The Force vs The Tri-Force (Star Wars vs The Legend of Zelda)

[AmonInChains]

LINK VS DARTH VADER
Ocarina of Time & Original Trilogy profiles being used
Link scales to 24 Zettatons & 8.42 billion metric Tons
Vader scales to at least 47.37 Zettatons & baseline Class G Tons
Speed =, so Vader has an advantage of 11x movement speed
SBA
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Link:
Vader:
Incon:

 

[Chariot190]

Interesting.

Doesn't Vader have dumb af mindhax tho.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Pretty sure currently accepted Star Wars mind hax is both layered and in the 9 digit range.

 

[Chariot190]

The only thing I can see working is maybe ToC protects that. I mean it probably does that shit has some smurf protection to it, but I don't think it's ever been used against mindhax specifically so would be a tad NLF.

The best mindhax feat in Zelda also isn't that high, tho it is layered, kinda.

 

[TegamiBachi25]

We seriously need to make an announcement for users to stop using SW profiles...

Link's power null and attack reflection is going to do jack shit since the Force is in everything and everywhere, so TK shenanigans are viable, though Vader starts with CQC. His arrows are going to be noped with force amps, tutaminis, or force barriers, or vader can simply redirect every projectile back with the Force.

How is link also going to touch Vader with vader having combat precog? Sealing isn't going to work since the clip shows under it seems that link must touch Vader to seal him away.

 

[Ebihara]

We seriously need to make an announcement for users to stop using SW profiles...

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[DaReaperMan]

Problem with Vader is he tends to force choke fodders, and seeing as the Master Sword is no lightsaber and Link is at an AP disadvantage it just crushes his windpipe like paper.

Not to mention Vader has the better weapon, skill, AND abilities to win.

 

[AmonInChains]

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Problem with Vader is he tends to force choke fodders, and seeing as the Master Sword is no lightsaber and Link is at an AP disadvantage it just crushes his windpipe like paper.

AP disadvantage, but the LS gap is a whole class to Link's favor

 

[DaReaperMan]

AP disadvantage, but the LS gap is a whole class to Link's favor

LS only helps link deal with if Vader picked him up and started throwing him around, it does NOT help his windpipe or throat becoming solid mass because Vader crushed them.

 

[AmonInChains]

I mean, the Force Choke (as listed on the profile) only works by Telekinesis, which is Class G

Force Choke: Possibly his most used technique, he applies his telekinesis to crush an opponent's throat (or other body parts if he chooses). Usually used to kill insubordinate underlings. Interestingly it only requires line of sight to use, as Vader displayed over several kilometers the ability to Force Choke Imperial Officers such as Admiral Ozzel.

Link's tensile strength should be enough to withstand it

 

[DaReaperMan]

I mean, the Force Choke (as listed on the profile) only works by Telekinesis, which is Class G

Link's tensile strength should be enough to withstand it

Tensile Strength=/=Lifting Strength.

Shit is much different, you'd need to see someone trying to tear link apart and failing to prove tensile strength.

 

[AmonInChains]

Tensile Strength=/=Lifting Strength.

True, but I thought the wiki listed them as equals

 

[DaReaperMan]

True, but I thought the wiki listed them as equals

There's actually nothing noted specifically for Tensile Strength lol

 

[Chariot190]

Link's profile is ultra outdated too, he actually has a fuckton of shit like actual invulnerability that lasts a whole minute mostly in MM tho, OOT LInk is actually pretty honest outside of a few abilities, MM Link is gonna be an actual menace, dude has canon Type 8 and a bunch of instant win options.
Like lil bro is def being undersold here, but I don't see a way past that mindhax without NLF so eh.

Link's tensile strength should be enough to withstand it

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Though, Force TK also scales to AP I think so....
Also force choking ISN'T tensile strength, it's compressive strength, aka the same type of shit your body would take from a punch. Tensile is more ripping.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Link's profile is ultra outdated too, he actually has a fuckton of shit like actual invulnerability that lasts a whole minute mostly in MM tho, OOT LInk is actually pretty honest outside of a few abilities, MM Link is gonna be an actual menace, dude has canon Type 8 and a bunch of instant win options.
Like lil bro is def being undersold here, but I don't see a way past that mindhax without NLF so eh.

Vader very rarely uses mindhax. Like, it's bordering on last resort levels of rare, and he certainly wouldn't use it on someone who has no defense against Force Choke or getting stabbed with a Lightsaber. He doesn't bother with the effort, he likes lightsaber combat and TK. I guess he also throws electricity balls occaisonally too, but those normally come out against people he knows.

Basically, it's a poor idea to use Vader in matches in general unless he's at a solid AP disadvantage, cause if he ain't Force Choke is more like Force Crush.

 

[Chariot190]

Vader very rarely uses mindhax. Like, it's bordering on last resort levels of rare, and he certainly wouldn't use it on someone who has no defense against Force Choke or getting stabbed with a Lightsaber. He doesn't bother with the effort, he likes lightsaber combat and TK. I guess he also throws electricity balls occaisonally too, but those normally come out against people he knows.

Basically, it's a poor idea to use Vader in matches in general unless he's at a solid AP disadvantage, cause if he ain't Force Choke is more like Force Crush.

How hot is a Lightsaber?

Well it doesn't actually matter given Link's profile don't got heat res yet, and thinking on it, I don't think actually scales to Fire Arrows (Ganon and Majora do tho, in which those things have 3 routes of million degree heat scaling) unless you ******* scale Link off MM's heat ray, which is stupid because he canonically can't fight MM without FD with it being said that by himself the fight is completely impossible to win. Which would only make his heat res like, next best thing, about 5k with Goron Tunic.

Link does have faes, in fact he in character stated to always like to have at least 2 on him, and they can revive from everything from electrocution, being burned alive, drowning, stabbed, actual death manip, and even crushed, (and even stuff like poison, or if ya count BOTW/TOTK, even eating dogshit tasting food), but like, having 2-4 lives doesn't stop Vader from just doing it 5 times ig.

Naryu's Love would protect from that, but that eats up like half his mana, can only use it twice without resting or using potions, but if he has potions, he needs to trade a fae since he only has so many bottles.
Another reason why MM Link outmemes him, has ways to grant himself infinite stamina and magic for 72 hours.

Idk, Link probably has stuff that can sneak a win, but it sure af isn't on the current profile, and Vader being apart of the TK agenda makes it hard for Link to actually do anything. I can think of other Link's that would be better and at least two that would take Vader outback (assuming they actually have updated profiles, which they don't...), but OOT Link is pretty damn honest in terms of abilities, only really having some decent defensive like Nayryu and longevity options like faes and decent resistances to stop himself from getting haxed by some stuff, he doesn't have instant win buttons unless you're a ******* demon, and anything that would instant kill due to just sheer potency can be avoided like Ice Arrows by basically anyone.

 

[DaReaperMan]

How hot is a Lightsaber?

Well it doesn't actually matter given Link's profile don't got heat res yet, and thinking on it, I don't think actually scales to Fire Arrows (Ganon and Majora do tho, in which those things have 3 routes of million degree heat scaling) unless you ******* scale Link off MM's heat ray, which is stupid because he canonically can't fight MM without FD with it being said that by himself the fight is completely impossible to win. Which would only make his heat res like, next best thing, about 5k with Goron Tunic.

about 20K degrees Celcius. There's a couple 1 million celcius statements, but the more reasonable ones overwhelm the higher degree shit.

Link does have faes, in fact he in character stated to always like to have at least 2 on him, and they can revive from everything from electrocution, being burned alive, drowning, stabbed, actual death manip, and even crushed, (and even stuff like poison, or if ya count BOTW/TOTK, even eating dogshit tasting food), but like, having 2-4 lives doesn't stop Vader from just doing it 5 times ig.

Naryu's Love would protect from that, but that eats up like half his mana, can only use it twice without resting or using potions, but if he has potions, he needs to trade a fae since he only has so many bottles.
Another reason why MM Link outmemes him, has ways to grant himself infinite stamina and magic for 72 hours.

Idk, Link probably has stuff that can sneak a win, but it sure af isn't on the current profile, and Vader being apart of the TK agenda makes it hard for Link to actually do anything. I can think of other Link's that would be better and at least two that would take Vader outback (assuming they actually have updated profiles, which they don't...), but OOT Link is pretty damn honest in terms of abilities, only really having some decent defensive like Nayryu and longevity options like faes and decent resistances to stop himself from getting haxed by some stuff, he doesn't have instant win buttons unless you're a ******* demon, and anything that would instant kill due to just sheer potency can be avoided like Ice Arrows by basically anyone.

and the rest of this, yeah Link sort of gets dismantled via TK and melee, even if he'd pique Vader's interest by not dying when he's dead which MIGHT result in a swordfight, but that would basically result in having Vader crush him into a bloody clothy ball via a proper Force Crush the minute it gets tiresome... aka the second time he gets back up from a lethal attack.

 

[Arkansalter2]

So two outdated profiles. Cmon man.

 

[Chariot190]

So two outdated profiles. Cmon man.

IM TRYING.
Except unironically, my biggest wiki project isn't even JoJo, it's this goon's profile,
Actual hundreds of hours of footage, scans from everything from jap shit, archived jap websites, shit I had to personally buy because I couldn't find it online even on the deepest darkest corners like Shogakukan Majora's Mask guide, etc.

There's a lot of shit, especially when I secretly have to gather shit from AlttP, TP, and more because I need to flesh out his bitchass sword too, which has yap from a bunch of games, and the ToC too....
I'm like, halfway into TP atm gathering shit but I've been busy. I plan to drop it on Halloween tho for the vibes (it's technically a MM CRT, but MM Link is OOT Link so OOT as a whole gets shoved in) so got a bit of time to finish it.

Edit: It also wouldnt change much, I don't think he has a way past the TK and mindslop.

 

[Hypertornado099]

Problem with Vader is he tends to force choke fodders, and seeing as the Master Sword is no lightsaber and Link is at an AP disadvantage it just crushes his windpipe like paper.

Not to mention Vader has the better weapon, skill, AND abilities to win.

Vader prefers to use his lightsaber, in fact Palpatine has stated that Vader sometimes treats it as his only weapon. Tarkin has said he usually fights with his lightsaber, and prefers to use his Force powers offensively only if its needed. At times, he will resort to using his fists instead of the Force in situations where his lightsaber is ineffective. In situations where Vader knows he is able to overpower his opponent with the Force, he still prefers using his lightsaber

Link's sword would probably melt here, so I'm voting Vader

 

[Chariot190]

Link's sword would probably melt here, so I'm voting Vader

Master Sword isn't melting my dude, it's made of metal that upscales stuff that can withstand millions of degrees heat in no less than like 3 different feats.
Even just lower stuff, ACTUAL lightning heat is nothing, whether it's through Ruji, Lightning Blight, various dungeon bosses that use lightning, whatever, even basic hylian metals can be used as a constant conductor without heating up.

Honestly just the fact it's forged in the primordial flame of Din which is 100% above Dinraal has some implications, given Dinraal's flames exude enough passive heat that they can clear thunderstorms in seconds according to the pokedex.

But, I really doubt Vader is gonna sword duel him, longer than a few seconds. And Link can't do much against the force.

 

[Hypertornado099]

Even just lower stuff, ACTUAL lightning heat is nothing, whether it's through Ruji, Lightning Blight, various dungeon bosses that use lightning, whatever, even basic hylian metals can be used as a constant conductor without heating up.

IRL lightning doesn't always flash melt metal like Vader's lightsabers do. His lightsaber can melt through metal unaffected by lava. I don't even know if the lightning in Zelda is that hot. Link can withstand being hit by lightning attacks, and his heat resistance in BOTW ranges from "no sells heat that slowly melts large chunks of ice" to "affected by regular fires". It doesn't seem like being hit by lightning attacks increases his temperature shown in the bottom right

 

[Chariot190]

IRL lightning doesn't always flash melt metal like Vader's lightsabers do. His lightsaber can melt through metal unaffected by lava.

So can a lot of random heat slop in Zelda like Volvagia's fire breath being able to flash liquify large chunks of metals unaffected by magma that's hot enough to instant ash flesh and stuff.

I don't even know if the lightning in Zelda is that hot.

Well, you're wrong, idk what you want me to say here.

Link can withstand being hit by lightning attacks, and his heat resistance in BOTW ranges from "no sells heat that slowly melts large chunks of ice" to "affected by regular fires".

Link's heat res in BOTW is kinda mid af, it varies a bit like he can withstand intense heat that literally fries the counter just fine for a second or two (due to how hearts work, which btw are a canon thing), but prolonged exposure takes its toll, though he can amp it to stupidly huge degrees with fireproof elixirs and stuff.
But who gives a shit about Link in BOTW? We're talking about the Master Sword.

It doesn't seem like being hit by lightning attacks increases his temperature shown in the bottom right

There's no way you're real right now, it doesn't increase when struck by ACTUAL lightning either, even though said lightning will light things on fire, can turn shit to ash like wooden weapons, etc. It's legit REAL lightning why is this even a point of contention. Electricity in general doesn't effect the heat counter, only fire or ice based stuff, it's just how it's coded, even if an attack has heat behind it as evidenced by it burning or lighting things ablaze.

And that doesn't matter because I didn't even think about actual lightning when I said that, I even listed off examples of what I was thinking of. Like why ignore Dinraal? Something so hot its passive heat lights the area around it on fire, needs Lv2 heat armor to even go near (You only need lv1 to be unaffected by things that break the heat counter), can change the climate passively, etc. Let's not even get into metals that have straight up tanked shit like meteor impacts pointblank or whatever tf Fire Arrows cooking (this is relevant because Ganon's firemanip upscales directly).

And why even argue this, this is a stomp, Link legit can't get past the force memes, and when Vader can do that with a thought, even if the MS can clash with a lightsaber (which it can), as soon as Vader gets tired of it he instant wins.

 

[Hypertornado099]

But who gives a shit about Link in BOTW? We're talking about the Master Sword.

I said that because you used lightning in Zelda as an example of heat based attacks the Master Sword can withstand

There's no way you're real right now, it doesn't increase when struck by ACTUAL lightning either, even though said lightning will light things on fire, can turn shit to ash like wooden weapons, etc. It's legit REAL lightning why is this even a point of contention. Electricity in general doesn't effect the heat counter, only fire or ice based stuff, it's just how it's coded, even if an attack has heat behind it as evidenced by it burning or lighting things ablaze.

That's true

And that doesn't matter because I didn't even think about actual lightning when I said that, I even listed off examples of what I was thinking of. Like why ignore Dinraal? Something so hot its passive heat lights the area around it on fire, needs Lv2 heat armor to even go near (You only need lv1 to be unaffected by things that break the heat counter), can change the climate passively

To what extent does it affect the climate?

And why even argue this, this is a stomp, Link legit can't get past the force memes, and when Vader can do that with a thought, even if the MS can clash with a lightsaber (which it can), as soon as Vader gets tired of it he instant wins.

Vader isn't guaranteed to instantly kill his enemy with Force powers. He sometimes uses it to choke them, then continues fighting with his lightsaber, so its probably not a stomp

 

[Chariot190]

I said that because you used lightning in Zelda as an example of heat based attacks the Master Sword can withstand

Yeah? Not because of Link tho? But because metal and weapons straight up stated inferior to the MS can be used as conduits to lasting lightning charges (ACTUALLY thinking on it, in Skyward Sword, you LITERALLY use the Master Sword as a lightning rod, imbue it with lightning and yeet that lightning infused energy beam at Demise. He also does it with Ghirahim. Neither blade is effected despite holding onto that lightning and crackling with it for however long you want).

To what extent does it affect the climate?

Always makes it actively warm, subtropical temps and furthermore, even disperses the clouds, the weather will always become clear sky. I have some clips for calcs actually somewhere given the dex directly states it's caused by the fireballs around it. And then of course just getting close to it is hot enough to light Link on fire, burn his wooden weapons and it needs lv2 heat res to get close to (lv1 is like actual hell you instantly catch on fire and burn to death).

It will change the climate even if it was previous dick cold, or even in the middle of a massive thunderstorm that extends kilometers out past the horizon, and it does this in seconds (hence the calc, that cloud KE is gonna be meme).

Tbh this thing is stated to have some abstract embodiment of heat and fire yap so prob some decent scaling going on there too, but that doesn't matter.

Vader isn't guaranteed to instantly kill his enemy with Force powers. He sometimes uses it to choke them, then continues fighting with his lightsaber, so its probably not a stomp

Nah dude. The instant Link gets an edge, Vader will just use the force, and Link can't stop it, and Vader can do it with a thought.
Actual 0% of winning with current kit, his only bet is arrows, which lmao.
Vader just gonna yeet them back, and this Link DONT got the res to tank his own fire arrow given those bad boys can light Ganon's ass on fire, who UPSCALES WW Ganon, who can tank these OTHER fire arrows that can instantly thaw out a frozen over islands and keep it warm for 5m despite being supernaturally frozen. Same with ice arrows in that they can hurt Ganon (not freeze him tho), in which WW Ganon can shrug off ice arrows that instantly flash freeze erupting volcanos.
Could even wank it a bit and argue they can light Majora's Wrath on fire (who is unphased by a lunar impact that creates a fireball that annihilates the ******* planet), I wouldn't tho for the same reason as before.

So like, how is Link winning? If it was MM Link sure he's got some hax, but honest OOT Link's only real option, just gets turned against him, for the same reason he also loses whenever Vader wills it. Like there might be a fight, and the fight might last a bit, but it only lasts as long as Vader wants it to.

 

[Hypertornado099]

Actual 0% of winning with current kit, his only bet is arrows, which lmao.
Vader just gonna yeet them back, and this Link DONT got the res to tank his own fire arrow given those bad boys can light Ganon's ass on fire, who UPSCALES WW Ganon, who can tank these OTHER fire arrows that can instantly thaw out a frozen over islands and keep it warm for 5m despite being supernaturally frozen. Same with ice arrows in that they can hurt Ganon (not freeze him tho), in which WW Ganon can shrug off ice arrows that instantly flash freeze erupting volcanos.
Could even wank it a bit and argue they can light Majora's Wrath on fire (who is unphased by a lunar impact that creates a fireball that annihilates the ******* planet), I wouldn't tho for the same reason as before.

Good points, I vote stomp as well

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Vader prefers to use his lightsaber, in fact Palpatine has stated that Vader sometimes treats it as his only weapon. Tarkin has said he usually fights with his lightsaber, and prefers to use his Force powers offensively only if its needed. At times, he will resort to using his fists instead of the Force in situations where his lightsaber is ineffective. In situations where Vader knows he is able to overpower his opponent with the Force, he still prefers using his lightsaber

Link's sword would probably melt here, so I'm voting Vader

just saying it, the scans you show are disney canon Vader. Legends Vader has far more hax and abilities at his disposal besides TKing link into a pretzel.

 

[Hypertornado099]

just saying it, the scans you show are disney canon Vader. Legends Vader has far more hax and abilities at his disposal besides TKing link into a pretzel.

Like?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Like?

Electricity balls, the ability to pull Star Destroyers from the sky, a bunch of EU-Exclusive force powers, among other shit.

In Disney, yeah, Vader tends to use his lightsaber over everything else, in EU he TK ***** as a literal second resort lol

And in neither Canon, does Vader mind hax a *****.