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Thunderbolts* Spoiler Discussion Thread

Lightning_XXI said:
Yeah, that High 3-A Environmental Destruction in the Void Dimension that I said was based on my Country's dub guys, and has no support in the og language or any other material, just wanted to point out this, I'm not going for anything at Tier 3

Anyway, Bob has way too many statements to be anything under Tier 4, beyond Captain Marvel by WoG and a 1000 Suns power should leave him at "Likely 4-B" or anything the result of the calc ends up being

My suggestion:

  • Main scaling comes from his own calc
  • Support comes from his statements
  • Likely tier since it relies on statements


No need to go into way too many details like the current profile does, much less any 8-C scaling, his quotes, calc and feats are quite solid on their own
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1000 exploding suns is textbook 4-B, 1 kiloFOE. Same as Cell.
 
Apotheosis69 said:
We don't know yet. Cus "exploding sun" is rather nebulous, that doesn't directly mean a full-on supernova.

I myself would say High 4-C, through that calc but who knows.
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Suns don't explode. Period. It doesn't have enough mass to undergo a supernova. This was already addressed years ago when we were discussing comic Sentry's power of a million Exploding Suns and it was decreed that an exploding sun referring to a supernova is the best and most accurate description you can take. There's nothing nebulous to get at to begin with.
 
darkphantom9805 said:
I don’t even know what we’re changing
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Sentry being upgraded from 5-C (Moon Level) to at least Low 4-C (Small Star Level) (off of Carol Danvers) or 4-B (Solar System Level) (off of the 1000 exploding suns statement)

In addition to buffing up his NPI to something like "Non-Physical Interaction (Intangibility [Phasing])" resistance to dura neg cause of him being able to grab Ghost while phasing as per what Apotheosis said.
 
ShroobWasTaken said:
Sentry being upgraded from 5-C (Moon Level) to at least Low 4-C (Small Star Level) (off of Carol Danvers) or 4-B (Solar System Level) (off of the 1000 exploding suns statement)

In addition to buffing up his NPI to something like "Non-Physical Interaction (Intangibility [Phasing])" resistance to dura neg cause of him being able to grab Ghost while phasing as per what Apotheosis said.
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At least 5-C (140.6 Exatons, due to statement of being superior to the Avengers which should include Iron Man, and his 475% Absorption), Likely at least Low 4-C (71.3 Quettatons; Off of Captain Marvel), and then "possibly 4-B" (the Exploding Sun statement). For his AP, Striking Strength and Durability

AND he should have At least Relativistic+ (0.70878 c) speeds, cus he absolutely blitzes the Thunderbolts who are Massively HS+, and scales to the actual strongest Avengers.

At least Class P, likely higher Lifting Strength (14.8 Trillion Metric Tons) due ofc Avengers upscaling
 
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Aside from tier someone needs to reword everything in there and get rid of all the stuff he doesn’t need to be like using to to send someone flying a strength feat in his speed section lol
 
I can reword the Justifications when the Revision gets accepted into the actual profile
 
I'd say his AP coud look something like this:
At least 5-C (Vibranium Scaling), likely 4-B (Stated to have the power of a thousand exploding suns, a single supernova releases a foe of energy. Stated to be stronger than all of the Avengers rolled into one, which would include the likes of Thor and Captain Marvel, as supported by WoG)
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We can also add a note or Statistics Value specifying that he scales to 1000 Foe/1 KiloFoe
 
darkphantom9805 said:
Then give me a list 😭😭😭 like change to what I don’t even know what I’m purposing the crt bro can’t just say speed strength abilities and lifting
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At least 5-C (140.6 Exatons, due to statement of being superior to the Avengers which should include Iron Man, and his 475% Absorption), Likely at least Low 4-C (71.3 Quettatons; Off of Captain Marvel), and then "possibly 4-B" (the Exploding Sun statement). For his AP, Striking Strength and Durability

AND he should have At least Relativistic+ (0.70878 c) speeds, cus he absolutely blitzes the Thunderbolts who are Massively HS+, and scales to the actual strongest Avengers.

At least Class P, likely higher Lifting Strength (14.8 Trillion Metric Tons) due ofc Avengers upscaling

"Non-Physical Interaction (Intangibility [Phasing])" resistance to dura neg cause of him being able to grab Ghost while phasing as per what Apotheosis said.

I just copy pasted some of the stuff posted in this thread, that's basically it
 
we don’t need to include the likely Low 4-C, just keep it as likely 4-B and use that as support for that rating like what RoTt said
 
ShroobWasTaken said:
"Non-Physical Interaction (Intangibility [Phasing])" resistance to dura neg cause of him being able to grab Ghost while phasing as per what Apotheosis said.
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He already has this on his profile besides resistance to dura neg I didn’t realize someone already changed his profile they even added the clothes thing which i mentioned a few pages ago
 
@Apotheosis69 @RoTt35 @LMalone22 @ArkhamDC06 @Qawsedf234
Decided to keep this out of the Sentry CRT page but me and @darkphantom9805 found something that I wanted to bring up with you guys.

Here it states that The Voids "Void Space" has a different flow of time, given the fact he created this it'd be at least Universal+ no?
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It's supported by the statements of The Void being the strongest enemy in history (placing him above Infinity Stones Thanos) and the director statement comparing him to the infinity stones.
 
ShroobWasTaken said:
@Apotheosis69 @RoTt35 @LMalone22 @ArkhamDC06 @Qawsedf234
Decided to keep this out of the Sentry CRT page but me and @darkphantom9805 found something that I wanted to bring up with you guys.

Here it states that The Voids "Void Space" has a different flow of time, given the fact he created this it'd be at least Universal+ no?
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It's supported by the statements of The Void being the strongest enemy in history (placing him above Infinity Stones Thanos) and the director statement comparing him to the infinity stones.
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Not that simple I'm afraid.

You also need to prove the Void is Universal in size and you need to prove spatiotemporal separation.
 
KLOL506 said:
Not that simple I'm afraid.

You also need to prove the Void is Universal in size and you need to prove spatiotemporal separation.
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Even tho we can’t prove universal size void can we get time manipulation/alteration or something for creating a different flow of time ?
 
KLOL506 said:
Not that simple I'm afraid.

You also need to prove the Void is Universal in size and you need to prove spatiotemporal separation.
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Interesting, for now I'm confident they'll release more information on the realm and Sentry himself that'll help him
 
ShroobWasTaken said:
Interesting, for now I'm confident they'll release more information on the realm and Sentry himself that'll help him
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Yeah, we really don’t need to rush along a ton of big changes like Universal or Time Manip; the movie just came out like 2 weeks ago. Give it a month or 2 for more interviews and info to come out, and then we can build up a more solid foundation.
 
Da3ggman said:
Yeah, we really don’t need to rush along a ton of big changes like Universal or Time Manip; the movie just came out like 2 weeks ago. Give it a month or 2 for more interviews and info to come out, and then we can build up a more solid foundation.
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Mhm, for now we'll see if the new CRT gets approved and he'll float at 4-B until more stuff comes out
 
Apotheosis69 said:
Yeah Sentry should have Non-Physical Interaction (Intangibility [Phasing]; ) specifically

And shouldn't he have Resistance to Durability Negation, due to him not feelin anythin from Ghosts' Attacks. Which her profile has Durability Negation by phasing through her enemies.
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Yes
 
At least 5-C (Superheated Bucky's vibranium arm red and damaged it. Stated multiple times to be more powerful than all the Avengers rolled into one. Stated to be the most popular foe any of the Thunderbolts ever faced, which makes him more powerful than Thanos), likely 4-B (Is stated to have the power of 1000 exploding Suns. Stated to have the power of Thor, Captain Marvel and Vision combined in marketing, making him logically more powerful than any of them)
 
Shouldn't Sentry have At least Class P lifting strength, cus he literally bent Walker's shield and Bucky's arm
 
Lewis Pullman stated in a recent BTS there are are Endless amount of rooms in the void also they stated gravity is different for each room and it’s stated it’s rules are different for each room

Wouldn’t that give void gravity manipulation/law manipulation or something
 
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Apotheosis69 said:
Gravity Manip and Law Manip

But unfortunately as always, locked behind his Pocket Reality BFR
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Anything he can do on the inside can become real on the outside as proven through BoB and isn’t limited to the void meaning those are his actual powers and not locked behind anything

we can’t lock everything through darkness it’s like saying any character who uses magic and has hax should only have magic listed in their profiles like we should strip dr strange entire profile clean and just put only magic since everything he does is because of magic is essentially the logic used here 😭😭😭
 
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