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Strongest LGBTQ+ character of each category

I don't think cosmic abstract beings who are fundamentally without gender quite count imo. Since they're not non-binary in a way adjacent with LGBT community but non-binary because they're literally above concepts like gender or sex.
I'd advocate for The Endless cuz they're adapted to every race and specifically Dream has been in relationships (even had a son) with multiple humans (that "friend" of his on the Netflix I include in my headcannon). The well of the humankind is the most important thing to him, and he learns throught his stories to be more and more closer to humankind, with he himself not believing his qualitatively above any human if you ask him that lol
 
Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
I don't think it's that simple:
As he grew, he became more beautiful, and by the time he reached puberty his body was remarkably androgynous. He possessed a beauty that transcended gender.
Kento was stunned. He’d known that the staff had been charmed by Kei’s looks, but he hadn’t known things had progressed that far. Part of the fault lay in the fact that Kento wasn’t especially experienced in sexual matters, but more than anything, most of the research staff were men.
“Beauty is beauty whether you’re a man or a woman, right? And anyway, in a natural state, a beautiful boy would be loved by both men and women. You’ve been making me study history lately, and one of the things I’ve learned is that the idea of sex only being between a man and a woman is a relatively recent development.”
So, I think Kei Sakura should probably be in the bisexual or non-binary category. I'm not sure, so if the quotes help, I'll let others decide which works better.
 
Alvis for Genderfluid (1-C). They are to represent the middle ground between male and female which has allowed them to be able to be both.
 
I'm sure anyone can find loop holes if you are looking for them.
Does beings that exist above the concepts of love be considered asexual and aromatic?
Can omnipresent being be considered gender fluid for existing as any gender?
Beings who embody the concept of love should be pansexual as they accept all forms of love?
 
I would try to keep it in the spirit of being queer. Metaphysically transcending the need for concepts like gender or sex isn't really a queer identity, I'd say.
Exactly, fall on that category through a loophole is like those bait queer that appear in shows that are just vague enough to fit there but never confirmed anything.
 
Does beings that exist above the concepts of love be considered asexual and aromatic?
I think that if you're beside some concepts intrinsical to humans/animals, you can't be defined as something that defines humans/animals
Is like defining bacteria as asexual, as I see it

Can omnipresent being be considered gender fluid for existing as any gender?
Couldn't follow you here cuz existing everywhere ≠ existing as everything
Deities like God or others similars aren't everything cuz they're everywhere, they're everything when they're described as omnipotent ig

And to omnipotent guys I think like the above argument of being undescribed by love

Beings who embody the concept of love should be pansexual as they accept all forms
Accepting all types of love ≠ being interested in all types of love
If you're not LGBT+-phobic doesn't mean you're pan or something...and the same argument here

TL;DR you're correct on your points, and yeah, we should avoid loopholes/exploits
 
I don't think it's that simple:
If it is not simple, then it is peak.
So, I think Kei Sakura should probably be in the bisexual or non-binary category. I'm not sure, so if the quotes help, I'll let others decide which works better.
Bisexual fits Kei Sakura better since the part of him transcending gender is just talking about how beautiful he is—that both men and women will fall in love with him—while he himself is still a man, rather than transcending gender that he is neither man nor woman for non-binary.
 
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Does Inapplicable count for "Non-Binary"?

Cus "Dream of the Endless" is Inapplicable
 
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You don't need to scream that to be such.

Almost none of the characters here explicitly say that they're LGBT, they're such by other clues.
“They” does not necessarily imply non-binary. It can also refer to characters whose sex is irrelevant or unknown. And in case of other LGВТ characters, the ways to make it are way more blatant (e. g. just make a mаn kiss another mаn).

The OP also says that there should be explicit confirmation, not headcanons or theories or speculations, so here we are.
 
It can also refer to characters whose sex is irrelevant
Chara is a human so idk how that would work.
Chara isn't like Kris who is meant to be separated from the Player entirely. They're meant to be a representation of the Player, they have our name after all. I think they're meant to have whatever gender we want to hc them with, as that's one of the main points of their character after all.
 
This is a little off-topic, but shouldn’t we include an Agender/Genderless category? Would we include any robots or other characters who lack an assigned gender or sex, or specifically those that actively identify with having no gender at all?
 
You don't need to scream that to be such.

Almost none of the characters here explicitly say that they're LGBT, they're such by other clues.

Inb4 idc about other verses.
From those on the list already that I know they might as well have screamed, Wiccan he is married to a male character if that's not a clue I don't know what is, Nico had many relationships (with actual kisses and even sex) in her time in the comics both male and female and the last relationship she got was with a women so that's also pretty obvious, Gwenpool she had like a small 4 issues arc where she found her sexuality and they even explain what asexual and aromatic are to Gwenpool.
If the "clues" are this obvious then it's fine but if you get there through loopholes manipulating the meaning of the word to get there that's not it.

I don't clearly know your case but characters with multiple selves can be called "they" but doesn't mean they are non binary and each self can even have a different gender/sexuality.
 
This is a little off-topic, but shouldn’t we include an Agender/Genderless category? Would we include any robots or other characters who lack an assigned gender or sex, or specifically those that actively identify with having no gender at all?
I would assume the list is for living beings, if not might as well just make a list of the strongest robots/androids instead of making up some new sexuality/gender for that.
 
I don't clearly know your case but characters with multiple selves can be called "they" but doesn't mean they are non binary and each self can even have a different gender/sexuality.
Chara isn't like Kris who is meant to be separated from the Player entirely. They're meant to be a representation of the Player, they have our name after all. I think they're meant to have whatever gender we want to hc them with, as that's one of the main points of their character after all.
Basically Chara is a "they" because of them not having a defined gender right to give the Player the choice of being "them" regardless of the gender.

Non-binary people may identify as an intermediate or separate third gender, identify with more than one gender or no gender, or have a fluctuating gender identity. Gender identity is separate from sexual or romantic orientation.

Chara is a textbook case of non-binary, and I ain't changing my mind on this, ever.
 
Chara is a human so idk how that would work.
There are some instances of such usage of English, I saw that in FNaF three years ago during war of theories.
Chara isn't like Kris who is meant to be separated from the Player entirely. They're meant to be a representation of the Player, they have our name after all. I think they're meant to have whatever gender we want to hc them with, as that's one of the main points of their character after all.
Yeah, but that doesn’t make them non-binary inverse, it just means that their sex is whatever Player’s sex is (or whatever Player wants it to be, I guess, since you also determine their name and can choose not-your-own-name, and although there is “true name” - Chara, point still stands). Non-binary is neither man or woman. Chara does not fit - they are just what Player is or wants to be.
 
Yeah, but that doesn’t make them non-binary inverse, it just means that their sex is whatever Player’s sex is (or whatever Player wants it to be, I guess, since you also determine their name and can choose not-your-own-name, and although there is “true name” - Chara, point still stands). Non-binary is neither man or woman. Chara does not fit - they are just what Player is or wants to be.
Didn't know Wikipedia is wrong.
 
They do not identify as more than one sex simultaneously, it’s just that their sex is determined by the Player. Not the same thing.
Idk man you're both:
  1. Ruining the fun in this.
  2. Ignoring that the page says that it's not the only way to be non-binary, but also be both genders, or an intermediate between the two. Being neither is not the only way.
 
This is a little off-topic, but shouldn’t we include an Agender/Genderless category? Would we include any robots or other characters who lack an assigned gender or sex, or specifically those that actively identify with having no gender at all?
as an agendered person myself I would appreciate it and I am sure there is tons of charcters that apply.
 
I would assume the list is for living beings, if not might as well just make a list of the strongest robots/androids instead of making up some new sexuality/gender for that.
I mean, robots in fiction can definitely have defined genders, like… idk, Bender from Futurama for instance. Yes, he doesn’t have any biological sex, but he’s still undeniably a man and identifies as such. By this same logic, wouldn’t any robot that actively identifies as genderless count for this list?
 
I mean, robots in fiction can definitely have defined genders, like… idk, Bender from Futurama for instance. Yes, he doesn’t have any biological sex, but he’s still undeniably a man and identifies as such. By this same logic, wouldn’t any robot that actively identifies as genderless count for this list?


Robots for sure got as close to biological sex as possible.
 


Robots for sure got as close to biological sex as possible.

Ok, bad example, my bad, I didn't watch that much Futurama
Still, there are plenty of examples in fiction of robots having genders that I'm sure should count for this list if they are explicitly outside the gender binary
 
  1. Ruining the fun in this.
OP said no headcanons, theories, or speculations, so…
  1. Ignoring that the page says that it's not the only way to be non-binary, but also be both genders, or an intermediate between the two. Being neither is not the only way.
I literally addressed this? The way Chara is “both genders” by just being whatever Player wants it to be, thus not simultaneously both genders and not in the way of identifying being two genders, but just being up to Player who they are.
 
If we're adding more categories, as a Bigender person I think its addition would be neat.
Granted rn the thread seems to be arguing over nonbinary so eh yah
 
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