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-Kaneki vs Genos-

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  • Speed Equalized;
  • Kaneki (Post-Dragon) - At least 88 Kilotons of TNT, up to 4,33 Megatons of TNT;
  • Genos (Post-VGS) - At least 32 Kilotons of TNT, 303 Kilotons with Boost and Inceration Cannons;
  • Distance - 10 meters;
  • Place of battle: 23 Ward next to the Dragon Nest.
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Where does it state that?

Also, Genos has Electricity manipulation so Genos will likely fry Kaneki from the inside out.
Check out Kaneki's profile. Ghouls resist Tatara's heat, which reaches 4000 degrees.
Kaneki also resists Narukami's electricity, so it won't work on him.

Genos, on the other hand, has shown no resistance to electricity, so it might work on him.
 
Check out Kaneki's profile. Ghouls resist Tatara's heat, which reaches 4000 degrees.
Kaneki also resists Narukami's electricity, so it won't work on him.

Genos, on the other hand, has shown no resistance to electricity, so it might work on him.
Genos has been stated to be able to melt iron in his earliest key, and he has melted and vaporize steel in the past, which scales above 3500ºC.

Genos himself uses electricity in most of his attacks so yes he resists it.
 
Well I guess their hax won't work on each other and it's a battle of physical strength and skill
Can you send me an image of ghouls withstanding Tatara's heat? Beginning of series Genos' heat scaled to around the same heat that Kaneki can withstand. Genos went through a series of upgrades, and even by upgrade 2, the databook noted Genos' heat to have "increased dramatically."

Genos is capable of burning and straight up vaporizing people who could resist and facetank his heat beforehand, including "ghosts" of himself. Genos also often uses his heat blasts in close range for durability negation. Does Kaneki have any answer for this?
 
Can you send me an image of ghouls withstanding Tatara's heat? Beginning of series Genos' heat scaled to around the same heat that Kaneki can withstand. Genos went through a series of upgrades, and even by upgrade 2, the databook noted Genos' heat to have "increased dramatically."
Yes, of course. Tatara's flames exceed 4000°C and become even hotter during the fight with Houji due to his furious sense of revenge.

Takizawa can withstand these flames even without a kagune, and then completely ignores them. Mado's Quinque also protects her from the heat, and Kaneki's kagune completely surpasses it. Post-Dragon Kaneki is essentially a living kagune, so he can easily withstand this
Genos is capable of burning and straight up vaporizing people who could resist and facetank his heat beforehand, including "ghosts" of himself. Genos also often uses his heat blasts in close range for durability negation. Does Kaneki have any answer for this?
As you can see in the image, he needs to get close and attack the victim's face. Kaneki simply won't let him do that.

I feel like Kaneki keeps losing these matches
Why? While Genos has one layer of acceleration, Kaneki has RE, which allows him to blitz those who surpassed him seconds ago. At first, the battle is going at equal speeds. Kaneki is getting faster. Genos uses acceleration. Kaneki gets faster once more. Although Genos has superior AP at the beginning of a fight, it's not enough to kill with a single hit. Kaneki just gets stronger and takes the AP advantage. This is especially effective when Genos underestimates his opponents.His doppelgangers can also materialize behind Genos for a surprise strike.
 
Yes, of course. Tatara's flames exceed 4000°C and become even hotter during the fight with Houji due to his furious sense of revenge.

Takizawa can withstand these flames even without a kagune, and then completely ignores them. Mado's Quinque also protects her from the heat, and Kaneki's kagune completely surpasses it. Post-Dragon Kaneki is essentially a living kagune, so he can easily withstand this
I mean sure, but beginning of series Genos could withstand the heat of his own >3500ºC incineration cannons point blank. Genos one key before this would one-shot that version of Genos with his heat-based attacks as well as Mosquito Girl and Deep Sea King (both being characters who could withstand the heat from earlier Genos' incineration cannons).

This version of Genos far upscales and have many different modes to increase the potency of his heat. Kaneki not just going to tank it.
As you can see in the image, he needs to get close and attack the victim's face. Kaneki simply won't let him do that.
Genos has many speed amps. As well as adhesives to trap Kaneki momentarily.
 
Can you send me an image of ghouls withstanding Tatara's heat?

Beginning of series Genos' heat scaled to around the same heat that Kaneki can withstand. Genos went through a series of upgrades, and even by upgrade 2, the databook noted Genos' heat to have "increased dramatically."

Genos is capable of burning and straight up vaporizing people who could resist and facetank his heat beforehand, including "ghosts" of himself
This would still be unquantifiable above 3500°C, the wiki gives priority to quantifiable values so 4000°C is still above an unquantifiable increase.
Genos also often uses his heat blasts in close range for durability negation. Does Kaneki have any answer for this?
This is dura neg through heat, Kaneki's heat resistance is enough.

This Kaneki is able to regenerate from a puddle of blood, which is a huge advantage in this battle.
 
This would still be unquantifiable above 3500°C, the wiki gives priority to quantifiable values so 4000°C is still above an unquantifiable increase.
It's true that the wiki gives priority to quantifiable values but it's also true that scaling chains exist in debates for a reason as well. It's pretty clear that Kaneki isn't just going to be taking Genos' blast like he's taking a bath. Especially not if Genos spams them like he usually does and amps himself further. AP is also a factor and Genos has higher of that.
This is dura neg through heat, Kaneki's heat resistance is enough.

This Kaneki is able to regenerate from a puddle of blood, which is a huge advantage in this battle.
The majority of even human's heat resistance comes from the skin. Is there proof Kaneki's heat resistance extends to the boiling point of his blood, the heat resistance of his organs, and the inner lining of his body? Given the AP gap this is definitely an issue. Regeneration can only take you so far.
 
Kaneki can also use Donato's Kagune and create clones of himself. Genos would have to deal with several Kaneki, with High-Mid regen, enough AP to hurt him and enough heat resistance to resist his attacks.
 
Kaneki can also use Donato's Kagune and create clones of himself. Genos would have to deal with several Kaneki, with High-Mid regen, enough AP to hurt him and enough heat resistance to resist his attacks.

Genos is capable of creating minimum of 300 meter wide explosions. That shouldn't be the biggest issue.
 
It's true that the wiki gives priority to quantifiable values but it's also true that scaling chains exist in debates for a reason as well. It's pretty clear that Kaneki isn't just going to be taking Genos' blast like he's taking a bath. Especially not if Genos spams them like he usually does and amps himself further. AP is also a factor and Genos has higher of that.
Kaneki will ignore Genos' heat for the simple fact that he scales to a higher heat value.
The majority of even human's heat resistance comes from the skin. Is there proof Kaneki's heat resistance extends to the boiling point of his blood, the heat resistance of his organs, and the inner lining of his body? Given the AP gap this is definitely an issue. Regeneration can only take you so far.
Tatara flames are literally produced inside Tatara, the internals obviously resist.
 
Genos is capable of creating minimum of 300 meter wide explosions. That shouldn't be the biggest issue.
Genos has no way of dealing with regeneration, his only chance would be to vaporize Kaneki's blood. Which won't happen because the Ghouls' resistance encompasses the internal including the blood.

And Genos doesn't have AP to oneshot Kaneki.
 
Kaneki will ignore Genos' heat for the simple fact that he scales to a higher heat value.
Yeah, no. That's not how heat works, at all. Heat transfer very much is a thing. Especially when the numerical gap is only that of 500ºC? Like I said, Genos spamming his heat attacks like he usually does is enough for Kaneki to feel it after only a handful of moments at best.
Tatara flames are literally produced inside Tatara, the internals obviously resist.
That doesn't mean his internals are as durable. It's durability negation for a reason. Genos has the superior AP by 3.45x, which is quite significant in the context of a fight
 
Genos has no way of dealing with regeneration, his only chance would be to vaporize Kaneki's blood. Which won't happen because the Ghouls' resistance encompasses the internal including the blood.
I'd have to see some hard proof that their blood can resist heat of over 3500ºC without boiling away. That's a pretty ridiculous claim otherwise.
 
Yeah, no. That's not how heat works, at all. Heat transfer very much is a thing. Especially when the numerical gap is only that of 500ºC? Like I said, Genos spamming his heat attacks like he usually does is enough for Kaneki to feel it after only a handful of moments at best.
Yeah, no. Takizawa was on fire for an entire fight and didn't feel a thing.
That doesn't mean his internals are as durable. It's durability negation for a reason. Genos has the superior AP by 3.45x, which is quite significant in the context of a fight
I'm talking about heat, Genos doesn't have enough heat to vaporize Kaneki's blood.
 
Kaneki becomes stronger as he takes damage, so much so that he oneshots those who destroyed him seconds earlier.
Yes but if he's getting blown up from the inside out I don't see how he can come back to "oneshot" Genos. It's also still a 3.45x gap, is there proof that he can ump that much instantly?
 
I'd have to see some hard proof that their blood can resist heat of over 3500ºC without boiling away. That's a pretty ridiculous claim otherwise.
Here, when Takizawa pierces Tatara we see that the flames are generated in the stomach, as the flames come out from where he was pierced. When Tatara's Kakuja deactivates we see that the blood from the wound has not evaporated.
 
Here, when Takizawa pierces Tatara we see that the flames are generated in the stomach, as the flames come out from where he was pierced. When Tatara's Kakuja deactivates we see that the blood from the wound has not evaporated.

If anything the flames would be produced in the lungs, but it doesn't really matter either way

Being stabbed in the torso and blood continuing to flow out despite fire being in your lungs/stomach doesn't mean your blood has a heightened boiling point, that's a huge reach. The amount of blood in the human body is extremely large it's not just going to boil away because of that.
 
If anything the flames would be produced in the lungs, but it doesn't really matter either way

Being stabbed in the torso and blood continuing to flow out despite fire being in your lungs/stomach doesn't mean your blood has a heightened boiling point, that's a huge reach. The amount of blood in the human body is extremely large it's not just going to boil away because of that.
This would be valid if we were talking about a kitchen fire, 4000°C would literally evaporate blood on contact. The flames literally passed through the wound.
 
This would be valid if we were talking about a kitchen fire, 4000°C would literally evaporate blood on contact. The flames literally passed through the wound.
Not in large quantities like a gaping hole in the torso, lol. Which was my point.
 
Not in large quantities like a gaping hole in the torso, lol. Which was my point.
I think you are not understanding the scale of 4000°C, blood starts to evaporate around 100°C. 4000°C is so much higher than necessary that in-contact vaporization is the minimum that will happen, plasma generation, pyrolysis and steam explosion can occur because of the heat level. To give you an idea, the surface of the sun has a heat of 5500°C.
 
If anything the flames would be produced in the lungs, but it doesn't really matter either way

Being stabbed in the torso and blood continuing to flow out despite fire being in your lungs/stomach doesn't mean your blood has a heightened boiling point, that's a huge reach. The amount of blood in the human body is extremely large it's not just going to boil away because of that.
It doesn't really matter. Kagune is completely immune to flames, and Kaneki's Post-Dragon is essentially a living kagune. It is immune to heat.
 
I think you are not understanding the scale of 4000°C, blood starts to evaporate around 100°C. 4000°C is so much higher than necessary that in-contact vaporization is the minimum that will happen, plasma generation, pyrolysis and steam explosion can occur because of the heat level. To give you an idea, the surface of the sun has a heat of 5500°C.
There were no flames touching the blood pouring out the wound. The heat exposure would be minimum if his lungs had enough heat resistance to contain them in the first place.
 
There were no flames touching the blood pouring out the wound. The heat exposure would be minimum if his lungs had enough heat resistance to contain them in the first place.
I'm not talking about this scan. The order of the event was as follows: Takizawa pierces Tatara Kakuja form › Kakuja deactivates due to the injury.

When Takizawa pierced Tatara, flames came out along with the attack.

Here, when Takizawa pierces Tatara we see that the flames are generated in the stomach, as the flames come out from where he was pierced. When Tatara's Kakuja deactivates we see that the blood from the wound has not evaporated.
 
I'm not talking about this scan. The order of the event was as follows: Takizawa pierces Tatara Kakuja form › Kakuja deactivates due to the injury.

When Takizawa pierced Tatara, flames came out along with the attack.

I'm fully aware. Tatara got pierced and flames got pushed out. You zoomed into his torso wound to say that flames got pushed out from the other side of Tatara's back, but flames only out came out of his mouth. You can see a cleaŕ difference between the flames pushed out his mouth as opposed to what you circled in the imgur album. All there is is blood. The fact that flames got pushed out of Tatara's mouth very strongly implies that the flames were generated in his lungs. Flame generation originsting in the lungs means that his lungs get heat resistance. This means that the heat from the flames wouldn’t be reaching outside of the lungs normally. This means that for his blood to get any type of heat resistance, his lungs would have need to hsve gotten punctured. Getting stabbed in the torso does not necessitate lung puncture, and in fact most of everything points to the opposite being true.

Firstly, the wound itself was inflicted on an area the lungs would not be anywhere near. Secondly, if the lungs were punctured and Tatara's blood had relative heat resistance, proportional amounts of blood would have been expelled from his mouth at the same time the flamed did.
 
It doesn't really matter. Kagune is completely immune to flames, and Kaneki's Post-Dragon is essentially a living kagune. It is immune to heat.
Resistance ≠ Immunity unless otherwise stated in the profiles.
With that, Genos FRA.
 
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