-Kaneki vs Genos-

[Raiden38]

Genos FRA

 

[NikHelton]

Resistance ≠ Immunity unless otherwise stated in the profiles.
With that, Genos FRA.

What are you talking about? Kagune is completely resistant to planemi, as shown in the scans above. Kaneki's Post-Dragon is literally made of kagune, being a living kagune organism.
Based on this, it is also heat-resistant from the inside

 

[NikHelton]

Based on?

This guy literally got a power boost the moment he was chewed into mush. A page ago, that one tentacle was overwhelming him, and here he destroyed all 5 in one hit.

Minutes earlier, he got a massive power boost the moment he was being beaten non-stop by a superior opponent. He got to his feet, already ignoring his blows, and delivered a oneshot

 

[NikHelton]

Yes but if he's getting blown up from the inside out I don't see how he can come back to "oneshot" Genos. It's also still a 3.45x gap, is there proof that he can ump that much instantly?

Kaneki simply didn't let Genos get close enough. His analytical prediction, skills, and formless attacks will do the trick. And his superiority in LS will allow him to tie Genos down with his kagune.

RE Kaneki is enough to first rise from the level of "At least 7-C+" to the one who oneshot "At least 7-C+" and a couple of minutes later, with a second increase in strength, he rose from this level to "Low 7-B+"

 

[NikHelton]

Genos is capable of creating minimum of 300 meter wide explosions. That shouldn't be the biggest issue.

clones didn't show regeneration, but how would Genos' blast radius save him from clones that would literally materialize out of nowhere behind him? And who would be strong enough to pin him down with their LS and deal damage?

 

[NikHelton]

Genos FRA

How will Genos counter Kaneki's RE, high-mid regen, heat resistance, force fields and doppelgangers?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

What are you talking about? Kagune is completely resistant to planemi, as shown in the scans above. Kaneki's Post-Dragon is literally made of kagune, being a living kagune organism.
Based on this, it is also heat-resistant from the inside

It's cuz u said immunity. Immunity in this site is pretty much impossible to have because there is always something greater/stronger/higher/bs.

Just avoid the term immunity and stick to resistances

 

[Arkenis]

So Kaneki resists 4000 at least and Genos has far above 3500 degrees flames from what I'm hearing? asfaik, neither of these mean vap for Kaneki meaning he'd regen from them, even if slower.

 

[Arkenis]

clones didn't show regeneration, but how would Genos' blast radius save him from clones that would literally materialize out of nowhere behind him? And who would be strong enough to pin him down with their LS and deal damage?

When has Kaneki ever used clones?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Scaling chains often land you to be on par with someone with a greater value. If anything the whole "much hotter" argument will just make it so Genos can match Tatara's flames, not be above it or even be enough to overwhelm Kaneki's resistance.

As for this match, Genos can win if he overwhelms Kaneki before he goes kakuja, if he fails then Kaneki just wins

When has Kaneki ever used clones?

Never. He is probably bringing it up because of the whole "can copy any kagune" thing

 

[Kachon123]

Kaneki simply didn't let Genos get close enough. His analytical prediction, skills, and formless attacks will do the trick. And his superiority in LS will allow him to tie Genos down with his kagune.

RE Kaneki is enough to first rise from the level of "At least 7-C+" to the one who oneshot "At least 7-C+" and a couple of minutes later, with a second increase in strength, he rose from this level to "Low 7-B+"

Genos is far too fast for Kaneki at his peak. Kaneki absolutely would not be capable of consistently reacting to his attacks. He has no answer to internal damage via explosions which would reduce him a state worse than mush and Greater Electricity Manipulation that allows Genos to fry an one-shot characters who already scale above Kaneki's value.

Kaneki's analytical prediction is worse than Genos' and only really works if he's capable of seeing Genos. Genos' speed amps are so great that he like would not be able to do this.

 

[Kachon123]

clones didn't show regeneration, but how would Genos' blast radius save him from clones that would literally materialize out of nowhere behind him? And who would be strong enough to pin him down with their LS and deal damage?

Genos has

• Greater Enhanced Senses, Extrasensory Perception & Information Analysis (With his Search Eye, Genos is capable of tracking and following individuals that can blitz him. Can detect numbers from a group of life-forces, and was able to determine that a crowd he sensed were actually clones. Can sense detect the strength and speed of opponents from a range. Genos is equipped with a high-performance computer that allowed him to calculate and determine the trajectory, speed, and impact of the Giant Meteor)

His supercomputer inside his body as well as sensors would allow him to sense and predict anything Kaneki throws at him.

Genos' much greater speed, mobility, and range lets him take care of them easily. Greater LS doesn't matter when Genos is capable of exploding while pinned down and is also capable of detaching limbs and attacks like Lightning Eye he can use to instantly blind and stun opponents.

 

[NikHelton]

Genos is far too fast for Kaneki at his peak.

Prove it. Kaneki's AD allows him to blitz opponents who were suppressing or keeping up with him seconds earlier.
It feels like you're completely unfamiliar with the character and are trying to judge him while ignoring the facts.
Genos also doesn't start the fight with a boost. Considering he'll have an AP advantage at the start, he'll clearly underestimate Kaneki like he did earlier

Kaneki absolutely would not be capable of consistently reacting to his attacks. He has no answer to internal damage via explosions which would reduce him a state worse than mush and Greater Electricity Manipulation that allows Genos to fry an one-shot characters who already scale above Kaneki's value.

I don't know why you so stubbornly ignore Kaneki's Resistence, relying on incomprehensible chains.
Kaneki has shown resistance to higher heat and electricity. That's enough.
Genos will never get close to Kaneki to burn him from the inside. At the very least, the force field will stop him. At the most, he will be torn apart by the kagune.

Kaneki's analytical prediction is worse than Genos' and only really works if he's capable of seeing Genos. Genos' speed amps are so great that he like would not be able to do this.

TG char actively fights opponents who hit from their blind spots and fight them without even looking.
If Genos was so good in this aspect, then such an amateur as Face Ripper would not cause him problems.
I repeat once again - Genos often underestimates opponents and actively uses close combat. After the first hit, Kaneki's RE will even out the stats

 

[NikHelton]

When has Kaneki ever used clones?

What is your opinion about the match?

 

[Catbowtie]

Voting Genos FRA because of Kachon’s arguments.

 

[Arkenis]

What is your opinion about the match?

leaning towards Genos

 

[Kachon123]

Prove it. Kaneki's AD allows him to blitz opponents who were suppressing or keeping up with him seconds earlier.
It feels like you're completely unfamiliar with the character and are trying to judge him while ignoring the facts.
Genos also doesn't start the fight with a boost. Considering he'll have an AP advantage at the start, he'll clearly underestimate Kaneki like he did earlier

I'm not completely unaware of the character. You just have not brought sufficient proof. And it's honestly quite ironic you say that about me when you said that Genos doesn't start his fight with his amps when he's started out with it in

Every
Single
Fight
He's
Been
In.

Genos has no reason to underestimate Kaneki. He can sense Kaneki's power, will identify him as a monster, and will apply maximum aggression from the start of the fight until either of their deaths.

I don't know why you so stubbornly ignore Kaneki's Resistence, relying on incomprehensible chains.
Kaneki has shown resistance to higher heat and electricity. That's enough.
Genos will never get close to Kaneki to burn him from the inside. At the very least, the force field will stop him. At the most, he will be torn apart by the kagune.

Send proof of what Kaneki can resist. Genos has been amplifying his electricity manipulation from his first model. His High Voltage Electricity Fist is able to electrocute targets and destroy them with ease.

TG char actively fights opponents who hit from their blind spots and fight them without even looking.
If Genos was so good in this aspect, then such an amateur as Face Ripper would not cause him problems.
I repeat once again - Genos often underestimates opponents and actively uses close combat. After the first hit, Kaneki's RE will even out the stats

Face Ripper did not "cause Genos problems." Genos literally said that he was deliberately leading Face Ripper on so that he'd hit the hard part on the top of his head.

 

[NikHelton]

I'm not completely unaware of the character. You just have not brought sufficient proof. And it's honestly quite ironic you say that about me when you said that Genos doesn't start his fight with his amps when he's started out with it in

Every
Single
Fight
He's
Been
In.

Genos has no reason to underestimate Kaneki. He can sense Kaneki's power, will identify him as a monster, and will apply maximum aggression from the start of the fight until either of their deaths.

Send proof of what Kaneki can resist. Genos has been amplifying his electricity manipulation from his first model. His High Voltage Electricity Fist is able to electrocute targets and destroy them with ease.

Face Ripper did not "cause Genos problems." Genos literally said that he was deliberately leading Face Ripper on so that he'd hit the hard part on the top of his head.

There's definitely a difference between the boost you showed and the boost he used against Sonic. We were never shown that the normal boost from the jet flame allowed him to blitz characters with analytical prediction.

You can see Kaneki's resistance to electricity on his page.

I have to admit, though, that I really screwed up. I thought 300 KT scaled to both physical power and explosions. However, considering that in the previous keys it was 7-C for physical power and High 7-C for explosions and those proportions should also apply to Post-G4, it's indeed a oneshot, but not due to high heat, but due to overwhelming power. Sorry for missing that detail.

In that case, wouldn't it be better to use Genos' Post-VGS key?

 

[Kachon123]

There's definitely a difference between the boost you showed and the boost he used against Sonic. We were never shown that the normal boost from the jet flame allowed him to blitz characters with analytical prediction.

All of the boosts I sent were blitz amps and not al; of them were the ones he used against Sonic. Genos has access to that here anyways and he will use both in-character. Analytical prediction is based on sight. If you're unable to see your opponent then it won't be nearly as effective. That's one of the biggest limitations of the ability in general.

You can see Kaneki's resistance to electricity on his page.

I mean yeah that's just standard electricity resistance, not getting electrocuted by an attack.

Genos has very high voltage and amped electricity, greater than earlier keys where he could also electrocute and fry opponents. Given Genos also has the higher AP, I don't see why Kaneki would be able to no-sell these blows.

I have to admit, though, that I really screwed up. I thought 300 KT scaled to both physical power and explosions. However, considering that in the previous keys it was 7-C for physical power and High 7-C for explosions and those proportions should also apply to Post-G4, it's indeed a oneshot, but not due to high heat, but due to overwhelming power. Sorry for missing that detail.

In that case, wouldn't it be better to use Genos' Post-VGS key?

No

 

[NikHelton]

All of the boosts I sent were blitz amps and not al; of them were the ones he used against Sonic. Genos has access to that here anyways and he will use both in-character. Analytical prediction is based on sight. If you're unable to see your opponent then it won't be nearly as effective. That's one of the biggest limitations of the ability in general.

All of the boosts I sent were blitz amps and not al; of them were the ones he used against Sonic. Genos has access to that here anyways and he will use both in-character. Analytical prediction is based on sight. If you're unable to see your opponent then it won't be nearly as effective. That's one of the biggest limitations of the ability in general.

It was either against slower characters or didn't work against faster ones. The only blitz booster you threw was against Sonic and even Genos' profile lists him as the strongest.

I mean yeah that's just standard electricity resistance, not getting electrocuted by an attack.
Genos has very high voltage and amped electricity, greater than earlier keys where he could also electrocute and fry opponents. Given Genos also has the higher AP, I don't see why Kaneki would be able to no-sell these blows.

Just because Genos had electricity around him during his attacks doesn't mean that they were purely electricity-based attacks.
Just because Genos got stronger doesn't mean that Kaneki stops resisting it.

No

Why not? This will give Kaneki an advantage in physical stats and Genos won't be able to oneshot him with a single explosion. The battle will be more balanced

 

[Kachon123]

It was either against slower characters or didn't work against faster ones. The only blitz booster you threw was against Sonic and even Genos' profile lists him as the strongest.

This is just false. It allowed Genos to blitz a Hydrated Deep Sea King and move FTE compared to his base movements on several occasions. Even without powering up and layering his other boosters, they have been described as having "super ultra high acceleration" so trying to argue against its speed will get you nowhere.

Just because Genos had electricity around him during his attacks doesn't mean that they were purely electricity-based attacks.
Just because Genos got stronger doesn't mean that Kaneki stops resisting it.

Genos has enhanced electricity on his profile for a reason. You can not debate this without showing Kaneki fully resist and no-sell attacks like Genos'

Greater Electricity Manipulation

 

[NikHelton]

Okay, I changed Genos' key. Now it's 7-C for physical attacks and High 7-C for canons.

 

[Kachon123]

Unfollowing

 

[NikHelton]

Unfollowing

 

[Arkenis]

Why was it changed and what does this change? And how does Genos get over the ap difference?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

How will Genos counter Kaneki's RE, high-mid regen, heat resistance, force fields and doppelgangers?

I will advise you to answer all the things you want in the same message, if you want to follow it or not is your choice

 

[NikHelton]

I will advise you to answer all the things you want in the same message, if you want to follow it or not is your choice

Sorry, my translator can't translate this properly, and my English is too weak for me to translate it myself.
Can you rephrase the idea a little, please?

 

[NikHelton]

Why was it changed and what does this change? And how does Genos get over the ap difference?

I didn't take into account the fact that High 7-C scales to physical strength, and IC is many times greater than physical strength and it will be a oneshot.
Leveling the initial keys to 7-C eliminates the possibility of a oneshot in the first second of the fight. Otherwise, it would be a stomp. Although you can leave Post-G4, using the 7-C key with IC and Boost High 7-C

 

[Arkenis]

But now Kaneki can one shot and Genos can't really.

 

[NikHelton]

But now Kaneki can one shot and Genos can't really.

The difference of 2.75 is not enough for oneshot.
For RE and AD, you need to take damage.
Genos, in turn, knows how to accelerate, the High 7-C key from the very start and can use this

 

[Arkenis]

The difference of 2.75 is not enough for oneshot.
For RE and AD, you need to take damage.
Genos, in turn, knows how to accelerate, the High 7-C key from the very start and can use this

Kaneki’s 4megatons while Genos is only 300kt. Thats well over 2x

 

[NikHelton]

Kaneki’s 4megatons while Genos is only 300kt. Thats well over 2x

Kaneki starts with 88 CT, but can reach 4 MT through RE
Genos has 32 CT for physical stats and 300 CT for Boosts Attack and Canon

Kaneki wins in a long fight, but at the very beginning there is an AP advantage for Genos

 

[NikHelton]

I will advise you to answer all the things you want in the same message, if you want to follow it or not is your choice

Anyway, if you have any arguments about this fight, I'd be interested to hear them.

 

[NikHelton]

Bump

 

[NikHelton]

Bump