Jing Yuan vs Mori Dan (0-0-0)

[Johner2133451]

Jing Yuan

Jing Yuan (景元Jǐng Yuán?) is the Xianzhou Luofu's Arbiter-General, and although his appearance may be one of indolence, the Cloud Knight general who commands the Xianzhou Luofu is more meticulous than seemingly meets the eye. He does not consider saving a situation from the brink of disaster to...

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Mori Dan

17 years after Mujin Park's betrayal, Mori Jin became a name of infamy and terror. Forced into hiding, Mori Jin became Mori Dan to protect both him and his adopted sister, Ahan Dan. After revealing his identity to the world, he - with assistance from allies - would go on to wage war against...

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Speed equalized

Jing (50.9 YottaFoe)

Jin Mori at Post Jung (13.5 YottaFoe)

Jing:
Mori Dan:
Incon:

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

My dude what is she supposed to do against mid godly

 

[Robo432343]

My dude what is she supposed to do against mid godly

mori FRA

 

[Johner2133451]

My dude what is she supposed to do against mid godly

It's a summon, Mori himself doesn't have it

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

It's a summon, Mori himself doesn't have it

Whats the argument for both sides

 

[Johner2133451]

Whats the argument for both sides

Mori has skill advantage while Stelle has damage reduction

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Mori has skill advantage while Stelle has damage reduction

erm

• Damage Reduction (Even in a tattered version, the Dragon Armorsuits reduce the damage to a point enemies previously stronger than the wielder do no damage[27])

 

[Johner2133451]

erm

• Damage Reduction (Even in a tattered version, the Dragon Armorsuits reduce the damage to a point enemies previously stronger than the wielder do no damage[27])

So Stelle has 70% reduction and 30% stats amp, kinda like no damage thing

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

So Stelle has 70% reduction and 30% stats amp, kinda like no damage thing

is it quantifiable how big his damage reduction is

 

[Johner2133451]

is it quantifiable how big his damage reduction is

I'm assuming it's around 7.5x reduction since the person stronger cannot damage mori with armour

 

[Johner2133451]

I rechecked both profiles it seems both have tons of stat amps and reductions. Almost equal actually

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I'm assuming it's around 7.5x reduction since the person stronger cannot damage mori with armour

So what you’re saying is her strongest attack ultimate is over 3 times weaker than his durability with the armor alongside instinctive reaction, limited dura neg, analytical prediction, summons with mid godly, skill gap, etc. Keep in mind her strongest attack only being a charged up baseball bat. What’s her win con

 

[Voidnether]

Incon, both are pretty sure equal in statistics in the end regardless and with how both of them are Extraordinary Genius in combat.

 

[Johner2133451]

So what you’re saying is her strongest attack ultimate is over 3 times weaker than his durability with the armor alongside instinctive reaction, limited dura neg, analytical prediction, summons with mid godly, skill gap, etc. Keep in mind her strongest attack only being a charged up baseball bat. What’s her win con

Danmaku spam and range. Jin mori is lacking range and since this is SBA, they both start at 2 km

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Danmaku spam and range. Jin mori is lacking range and since this is SBA, they both start at 2 km

The danmaku from the harmony path doesn’t have good attack multipliers and we don’t know how break effect functions in cross versus. If the damage reduction is genuinely 7.5x then it’s not doing damage.

 

[Johner2133451]

The danmaku from the harmony path doesn’t have good attack multipliers and we don’t know how break effect functions in cross versus. If the damage reduction is genuinely 7.5x then it’s not doing damage.

Void nether mentions their stats reduct and amps are equal so it comes down to other things they have

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I'm assuming it's around 7.5x reduction since the person stronger cannot damage mori with armour

without proper statements you cannot assume the quantification of multiplier or damage reduction without further context, you should ask some GOH supporter how that scan works

 

[Johner2133451]

without proper statements you cannot assume the quantification of multiplier or damage reduction without further context, you should ask some GOH supporter how that scan works

So who wins for now for you

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

without proper statements you cannot assume the quantification of multiplier or damage reduction without further context, you should ask some GOH supporter how that scan works

This entire fight hinges on whether or not she can actually do crap against that damage reduction otherwise it’s cooked.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

This entire fight hinges on whether or not she can actually do crap against that damage reduction otherwise it’s cooked.

well i think it just makes that attacks lower than his dura are useless, stelle has genuine stat amps from preservation and destruction skills so its not a problem (she also has acces to this LC

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

well i think it just makes that attacks lower than his dura are useless, stelle has genuine stat amps from preservation and destruction skills so its not a problem (she also has acces to this LC

The description just says attacks stronger than the wielder does no damage

• Damage Reduction (Even in a tattered version, the Dragon Armorsuits reduce the damage to a point enemies previously stronger than the wielder do no damage[27])

 

[PedjaTarzan]

The description just says attacks stronger than the wielder does no damage

• Damage Reduction (Even in a tattered version, the Dragon Armorsuits reduce the damage to a point enemies previously stronger than the wielder do no damage[27])

previously stronger, problem is stelle starts at 5.9 yottafoe and he starts at 13, so hes one whos stronger and after stelle gets stat amps the DMG reduction will not work as this is the first time shes one whos stronger (if this is how scan works lol)

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

previously stronger, problem is stelle starts at 5.9 yottafoe and he starts at 13, so hes one whos stronger and after stelle gets stat amps the DMG reduction will not work as this is the first time shes one whos stronger (if this is how scan works lol)

I'm like 80% sure thats not how that scan works lol

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I'm like 80% sure thats not how that scan works lol

well idk then scan seems extra wierd

 

[Johner2133451]

bump

 

[Arkansalter2]

Two haxaholics... I'll come back to this.

 

[DavidTPPM]

without proper statements you cannot assume the quantification of multiplier or damage reduction without further context, you should ask some GOH supporter how that scan works

Basically Mori's clothes act like a full body armor which makes you so durable where attacks relative to you do nothing and even one shot advantage amps don't go through. There isn't a canonically stated reduction rate or anything but when Dean was relative to Mori, he could no-sell attacks from monkey King Mode Mori. And monkey king mode was directly shown to be superior to a 48x multiplier.

So it's fair to say the armorsuit has arguments of noselling up to 48x AP advantage ranges.

Incon, both are pretty sure equal in statistics in the end regardless and with how both of them are Extraordinary Genius in combat.

That's not how skill works here. The ratings are only to give you a general range, not specific level of IQ.

Mori's listed skill feats completely eclipse whatever's in Trailblazers profile so as it is rn, Mori might actually just skill-stomp them.

 

[M2u12]

Umm how Trailblazer going to deal with 4 layer FM?

i don't see resist to FM or Supernatural Willpower in she profile.

 

[Johner2133451]

Umm how Trailblazer going to deal with 4 layer FM?

i don't see resist to FM or Supernatural Willpower in she profile.

Mori in his post mori jung key has it?

 

[M2u12]

Mori in his post mori jung key has it?

Yeah, David hasn't written it in his profile yet, but at least in this key, he should have at least 4 layers.

 

[Johner2133451]

Yeah, David hasn't written it in his profile yet, but at least in this key, he should have at least 4 layers.

Well Stelle is resistant to smurf 12D empathic manip, prob counts

Resistance to:

• Aura (Overwhelming), Madness Manipulation (Types 2 & 3), Empathic Manipulation, Sleep Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Information Manipulation (Type 2) & Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1; The Trailblazer can venture into the "Horizon of Existence", so they should be able to resist being in the presence of IX, which can shatter the minds of their opponents and manipulate their emotions, causing sentient beings that have contact with IX to become insane and had their souls drained passively, often resulting in their incapacitation. IX's presence can also put their opponents to sleep. Withstood a strike from Rappa, whose physical attacks can bypass the physical body and directly attack a person's soul, a person's soul is regarded as their mind and is composed of fundamental information, the latter that shapes reality and life as a line of code, being conceptual in nature)

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

Well Stelle is resistant to smurf 12D empathic manip, prob counts

Resistance to:

• Aura (Overwhelming), Madness Manipulation (Types 2 & 3), Empathic Manipulation, Sleep Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Information Manipulation (Type 2) & Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1; The Trailblazer can venture into the "Horizon of Existence", so they should be able to resist being in the presence of IX, which can shatter the minds of their opponents and manipulate their emotions, causing sentient beings that have contact with IX to become insane and had their souls drained passively, often resulting in their incapacitation. IX's presence can also put their opponents to sleep. Withstood a strike from Rappa, whose physical attacks can bypass the physical body and directly attack a person's soul, a person's soul is regarded as their mind and is composed of fundamental information, the latter that shapes reality and life as a line of code, being conceptual in nature)

So..."Smurf" apparently isn't a thing anymore for hax unless you're 1-A

 

[Johner2133451]

So..."Smurf" apparently isn't a thing anymore for hax unless you're 1-A

Well then, their empathic resists seems unconventional as it's merged with their information

 

[M2u12]

Well Stelle is resistant to smurf 12D empathic manip, prob counts

Resistance to:

• Aura (Overwhelming), Madness Manipulation (Types 2 & 3), Empathic Manipulation, Sleep Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Information Manipulation (Type 2) & Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1; The Trailblazer can venture into the "Horizon of Existence", so they should be able to resist being in the presence of IX, which can shatter the minds of their opponents and manipulate their emotions, causing sentient beings that have contact with IX to become insane and had their souls drained passively, often resulting in their incapacitation. IX's presence can also put their opponents to sleep. Withstood a strike from Rappa, whose physical attacks can bypass the physical body and directly attack a person's soul, a person's soul is regarded as their mind and is composed of fundamental information, the latter that shapes reality and life as a line of code, being conceptual in nature)

But it not a resist to fear hax? FM in GoH is working on instinct level but I don't see that kind of thing in this explanation, Empathic Manip seems to just "manipulate their emotions" which is different from FM in GoH.

 

[Johner2133451]

But it not a resist to fear hax? FM in GoH is working on instinct level but I don't see that kind of thing in this explanation, Empathic Manip seems to just "manipulate their emotions" which is different from FM in GoH.

FM seems like a subtype of empathic manip. Well not sure if still gonna work since their emotions is merged with the cosmology's information

 

[DavidTPPM]

So..."Smurf" apparently isn't a thing anymore for hax unless you're 1-A

What changed?

 

[Johner2133451]

What changed?

Any metaphysical haxes like conceptual, information, soul manip, mind manip and others cannot be smurf

 

[M2u12]

FM seems like a subtype of empathic manip.

i mean, sure, but there's a difference between normally scaring people and scaring people on an instinct level.

Well not sure if still gonna work since their emotions is merged with the cosmology's information

Well, if it not work. Mori still has other abilities that can be relied on.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Yeah if their emotions need some crazy information manipulation to interact with then Mori isn't scaring anyone here.

But from the looks of things Mori seems to be have a much better bag of tricks and at least as far as profiles go has a ridiculous skill advantage. And if she can't get past aemorsuits it might be a stomp match

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Yeah if their emotions need some crazy information manipulation to interact with then Mori isn't scaring anyone here.

But from the looks of things Mori seems to be have a much better bag of tricks and at least as far as profiles go has a ridiculous skill advantage. And if she can't get past aemorsuits it might be a stomp match

Would mid Amphoreus be more fair to combat the armorsuit