Frieren: Beyond Journey’s End Speed and Environmental Destruction Update

[Epyriel]

Speed Revision​

Currently every character in the verse is scaled to the often called ‘speed of electricity in air’ off of lightning magic (from a calc of the step leader speed of an electric spark from a Tesla gun) which gives a pretty large range (and is rather contentious).

Seeing as we now have a Mach 7 calc accepted for Zoltraak (which also scales to everyone) I suggest we instead replace it with that.

• Serie: Average Human physically, Hypersonic with magic
• Frieren: Average Human physically, Hypersonic with magic
• Macht: Hypersonic
• Aura: Average Human physically, likely Hypersonic with magic
• Denken: Average Human physically, Hypersonic with magic
• Fern: Average Human physically, Hypersonic with magic
• Land: Average Human physically, likely Hypersonic with magic
• Übel: Hypersonic
• Stark: Hypersonic

(2:6) Agree: RitsuØ1, Zabazab, FinePoint, DarkDragonMedeus, BadSystems, Pearly0nsams, Chariot190, Shadow_x007x
(0:0) Disagree:
(0:0) Neutral:

Environmental Destruction Addition​

Macht and Frieren’s transmutation of the entire Golden Land now has an accepted calculation at Mountain level, however there is some debate over whether this should scale to AP generally. While I think there is a good argument to be made that it does, I shall wait for an NPES thread for Frieren’s magic system to be accepted first - so for now it will just be Environmental Destruction for Macht and Frieren.

• Frieren: Human level physically, Small Town level with magic; Mountain level with Environmental Destruction
• Macht: Small Town level; Mountain level with Environmental Destruction

(2:3) Agree: RitsuØ1, FinePoint, DarkDragonMedeus, Pearly0nsams, Shadow_x007x
(0:0) Disagree:
(0:0) Neutral:

 

[RitsuØ1]

Not a series expert, but it looks fine.

 

[FinePoint]

Why exactly do they all scale to each other?

 

[Epyriel]

Why exactly do they all scale to each other?

At minimum everyone with a profile has either dodged Zoltraak before or has kept up with someone who has.

This speed scaling is essentially already on the profiles, the only difference is switching Zoltraak for Judradjim, with Zoltraak being a more common magic.

 

[Zabazab]

I agree on speed.

 

[Chariot190]

Why exactly do they all scale to each other?

Theyve all fought each other at some point, or fought one who fought another.
To a degree.

Idk why Aura would scale, Fern is fast af and she fought Frieren like 100y prior before she had Zoltraak, not current Frieren.
Fern did fight her lackeys who Aura would be above, but said goon also died because he couldnt keep up with Fern's rate of fire. A weaker Fern at that who may or may not be equal to current.
Land is also sus tbh.

Id put Aura at likely tbh, like she prob is but theres no real proof, just vibe scaling.

 

[FinePoint]

At minimum everyone with a profile has either dodged Zoltraak before or has kept up with someone who has.

This speed scaling is essentially already on the profiles, the only difference is switching Zoltraak for Judradjim, with Zoltraak being a more common magic.

The speed is probably fine then.

The Environmental Destruction looks good too.

 

[Epyriel]

Theyve all fought each other at some point, or fought one who fought another.
To a degree.

Idk why Aura would scale, Fern is fast af and she fought Frieren like 100y prior before she had Zoltraak, not current Frieren.
Fern did fight her lackeys who Aura would be above, but said goon also died because he couldnt keep up with Fern's rate of fire. A weaker Fern at that who may or may not be equal to current.
Land is also sus tbh.

Id put Aura at likely tbh, like she prob is but theres no real proof, just vibe scaling.

That’s fair, was mostly just switching out what we already have on the profiles, but I can stick in a ‘likely’ for Aura and Land just to be on the safe side.

 

[FinePoint]

Id put Aura at likely tbh, like she prob is but theres no real proof, just vibe scaling.

I'm not knowledgeable, so I'll take your word for it.

It was my understanding they're already scaled on the profiles, though, is that true?

 

[RitsuØ1]

At minimum everyone with a profile has either dodged Zoltraak before or has kept up with someone who has.

This speed scaling is essentially already on the profiles, the only difference is switching Zoltraak for Judradjim, with Zoltraak being a more common magic.

Actually, I have a question after reading the profiles again.

Aura's profile:

Speed: Supersonic, possibly Hypersonic+ (Can keep up with mages)

Which leads to Frieren's profile.

Speed: Average Human with Supersonic+, possibly Hypersonic+ combat speed (Can utilize and track lightning magic, which should be as fast as electricity, as well as battle those who can react to it physically)

Speed Revision​

Seeing as we now have a Mach 7 calc accepted for Zoltraak (which also scales to everyone) I suggest we instead replace it with that.

• Frieren: Average Human physically, Hypersonic with magic
• Aura: Hypersonic

Wouldn't Average Human physically, likely Hypersonic be better?

 

[Epyriel]

Actually, I have a question after reading the profiles again.

Aura's profile:

Which leads to Frieren's profile.


Wouldn't Average Human physically, likely Hypersonic be better?

Hmm, I guess she has basically just shown magic-only feats thus far so I guess we can give her the mage treatment despite being a demon.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I share same thoughts as FinePoint

 

[BadSystems]

Hey this looks like a pretty familiar CRT... wonder if anyone else's looked at speed before...


Agree with that. Not sure about the point of the ED honestly. Can somebody epxlain futuher

 

[Pearly0nsams]

Everything seems fine I agree 7A Frieren is based

 

[Chariot190]

Speed fine btw bar what I mentioned.

As for ED ive noticed two minor calc fuckys so idk, that's more a calc issue thing than a if it's applicable for ED thing.

 

[Epyriel]

Not sure about the point of the ED honestly. Can somebody epxlain futuher

That is basically just the standard way of reporting creation (and transmutation) feats that don’t yet have an accepted common energy system.

 

[BadSystems]

That is basically just the standard way of reporting creation (and transmutation) feats that don’t yet have an accepted common energy system.

It's kinda ***** to me in concept but if it's accepted may as well I guess. Frieren scales for detransmuting El Dorado? Does that yield the same value?

 

[Epyriel]

It's kinda ***** to me in concept but if it's accepted may as well I guess. Frieren scales for detransmuting El Dorado? Does that yield the same value?

Yep, actually she should scale a bit higher since she transfigured the Golden Land after it had spread beyond the now shattered barrier, but I can’t really calc that since we never see its full extent (so I’ll have to wait for the anime to catch up).

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Agree with op

 

[Epyriel]

Grace has now passed, so I shall begin implementing the revisions.

 

[Epyriel]

Grace has now passed, so I shall begin implementing the revisions.

Finished, this thread can now be closed.

 

[FinePoint]

Finished, this thread can now be closed.

I will do so.