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Bluegrass' alone is 4.
This is the same for Kenbun, let alone Future Sight, which is literally seeing into the future. Unless 3T Sharingan allows literal future sight divination, she's not dodging for shit. She's getting blitzed.
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Yamato (One Piece) vs Sarada
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Well, we have mutliple translations for it now as there is one in the imgur link you original provided too. So I don't know that the interpretation is incorrect yet.
And anyway, there's effectively no known comparison between Bluegrass' ability and Sarada's Genjutsu. I don't see how the two can be quanitifed to know that Sarada's Genjutsu wouldn't work on Yamato.
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@Dark_Soul20189 downgrade ftl one piece
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You're no longer making sense. Even if bluegrass is 100 layers it's irrelevant because those below her don't have resistance to her ability. She has the ability, people with higher Haki than her i.e advanced have baseline resistance. You can't give people lower than her layers of resistance to something they can't resist in the first place.
Even if I could see 1hr into the future sure it gives an edge but if it's too fast for you then it's too fast. I simply disagree with you. Stop trying to over quantify blitz amps
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No we know what the correct translation is. The first one be interpreted in any way but we know from context (haki range = distance makes no sense + we know haki potency would apply here) and a more accurate translation that isn't from a machine that it's about strength.
I was referring to body control and paralysis, not illusions.
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Okay, I don't agree with you but I'll drop it there.
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What? Bluegrass was able to override the control of Vegapunk. Vegapunk's control completely surpasses those below him, Sentomaru and someone with the Authority Chip to where the Pacifista would completely resist and be immune to their orders that they would otherwise would follow. Bluegrass' is over Vegapunk, which is over Sentomaru, which is over the Authority Chip. That is 4 layers.
How am I guilty of this when that is what Godernet did? I'm not "over quantifying" blitz amps. I'm making a fact that the Sharingan's precog does not give her the ability to avoid Thunder Bagua when superior precog has failed to do the same.
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Huh?!? That's not how layering works, is it...? Issuing orders to the Pacifista isn't done through mind control / body control, or any kind of supernatural ability. It's just the Pacifista's recognizing who is in the command hierarchy and able to issue them orders.
Vegapunk having higer credentials than Sentomaru isn't adding a layer to anything.
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Hm? No it's not? They are literally augmented and it's programmed in their bloodline element to follow orders even if they resist. Only super strong for example that of a conqueror like Boa Hancock that carried over through S-Snake's DNA could momentarily resist the programming.
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That's not different layers though depending on who is giving the order; it's all the same programming for the Pacifistas.
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1. None of the prior you just stated is mind control. It is just orders giving in terms of chain of command. Bluegrass making them go against them is what gives her mind control. Then someone with higher Haki than her who resists it gives them resistance i.e baseline that's all.
2. You're arguing with me and not once in my argument did I mention sharingan precog. I mentioned reactions and perceptions. You're the one mentioning precog like seeing ahead in the future somehow amps your speed. No it just helps you plan ahead
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Sarada's is only 2. Even if Bluegrass' is just one layer Yamato's scales much higher.
I hope you realize Kenbun has the same right? I've been arguing both since both Kenbun and Sharingan have.... both.
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My point is that it's not only a simple "they recognize who the orders are from and don't listen to anyone else" since even if they wanted to they wouldn't be able to resist. It took Boa Hancock's DNA to do so momentarily.
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1. Baseline ≠ layered
Yamato is just one layer above
2. You mention 2 blitz amps covered and I did the same and more and you're trying to hinge your argument on "5secs into the future" .
You created a requirement yourself "if she doesn't see 5secs into the future she gets blitz" and somehow expect I must follow that requirement. Nope based on what I can see no one is blitzing anyone. She has a speed edge that's all.
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The authority chip's control is already baseline. Bluegrass would be one layer, and Yamato would not even be 2, but closer to 4 or 5 since she matched Ace's to a stalemate.
If their reaction amps both cover 2 blitz amps and Sarada has analytical prediction based on dynamic vision while the Yamato can blitz precog to see more than several seconds into the future, Sarada is getting blitzed.
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That's not how it works. The authority chip isn't baseline resistance. It's just mind control. It's bluegrass is where the resistance actually begins .
Yamato would just be above that's all.
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And her resistances still scale above the potency of Sarada's hax (2 afaik).
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I have layers into technology manipulation, baseline for Asus who created my computer, 1 layer for Microsoft because of windows and 2 layers for me because I'm admin. So that's how it works? I thought it was harder to get layers.
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Being obtuse on purpose is not an argument nor is it a desirable personality trait.
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That's how you describe it working.
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It's a lack of understanding on your part in that case because I never once did that.
The Pacifista Authority Hierarchy isn’t like stacking admin privileges on a computer. It’s not just about who has more general control. The higher someone is on the hierarchy, the more absolute their control is over the Pacifista. Anyone lower on the list can’t do anything to reverse or interfere with the induced action of someone above them, even if they normally would have control.
Take Sentomaru, for example. He’s #3, and even though people with the authority chip (#4) can usually give orders, they’re completely blocked from doing so if Sentomaru’s already issued a command. And if Vegapunk, who’s #2, gives an order, even Sentomaru can’t override it.
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That's exactly what it is, neither the chip, sentomaru or Vegapunk actually has mind manipulation powers, the pacifists just recognize their authority, because they were programmed for that. The orders of those with higher authority overrule those with lower authority, it's just like comparing the orders given by a Sargent vs those of a private, the orders given by the Sargent are "absolute l" in comparison to those of a private. None of that means layers.
Anyways it doesn't matter since none of that was approved in the wiki.
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The authority chip actively overrides the individual will of the person under control, forcing them to follow orders.
Sentomaru’s control being trumped by someone higher in the hierarchy like Vegapunk isn’t just a chain of command thing, it’s an override that directly shuts down lower authority, regardless of intent. It’s not that the Pacifista ‘respects’ the higher rank—it’s that it’s literally unable to carry out lower-ranked commands once a higher one is in effect.
That’s what makes this a resistance-based tier system. The authority hierarchy isn't just passive, it actively bypasses any control the lower level should have had. If someone at Tier 4 (chip holders) gives a command, and then Tier 3 (Sentomaru) gives a conflicting one, the Tier 4 command doesn’t just get ignored, it’s automatically nullified. And the same happens when Vegapunk at Tier 2 steps in: even Sentomaru’s override gets overridden.
It's functionally no different than how VSBW works with hax layering—where one ability’s effect is outright resisted or bypassed by a higher-tier version. If someone can resist teleportation at Layer 1, but gets mind-controlled by someone at Layer 2, that’s a clear demonstration of layered resistance. The authority hierarchy works the same way: it’s a stack of overrides where each tier works based on resistances and nullifies the previous one. We see this with both the Seraphim and Pacifista.
And if you want to argue that several layers isn't currently accepted that's fine because it still counts as one layer at the bare minimum based on function. Bluegrass' by transitive property would be 2, and Yamato's already scales above this through Ace and Bonney.
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No, that's not how it works, a pacifist is given an order if then a person with higher authority shows up and tells them a different order they will ignore the order given by the lowest authority because their priority is inferior.
They are not using different and more powerful mind control abilities, the "system" that pacifists works on will just override the order with inferior level just like a computer ignoring the order of a guest because an admin has higher rank.
You are adding layers that are not accepted so no you cannot, it's not because it's just 1 extra layer that you can add without being accepted. Yamato is not accepted has having those layers so you cannot assume them.
Anyways this fight should just be added grace already ended and it doesn't seem like anyone changed their vote even after this discussion.
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Yamato quite literally is accepted as scaling to Ace's Haki. She also scales above Bonney's and to Greenbull's, who both directly scale above Bluegrass'.
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Scaling does not mean accepted layers.
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my vote was not added, sarada FRA.
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She has accepted layers.
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Not the ones you are talking about.
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Why not?
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Hierarchy ≠ layers. There has to be resistance in between the chart you showed for layers to be acknowledged.
And her resistances still scale above the potency of Sarada's hax (2 afaik).
Heck we're arguing about layers not even accepted
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Where does the notion "Precognition is better than Analytical Prediction" stem from? In the end both can see the future. No matter what the former sees, the latter can still predict how they'll act depending on the mechanics of the latter. and vice versa.
Playing rock, paper scissors and you foresee your opponent throws rock but then they read your muscle movement and see you'll throw paper so they change to scissors, you foresee that and decide to throw rock, they predict that and go with paper, rinse and repeat. I t all comes down to how the person decides to respond to what they forsee, that decision has to be made. At the end of the day neither is innately better than the other
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^this
The difference pm only matters in practical use when their weaknesses can be exploited bc otherwise it’s two abilities that provide you with future knowledge that help inform your counter attacks with no real caveats otherwise.
If Yamato can’t exploit the weakness in Sharingan Analytical prediction she might as well be being hit with Future Sight.
The difference pm only matters in practical use when their weaknesses can be exploited bc otherwise it’s two abilities that provide you with future knowledge that help inform your counter attacks with no real caveats otherwise.
If Yamato can’t exploit the weakness in Sharingan Analytical prediction she might as well be being hit with Future Sight.
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Yamato is capable of fighting expert Haki users like Kaidou, Luffy, and Ace, and she herself has it. She does not need to "exploit the weakness in Sharingan" because she herself will be seeing the same stuff, just with far more experience fighting people with precog.
Difference is Yamato is far faster in her Hybrid form than she is her her base, which speed is equalized to. This means that Yamato will always be a step ahead.
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I can't seem to find layered mind manipulation anywhere on her profile
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That's great. Now link where vegapunk layered mind manipulation was accepted
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