman/Hatred stated that you and him were sealed into Ghostwalker?

No, hatred implies its within the ghostwalker sword

Well in that case, disregard what I said earlier, the scaling should be ok

 

[AppleMaker]

Well, day and night existence inside Ghostwalker is the most valid proof of it being planetary and some statements about it being a world is kinda backing that up, but creation of clouds is rarely scales that high. I remember Stolas once changed the sky and clouds in one episode and it got scaled only to high 7a. Also don't forget that Earth is considered low 5b most of the times

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Well, day and night existence inside Ghostwalker is the most valid proof of it being planetary and some statements about it being a world is kinda backing that up, but creation of clouds is rarely scales that high. I remember Stolas once changed the sky and clouds in one episode and it got scaled only to high 7a.

the sky was used to prove they have a similar atmosphere to our own since a character can gain lightning based abilities from an event that would realistically cause lightning.

Also don't forget that Earth is considered low 5b most of the times

Wasn't earth listed as an example for planetary/5-B?

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[Delusionaltx2]

Well in that case, disregard what I said earlier, the scaling should be ok

Alright then

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Just a question tho, are you guys still interested in scaling block tales?

 

[IDK3465]

Well, day and night existence inside Ghostwalker is the most valid proof of it being planetary and some statements about it being a world is kinda backing that up, but creation of clouds is rarely scales that high. I remember Stolas once changed the sky and clouds in one episode and it got scaled only to high 7a. Also don't forget that Earth is considered low 5b most of the times

Doesn’t a day-night cycle imply the existence of a sun? Wouldn’t that put the dream world at 4-C?

Also, because we’re talking about a creation/reality warping feat, we’d use GBE, so it would be 5-B if it does indeed contain a planet