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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

He did, but after spending a while studying the Bumblekast Master List, I don't think he ever answers a question about canon with anything other than "Yes", "No", "Can't say", or "Don't know". It's always pretty consistent on that front, he always gives a direct answer, which "self-contained" isn't.
Still valid to feel as you do of course, but, I wouldn't count the possibility out yet.
 
On the Bumblekast Live from December 28, he's asked this question and says "You will have to read to find out, can't talk about nothing unofficially". This is very usual in terms of responding to things he can't talk about, and this tracks with him responding "wait and see" when asked which Flash is in the crossover.
 
If Sonic Speed Simulator is canon, is there anything stopping a page for The Player from being created? I mean, there are already Roblox pages on the wiki, so... (He has statements and feats like being comparable to Sonic in speed or outrunning Powered-Up Metal Sonic and Metal Sonic Mach 3.0, as well as surviving Eggman's Rebirth Beam explotion and fought the Eggmobile)
 
so. I just considered the possibility of the Chaos Emeralds being used to create the Life Equation to counter Darkseid attempting the Anti-Life Equation.


edit: Oh Super + White Lantern. This is how Ian brings back Hyper

edit edit: I'm unstrikethroughing that, that idea is good
 
Found FTL statements for Sonic on his debut game
FTL by Sonic 1? Not bad, seems like my Rel+ attempt months back would never have worked after all.

Reminds me of some pages out there that only scale the characters (Mario, Sonic, Link, etc.) via feats/statements from their first game.
so. I just considered the possibility of the Chaos Emeralds being used to create the Life Equation to counter Darkseid attempting the Anti-Life Equation.
White Lantern Sonic would be a thing so out of the blue that I would be somewhat happy to see it lol.
 
FTL by Sonic 1? Not bad, seems like my Rel+ attempt months back would never have worked after all.

Reminds me of some pages out there that only scale the characters (Mario, Sonic, Link, etc.) via feats/statements from their first game.

White Lantern Sonic would be a thing so out of the blue that I would be somewhat happy to see it lol.
The Gary Stu Ring...
 
Boy I've missed a lot haven't I. Stopped getting thread notifications for awhile for some reason, lol. It's aight though.
 
Rip Sonic smurf haxes

 
Why is the Insta-Shield considered part of the Spin Dash? Is it because it can be combined with the Flame Shield to produce the Fireball Spin Dash?
 
Rip Sonic smurf haxes

Good thing Cyber Corruption has corruption
 
Yo fellas, this is out of nowhere, but I had this thought in mind. If we already do then nevermind, but would it be insane to upscale Gaia Colossus and Perfect Dark Gaia above Unleashed Super Sonic?

The main and probably only reason is the fact that Super Sonic can't power through the shield that Dark Gaia makes and has to destroy the dragon heads to bring it down to them help Chip. On the other hand Gaia Colossus can power through the shield and of course Dark Gaia made the shield.

One thing that some may bring up as something to go against Gaia Colossus scaling above Super Sonic is the fact Dark Gaia is constantly beating up the Gaia Colossus and Sonic has to come in and save Chip, but honestly I would chuck that up to two things. The first (and minor thing) being that this is the first time Chip is actually fighting someone, so he likely just isn't good at it and is practically a noob (I know Light Gaia has fought Dark Gaia many times prior, but Chip is both Light Gaia and also his own new person to an extent, so I do think it can explain his not too impressive display against Dark Gaia since this is basically like a new person with Light Gaia's powers), and the second (and major thing) being that throughout the fight, Dark Gaia is focusing almost exclusively on the Gaia Colossus instead of Sonic. It recognizes that the Gaia Colossus is it's archenemy, so it's focusing it's efforts on taking it down so as to win this cycle, while Sonic in it's eyes is just a strong and fast outsider that's interfering, so it only puts a bit of focus on him.

And another reason I think of this is because of the fact that despite Dark Gaia focusing way more on Gaia Colossus so as to destroy it, Sonic still winds up being tired at the end (even goes unconscious as well) even though he wasn't getting assaulted as much as Chip, while Chip is still seemingly unwinded at the end of the fight despite how much of a pummeling he was getting throughout the confrontation.

So Super Sonic has to put in immense effort to help Chip (since I think Chip is a combat newbie) and deal the finishing blow and still ends up winded despite not being Dark Gaia's main focus and he is unable to brute force his way through the barrier while Gaia Colossus can do so and directly gets manhandled throughout the fight, constantly getting beat up unlike Super Sonic, and is still seemingly fine at the end, not even winded.

Also small thing, isn't Dark Gaia one of the small group of bosses that can directly harm Super Sonic? So that's a pretty impressive feat in it's own right.

So honestly, with all this, I would argue Dark Gaia~Gaia Colossus> Unleashed Super Sonic (heck because of being able to be harmed, is winded and passes out at the end, and can't brute force through the barrier and is genuinely impressed that Chip can do so, maybe I would argue they're above even Full Power Unleashed Super Sonic)

If I'm wrong in all of this or if we already do this scaling then oh well lol, just wanted to bring this up as it was something I was thinking about at work.
 
(They also deal less damage the lower in HP their opponent is, somehow.)

I don't recall this being acknowledged as anything but a game mechanic, I think.
 
Unrelated, but I continue to grow newfound respect for Sonic supporters because earlier today I finished applying an accepted scaling chain blog to a bunch of pages for a verse I supported (as I've noticed Sonic's also got a huge scaling chain and statistics value links on the pages)

Seriously, creating blogs like that and then applying them is a major pain, you gotta make sure you didn't mess up TWICE in the most agonizing way possible 😭
 
Unrelated, but I continue to grow newfound respect for Sonic supporters because earlier today I finished applying an accepted scaling chain blog to a bunch of pages for a verse I supported (as I've noticed Sonic's also got a huge scaling chain and statistics value links on the pages)

Seriously, creating blogs like that and then applying them is a major pain, you gotta make sure you didn't mess up TWICE in the most agonizing way possible 😭
Sonic powerscaling has got to be the hardest to really do mainly due to detractors. Like believing a character can perform this feat simply because they find it ridiculous. Not only so, but there's so many interpretations of certain feats, so many statements, feats, and stuff people try to use as anti-feats, and more. It took so long for the Sonic verse to even GET to Low-Multiversal, let alone Universal+.
 
Unrelated, but I continue to grow newfound respect for Sonic supporters because earlier today I finished applying an accepted scaling chain blog to a bunch of pages for a verse I supported (as I've noticed Sonic's also got a huge scaling chain and statistics value links on the pages)

Seriously, creating blogs like that and then applying them is a major pain, you gotta make sure you didn't mess up TWICE in the most agonizing way possible 😭
Shake is truly the GOAT.
 
Unrelated, but I continue to grow newfound respect for Sonic supporters because earlier today I finished applying an accepted scaling chain blog to a bunch of pages for a verse I supported (as I've noticed Sonic's also got a huge scaling chain and statistics value links on the pages)
That really means a lot to hear from you, Lonk! I consider you one of the hardest workers on the wiki, especially for a Retired admin. I've generally heard some mixed thoughts on the formatting of abilities, but tbh Sonic is so massive that it's gonna be impossible to appease everyone. Still, good to know your thoughts! Which verses are doing a similar thing for?
Seriously, creating blogs like that and then applying them is a major pain, you gotta make sure you didn't mess up TWICE in the most agonizing way possible 😭
Oh yeah, it is definitely something that requires meticulous work. Thankfully, despite me owning the blogs, I have a few amazing people that help me double and TRIPLE check any changes (thank you @Omegabronic and @GlaceonGamez471!)
 
That really means a lot to hear from you, Lonk! I consider you one of the hardest workers on the wiki, especially for a Retired admin. I've generally heard some mixed thoughts on the formatting of abilities, but tbh Sonic is so massive that it's gonna be impossible to appease everyone. Still, good to know your thoughts! Which verses are doing a similar thing for?

I recently wrapped up applying the MvC High 5-A scaling chain + statistics values to all pages where High 5-A is applicable (minus Jubilee given her vague scaling). I also have admittedly taken some cues from Sonic's page reworks on my MvC page clean up (along with other verse page clean ups as well, I've actually got a 60's Cartoon Spidey upgrade + page revamp coming quite soon, there's just a few more scans to gather and a calc I'm waiting to see getting the green light or not). I really appreciate getting to see pages have detailed explanations without being visually overwhelming (another reason I'm glad bolded abilities and bullet point abilities listing is becoming the norm). Still gotta tidy up some MvC pages, but I'm glad the scaling chain for High 5-A is outta the way because WOW I was dreading that for the longest time.

Oh yeah, it is definitely something that requires meticulous work. Thankfully, despite me owning the blogs, I have a few amazing people that help me double and TRIPLE check any changes (thank you @Omegabronic and @GlaceonGamez471!)

Huge props to all of you, seriously. With how much powercreep, scaling, forms, etc. goes on in these games, that must've taken some SERIOUS effort
 
I recently wrapped up applying the MvC High 5-A scaling chain + statistics values to all pages where High 5-A is applicable (minus Jubilee given her vague scaling).
Ahhh, that's right, the MvC thread I commented on! Wonderful job with that lol, that was a good accomplishment!

Did the Low 4-C upscaling ever work out?
I also have admittedly taken some cues from Sonic's page reworks on my MvC page clean up (along with other verse page clean ups as well, I've actually got a 60's Cartoon Spidey upgrade + page revamp coming quite soon, there's just a few more scans to gather and a calc I'm waiting to see getting the green light or not).
BASED! Also yeah Sonic's profile tends to be a pretty good hub for different coding stuff to use, so it always delights me to see it as a base of inspiration (no matter how small)!
I really appreciate getting to see pages have detailed explanations without being visually overwhelming (another reason I'm glad bolded abilities and bullet point abilities listing is becoming the norm). Still gotta tidy up some MvC pages, but I'm glad the scaling chain for High 5-A is outta the way because WOW I was dreading that for the longest time.
Oh yeah bolded abilities + bulleted abilities is something ALMOST unanimously agreed upon to be better overall.
Huge props to all of you, seriously. With how much powercreep, scaling, forms, etc. goes on in these games, that must've taken some SERIOUS effort
Same to you, man!

You know, it actually does get a little overwhelming when you factor in the myriad of "growing stronger/faster" statements. That, alongside with a timeline always debated, is always gonna bring some pain lol.
 
Ahhh, that's right, the MvC thread I commented on! Wonderful job with that lol, that was a good accomplishment!

Did the Low 4-C upscaling ever work out?

Thank you! I put a lot of effort into MvC indexing!

I might return to the possibility of Low 4-C in the future. Like, given how the gap between MvC's High 5-A and Low 4-C is and the insane degrees of upscaling, I still wanna figure out where I can place that crossing line. I just wasn't brave enough to tackle it in that revision

BASED! Also yeah Sonic's profile tends to be a pretty good hub for different coding stuff to use, so it always delights me to see it as a base of inspiration (no matter how small)!

I won't even lie when saying I've stolen certain codes from pages for functions I didn't know how to use before from other pages (complimentary)

Also, one of those calcs I mentioned got the thumbs up, so that revision for 60's Spidey may come out faster now

Oh yeah bolded abilities + bulleted abilities is something ALMOST unanimously agreed upon to be better overall.

It looks INSANELY better, I can't believe I used to look at non-bolded abilities next to a ton of blue links, no bullet points, and thought "yeah that's fine"

Same to you, man!

You know, it actually does get a little overwhelming when you factor in the myriad of "growing stronger/faster" statements. That, alongside with a timeline always debated, is always gonna bring some pain lol.

It's genuinely a blessing and a curse. Like on one hand it's cool that these guys get better, but on the other hand there's so much to keep track of 😭
 
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