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Lord of the Rings Discussion Thread

Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
Will dwarves also have their physiology pages like elves?
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Well my next priority, whenever I get motivated, is to work on the Istari and the Nazgul at the same time.

Regarding the Dwarves, we only have 1 Dwarf profile at the moment so no. Overall, there also isn't as much to record, with it being something like:
  • Superhuman physique
  • Longevity
  • Magic (which few notable character use except historical ones since most of it is forgotten or half-remembered by the Hobbit. What is remembered is quite limited).
    • Sealing/Locking/Idk + Unlocking
    • Protection Magic (unknown what type) for chests and such
    • EM (not much, but Bilbo was enchanted by their song and felt their love for what they sang about... could honestly be flowery language through magic).
    • Light Manip (can weave light into items they craft)
    • Invisibility (can make things unseen until certain conditions)
    • Enchantings
    • Runes of Power... unknown again
    • etc
  • Resistance to Corruption and disease...
  • And I suppose Durin and the other Dwarf Fathers get non-combat reincarnation of up to 6 times following their original (for 7 Durins).
 
It's good to see a LOTR fan who knows what he's talking about regarding ASOIAF and doesn't bash GRRM (something many LOTR fans are experts at, some even do it in comments lmao):
 
Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
How strong was Aragorn compared to an average Númenórean btw?
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Pretty unknown.

Logically he should be weaker than many Númenórean warriors given his share of the blessing was far inferior to even the average citizen, and he part of the reason he is justified as "at most" scaling to the Witch-King (pre-RotK) is because Aragorn's share of the blessing was far above Steward Boromir I who is implied to be a warrior who was strong enough to make the Witch-King afraid.

But at the same time Aragorn was an immensely well trained and physically remarkable warrior and there are outliers for heroes and such.
 
Tyranno223 said:
But at the same time Aragorn was an immensely well trained and physically remarkable warrior and there are outliers for heroes and such.
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Wait, what are you talking about?

Also, given that Aragorn and Boromir have Numenorean blood, do they upscale to Hurin, who killed 70 trolls single-handedly, skillwise?
 
Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
Wait, what are you talking about?

Also, given that Aragorn and Boromir have Numenorean blood, do they upscale to Hurin, who killed 70 trolls single-handedly, skillwise?
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That's what I'm talking about for exceptions. Some First Age Heroes of humanity have performed feats that even those with Númenórean blood cannot, on average, replicate.

Boromir upscales to Gimli who is comparable to Thorin (as both are skilled but not particularly remarkable Dwarf warriors from the Line of Durin) and Thorin managed to harm the 3 trolls in the Hobbit (knocking a tooth out and poking out an eye with a flaming torch) but got overpowered by the trio. Hurin on the other hand kills 70 troll-guards of Gothmog the Lord of Balrogs. Granted the order was to capture him, but the same was with Thorin (and Boromir btw dents his sword trying to slash a troll, though presumably a blunt attack would do better).

Though could Aragorn do it? Maybe? He has the weapon for it and arguably the skill. If the conditions are the same, possibly? Granted any lore purist, including me outside of powerscaling discussions, would say no. But here, he has a solid chance.
 
Tyranno223 said:
That's what I'm talking about for exceptions. Some First Age Heroes of humanity have performed feats that even those with Númenórean blood cannot, on average, replicate.

Boromir upscales to Gimli who is comparable to Thorin (as both are skilled but not particularly remarkable Dwarf warriors from the Line of Durin) and Thorin managed to harm the 3 trolls in the Hobbit (knocking a tooth out and poking out an eye with a flaming torch) but got overpowered by the trio. Hurin on the other hand kills 70 troll-guards of Gothmog the Lord of Balrogs. Granted the order was to capture him, but the same was with Thorin (and Boromir btw dents his sword trying to slash a troll, though presumably a blunt attack would do better).

Though could Aragorn do it? Maybe? He has the weapon for it and arguably the skill. If the conditions are the same, possibly? Granted any lore purist, including me outside of powerscaling discussions, would say no. But here, he has a solid chance.
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Maybe Hurin is just built different
 
Yesterday I started The Silmarillion and finished Ainulindalë.
The beginning in the Timeless Halls is a bit difficult to understand, but from the moment the Ainur left for Ea I found it clearer.

If I understood correctly:
  • The Ainur created all the planets, stars, etc. in Ea, I guess over billions of years since the universe is that old irl (so there are probably alien life forms in the verse).
  • Then they took care of Arda, mainly Manwe, Ulmo and Aule (because air, water and earth of course), but Melkor wanted to make Arda his kingdom and he messed it up and Arda was on fire (as it was irl in the very beginning on Earth iirc).
  • Then Manwe and other Valar fought Melkor and the latter left Arda.
  • Then all the Valar on Arda took physical/visible form (meaning that the Valar and Melkor fought in their true forms before) and brought order to the planet.
  • Melkor saw them doing this and was jealous and angry. He also took a physical form (which was creepy because he's evil) like the other Valar, returned to Arda and once again messed up. He destroyed everything the Valar built and made war with them.
  • And because of Melkor, Arda wasn't as perfect and beautiful as the Valar had originally planned, but it was still decent and habitable for the Children of Iluvatar to arrive.

And the Ainulindalë ends with this.
 
Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
Yesterday I started The Silmarillion and finished Ainulindalë.
The beginning in the Timeless Halls is a bit difficult to understand, but from the moment the Ainur left for Ea I found it clearer.

If I understood correctly:
  • The Ainur created all the planets, stars, etc. in Ea, I guess over billions of years since the universe is that old irl (so there are probably alien life forms in the verse).
  • Then they took care of Arda, mainly Manwe, Ulmo and Aule (because air, water and earth of course), but Melkor wanted to make Arda his kingdom and he messed it up and Arda was on fire (as it was irl in the very beginning on Earth iirc).
  • Then Manwe and other Valar fought Melkor and the latter left Arda.
  • Then all the Valar on Arda took physical/visible form (meaning that the Valar and Melkor fought in their true forms before) and brought order to the planet.
  • Melkor saw them doing this and was jealous and angry. He also took a physical form (which was creepy because he's evil) like the other Valar, returned to Arda and once again messed up. He destroyed everything the Valar built and made war with them.
  • And because of Melkor, Arda wasn't as perfect and beautiful as the Valar had originally planned, but it was still decent and habitable for the Children of Iluvatar to arrive.

And the Ainulindalë ends with this.
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Yeah, that's a pretty good overview
 
LegendariumOfLies said:
What are Kafka's Feats?
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...Tbh after double-checking, Kafka has very few manipulation feats as opposed to Sauron. We do know she's a master manipulator, but to what extent is kinda unknown. At least for me.

Himeko would probably be a better opponent for Sauron in an intelligence battle.
 
Anyone else get slightly sad when thinking about the Lord of Rings (Original Tolkien books)? About how it is "over" and never continuing? Very random though o course considering it ended long before I was born but I am feeling melancholic lol
 
Grand_Astartes said:
Anyone else get slightly sad when thinking about the Lord of Rings (Original Tolkien books)? About how it is "over" and never continuing? Very random though o course considering it ended long before I was born but I am feeling melancholic lol
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There's a bittersweetness to it, but I don't entirely feel sad about it. The Lord of the Rings had a finished ending as did the Hobbit. While the Silmarillion getting a final version might have been nice (alongside everything else), the ambiguity to the lore gives it a really "history" or "mythological" feel when researching it. Like you're scouring through genuine notes from a historical past or something.

Mind you, I also enjoy fan lore and stuff for mods and projects like Crusader Kings 3's Realms in Exile (goated mod) and Dominions of Middle-Earth for Dominions 6. While Tolkien "official" adaptions may be... sub-par these days (though I thought the anime movie was fine), the fandom keeps Tolkien's work alive and well in the modern day.
 
Finished watching War of the Rohirrim a week ago. Pretty good imo.

And also just finished re-watching the Trilogy today. Still as glorious as it was all those years ago.
 
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