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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

The second arguments are about the size of dimensions, and the quartet skill part and carrera and velgrynd being about the same skill level.

The size of dimensions, as I said above, is literally called bigger than a universe. Now he stated that these dimensions can either be destroyed by dragon’s aura or there are dimensions where there are being son level of demon lord in constant conflict. Now this is literally nonsense. Take it as this. Goku, is universal in scaling. He can’t destroy destroy a universe. But that does not mean he can destroy a universe sized dimension in a verse like umineko. Next is the quartet skill part saying destruction is a higher than velgrynd and the sentence before saying it swallows solar systems. This is another stupid argument. Just the sentence before it is stated to have the skill “disintegration” in it, although it is MTL, if checked/compared with previous texts with disintegration, it matches. And we all know how powerful that skill’s destruction is. No wonder it along with a few other skills combination, and putting the user”/ life on the line has more destruction that velgrynd. Its range can be small though its destructive capabilities are large. And the carrera part. Are we serious. This was volume -5. Velgrynd was barely introduced. In volume 17 she awakens her god series skill. Like what do I even have to say to this bruh.
 
Violatas said:
On that front I should ask, is there a direct blatant statement that Zalario "nuked" dimensions? Because yeah "destroying" can be vague on its own.
Alex did say he has the raws for that and supposedly it leans towards nuking but guess we'll see.
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No he said it means destroying but could mean conquering based on context. But the translator directly said it means destroying.
 
Need to correct some people who are having hard time reading what was even argued in the thread
  • Tensura isn't tier 4 but some of its characters are. Currently Veldanava wouldn't be tier 2 if Tensura was Tier 4.
  • Destroy doesn't automatically makes you are erasing stuffs or destroying something literally. Context matters.
  • Worlds in Tensura runs by different laws and there clearly is mentioned small and weak. Not just weak. Larger than universe is talking about the world where Cornu come from.
  • Finally you people just become greedy and wanted to scale everyone to Veldanava tier and now it's downgraded you are just going around and spreading hate for the site. That's all.
 
Re5yh said:
Why are people downgrading Tensura to fake tiers.

Also, Tensura would eventually be deleted because of these false CRTs
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Stop talking nonsense, otherwise there will be consequences for you.
SweetDao said:
Not even SS, tragedy upon tragedy
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Stop dramatizing the situation.
Doomrider7 said:
And the community wonders why no one takes this site seriously for powerscaling.
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If you do not take this site seriously you can simply leave the forum.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Need to correct some people who are having hard time reading what was even argued in the thread
  • Tensura isn't tier 4 but some of its characters are. Currently Veldanava wouldn't be tier 2 if Tensura was Tier 4.
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Didn’t talk about that so idk.
EldemadeDityjon said:
  • Destroy doesn't automatically makes you are erasing stuffs or destroying something literally. Context matters.
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Do you hear yourself? Like how does destroying not mean destroying. In that context, there was nothing to prove that he was “conquering” those dimensions. The quotes you sent were quite literally out of context.
EldemadeDityjon said:
  • Worlds in Tensura runs by different laws and there clearly is mentioned small and weak. Not just weak. Larger than universe is talking about the world where Cornu come from.
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Not small. Just weak. Slime reader says this, “There were weak worlds that could be blown away by a True Dragon if it unleashed all of its strength.” The other worlds as a whole was called as bigger than universes. Slime reader quote, “The universe is vast, but not as vast as the other worlds.” So either it’s me or it doesn’t say a universe is faster than “comu’s world” it says other worlds. So completely wrong.
EldemadeDityjon said:
  • Finally you people just become greedy and wanted to scale everyone to Veldanava tier and now it's downgraded you are just going around and spreading hate for the site. That's all.
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Sorry not spreading hate or sum shit, just saying things as how they are. Actively used scans and this was done in a phone.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Larger than universe is talking about the world where Cornu come from.
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I'd like to talk about this. Because Ivarajes seal doesn't contain planets like the world Cornu was in. They aren't even mentioned in the same novel. And if Cornu was there, he would have met/fought Ivaraje and all its minions.
 
So how are we going to fix the tensura verse so we can change back to tier 2 or tier 1?
 
MetaChronos said:
Do you hear yourself? Like how does destroying not mean destroying. In that context, there was nothing to prove that he was “conquering” those dimensions. The quotes you sent were quite literally out of context.
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First of all, the Zarario case lacks context. We go by what the series has presented so far, which is that the Phantom (or Mystic, depending on the translation) race talks about having conquered dimensions.
"Even from Zarario's perspective, who has destroyed numerous dimensions, this was an extraordinary talent."
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Are you even reading what's written here? It doesn't make sense to claim Zarario destroyed dimensions and then compared the talents of individuals. That’s only possible if he actually fought the inhabitants of other worlds and conquered them—or even if "destroyed" doesn't mean literal destruction, but rather killing the inhabitants and causing widespread ruin due to war. That interpretation makes more sense. It would explain how he is able to compare the talent of Otherworlders to that of those currently standing before
him.
MetaChronos said:
Not small. Just weak. Slime reader says this, “There were weak worlds that could be blown away by a True Dragon if it unleashed all of its strength.” The other worlds as a whole was called as bigger than universes. Slime reader quote, “The universe is vast, but not as vast as the other worlds.” So either it’s me or it doesn’t say a universe is faster than “comu’s world” it says other worlds. So completely wrong.
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If you seriously think some fan-edited MTL is more reliable than the wiki’s trusted translators, that’s on you—I can’t help you.
Also, you wouldn’t be claiming it’s not Cornu’s world if you actually read that chapter and understood the context.
 
Lycoris4812 said:
I'd like to talk about this. Because Ivarajes seal doesn't contain planets like the world Cornu was in. They aren't even mentioned in the same novel. And if Cornu was there, he would have met/fought Ivaraje and all its minions.
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Volume 16 clearly mentioned he was in that world helping Feldway.
Such was the birth of Zeranus, the Insect Lord. And while he received no orders from Veldanava to do so, Zeranus began exterminating any cryptids who lost control of themselves. It was simply his fighting instincts taking hold of him, but Veldanava still approved.
Eventually, Zeranus created his own insectors who served as his personal army. Before long, they grew to where they were a full-fledged faction. Feldway himself was also transformed—having been exposed to magicules for so many years, he was no longer a seraphim, and the angels he led had also transformed into a new race.
Feldway wasn’t the only member of the Seven Primordial Angels to come to this world from the heavenly realm where Veldanava lived. Three of them remained by Veldanava’s side, and three others—Zarario, Obela, and Cornu—followed Feldway down, helping manage this world.
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EldemadeDityjon said:
First of all, the Zarario case lacks context. We go by what the series has presented so far, which is that the Phantom (or Mystic, depending on the translation) race talks about having conquered dimensions.

Are you even reading what's written here? It doesn't make sense to claim Zarario destroyed dimensions and then compared the talents of individuals. That’s only possible if he actually fought the inhabitants of other worlds and conquered them—or even if "destroyed" doesn't mean literal destruction, but rather killing the inhabitants and causing widespread ruin due to war. That interpretation makes more sense. It would explain how he is able to compare the talent of Otherworlders to that of those currently standing before
him.

If you seriously think some fan-edited MTL is more reliable than the wiki’s trusted translators, that’s on you—I can’t help you.
Also, you wouldn’t be claiming it’s not Cornu’s world if you actually read that chapter and understood the context.
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Between Slimereader and the OTL, which one do you think is more consistent out of curiosity? Both seem to have their fair share of flaws despite the latter getting memed on more.
Also while I agree that some of the arguments for scaling some characters to tier 2 were iffy, won't lie its a bit annoying seeing people just gloating about the downgrade just cause they don't like the verse (yeah yeah I'll sometimes do this too but I try not to be overly obnoxious about it)
 
Ruler_Star_Kuma said:
But it's nothing to be too sad or upset over, long as you rep your faves in a non-toxic manner you're all good (which at least I've seen you done, so much kudos there)

Wishing the best for the verse honestly
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We're Light Novel fans, of course we get put down by others because of either lackluster anime adaptations or -those- more vocal 'scalers'. (shout out to whoever gets this joke -coughcoscoguyscough)

But at least we can properly read.
 
Violatas said:
Between Slimereader and the OTL, which one do you think is more consistent out of curiosity? Both seem to have their fair share of flaws despite the latter getting memed on more.
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If you ask me both are shit.
Take this as example since most of the people used slime reader to argue this.
Then why, one might ask, do 'information particles' appear to exceed the speed of light?
Well, it's not that their speed is faster.
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This line was completely messed up by slime reader while OP got it correct (this translation is from wiki Translators so you can trust this)
It feels like 'information particles,' which should exist in separate coordinates, are transferring "information" to one another with zero time delay.
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This here I don't know which one got it wrong forgot. But part is it's just talking about different coordinates not different systems of coordinates.
Regardless of the distance between them, as long as the 'information particles' exist within a perceptible space, the transfer happens instantaneously. In other words, 'information particles' transcend spacetime.
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While Slime readers got this part correct where only transcend space-time statement exists not laws of space-time which OTL messed up

So overall I think both has their shares of Mistranslation or translating things out of context. So it's better to check the raws and ask some TL here to help if you seriously think something wrong with the TL in anyone of them.
Violatas said:
Also while I agree that some of the arguments for scaling some characters to tier 2 were iffy, won't lie its a bit annoying seeing people just gloating about the downgrade just cause they don't like the verse (yeah yeah I'll sometimes do this too but I try not to be overly obnoxious about it)
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Just as an example, correct me if I'm wrong here—but in the Rudra vs. Guy stuff, didn’t Rudra used to get power amps from his people? Also, didn’t he use holy barriers or something similar against Guy to nerf him during their fights? Shouldn’t this be considered as Rudra using all of his abilities—meaning he’s on Guy’s level? But just because Carrera has a statement saying she’s capable of harming Rudra, she’s considered downscale to Guy, and then Guy is scaled to Milim which makes Carrera AP should scale to Dragon Nova. This kind of scaling chain is what I hate. It should be clearly noted which specific version or status of the characters are being scaled.

Do we take Milim as a L2C - 2C? Because if yes, then we have a funny chain: Guy is somewhat equal to Milim (and while his BIQ does matter, as was shown in vol 22, Stampede Milim will bust you if you don't have enough power, no matter the skill), Rudra is equal to Guy and then we have Carrera unleashing enough power to hurt him. Then we have Diablo superior to Carrera and for the last one, Diablo is equal to Zalario
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EldemadeDityjon said:
Are you even reading what's written here? It doesn't make sense to claim Zarario destroyed dimensions and then compared the talents of individuals. That’s only possible if he actually fought the inhabitants of other worlds and conquered them—or even if "destroyed" doesn't mean literal destruction, but rather killing the inhabitants and causing widespread ruin due to war. That interpretation makes more sense. It would explain how he is able to compare the talent of Otherworlders to that of those currently standing before
him.
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Well, I have smth that will make Zalario actually destroying, but at the same time fighting with inhabitants, but I will wait for TL before saying more
 
Violatas said:
Well, since I'm planning a crt down the line with adding and removing abilities, I'll ask y'all: do we have better evidence for Milim having EE?


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Stardust particles surpassing the destructive capabilities of spiritons but on a side note the true dragon specific abilities need to be removed from her page she isn't a true dragon.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
This line was completely messed up by slime reader while OP got it correct (this translation is from wiki Translators so you can trust this)
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Everything past volume 13 in Slimereader is MTL that's polished by some editors to make it read more human (as human as Yen Press translations sound anyways).
Everything after that, you're gonna face the chicanery of machine translations and handpicked raws to be translated by wiki translators. Good luck.
(I'm pretty sure a verse got nuked for similar reasons but whatever).
 
It's more readable than powerscalers trying to parse raws on their own, anyways. But it is bound to have problems here and there.
Not to say anything bad to our current legitimate translators in the forum. But I still remember having a translator here who got a whole lot of stuff approved whilst he only really did MTL. He got demoted but I think he's still in here.
 
Yah, you guys should stop crying about this, i saw this coming miles away, just look forward, i still am pissed with this forum for approving this shit with their own community translators and not the official one they've been crying for us to use but, it is what it is. By volume 22 we can all defend 3-A/Low 2-C for ivarage, guy, milim, feldway and other top tiers. 2-C can be gotten back but we generally need to understand what the labyrinth is. The verse is still technically tier 2, we can argue tier 1 back but we need to take care of other problems, also being tier 4 didn't stop us from beating the dragon ball verse lmao, atleast we still do praise the gods. Just look ahead and stop whining like little children who got their candy stolen
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
First of all, the Zarario case lacks context. We go by what the series has presented so far, which is that the Phantom (or Mystic, depending on the translation) race talks about having conquered dimensions.
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Having conquered dimensions is only part of it. We have to go by the sentences before and after the given statement for the context, and when we look at those, we can only infer that it is destroyed.
EldemadeDityjon said:
Are you even reading what's written here? It doesn't make sense to claim Zarario destroyed dimensions and then compared the talents of individuals. That’s only possible if he actually fought the inhabitants of other worlds and conquered them—or even if "destroyed" doesn't mean literal destruction, but rather killing the inhabitants and causing widespread ruin due to war. That interpretation makes more sense. It would explain how he is able to compare the talent of Otherworlders to that of those currently standing before
him.
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Talent hmm. again what you said doesn’t make sense. Talent could mean many things. Based on the context, I understood that talent here means potential strength he could obtain. Zalario had the strength to “destroy dimensions” so he thiught this person also had the potential strength to do that or surpass zalario himself. So they made that’s statement. It clearly makes sense to speak about one’s talent then. So I don’t know where you got anything you said from.
EldemadeDityjon said:
If you seriously think some fan-edited MTL is more reliable than the wiki’s trusted translators, that’s on you—I can’t help you.
Also, you wouldn’t be claiming it’s not Cornu’s world if you actually read that chapter and understood the context.
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Based on this thread by Reiner, it has been accepted to use Slime Reader. I checked the thread for your “translator scan”. He himself said it was weak work. You asked him does it work for small world. So he then added yea, weak/fragile world. Small world. So I’m convinced that the scan had been thoroughly checked and it is just weak world, but without context the translator assumed it works for small world as well.

I’ll ask something in return. Have these threads not been checked. I check this thread, I checked those scans, I found at least 2 scans that were manipulated to seem to support what you said. I’m not accusing or something, but have they been checked.
 
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