Dan Heng vs Saitama (Rematch)

[Voidnether]

Introduction​

Well, Dan Heng used to lose against Saitama because of the difference/gap in LS and it's AD, but that's going to change now. Dan Heng decides to fight Saitama again, this time with the Jade Abacus of Allying Oath

This allows him to summon the whole Xianzhou Alliance (As Cloud Knights are the main military of the Xianzhou Alliance), which includes Jing Yuan, Yanqing, Jingliu, Bailu, Lingsha, Sushang, Feixiao, Yunli and many more that we don't have the profiles of, it should also be noted that 500,000 fighter jets were sent during the Third Abundance War, this is how they look like in-game when Dan Heng used the Jade Abacus against Sunday

Of course, since Dan Heng lost the last time, he'll use the Jade Abacus immediately.

As Kafka once stated, the prelude to divine war.

Dan Heng is 10.53 ZettaFoe or Galaxy level with Class Y Lifting Strength, whilst Saitama is 6.703 ZettaFoe with Pre-Stellar Lifting Strength. That's it.

Rules​

• Everyone is in their latest key (except Jingliu)
• Speed is equalized

Voting Section​

• Dan Heng (0):
• Saitama (0):

Gallery​

• Battle Theme

 

[Voidnether]

yo guys can i get an alternative solution to the imgur one, it looks so bad

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Buddy. Propagation Jingliu is not part of this.

 

[Voidnether]

Buddy. Propagation Jingliu is not part of this.

which one is part of this because you DIDN'T LIST IT ON THE PROFILES

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

which one is part of this because you DIDN'T LIST IT ON THE PROFILES

THE NORMAL ONE. WHY WOULD THE PROPAGATION ONE RESPOND TO THE JADE ABACUS

 

[Voidnether]

THE NORMAL ONE. WHY WOULD THE PROPAGATION ONE RESPOND TO THE JADE ABACUS

"Everyone is in their latest key"

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

"Everyone is in their latest key"

No

 

[Catbowtie]

Saitama rearranges Dan Heng's guts with Fa Jin.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Saitama rearranges Dan Heng's guts with Fa Jin.

Dan Heng when he summons Mahoraga:

 

[Catbowtie]

Saitama speed blitzing after 0.000000... nanoseconds

 

[Voidnether]

Saitama rearranges Dan Heng's guts with Fa Jin.

But like could it go through even if blocked by Lightning Lord? Like the entire Dan Heng + Jing Yuan strat was that they were always together so JY would definitely protect him with LL

Shown in the fight against Phantylia, or the Sunday one I gave above because like Dan Heng had Jade Abacus as its standard equipment, and he used it in the start of the fight against Saitama so (LL is 1-B btw)

 

[Voidnether]

Saitama speed blitzing after 0.000000... nanoseconds

Speed is equalized mfw, these characters are like immeasurable so like if its unequalized

 

[Catbowtie]

snip

Who is Lightning Lord?

 

[Voidnether]

Who is Lightning Lord?

Jing Yuan's stand basically, its like Dan Heng with his dragon but the former is 1-B since its directly Reignbow's manifestation and the latter is well, just 3-C but yeah

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

But like could it go through even if blocked by Lightning Lord? Like the entire Dan Heng + Jing Yuan strat was that they were always together so JY would definitely protect him with LL

Shown in the fight against Phantylia, or the Sunday one I gave above because like Dan Heng had Jade Abacus as its standard equipment, and he used it in the start of the fight against Saitama so (LL is 1-B btw)

 

[Voidnether]

W stand

 

[Catbowtie]

How skilled is Dan Heng and his 8 other summons?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

How skilled is Dan Heng and his 8 other summons?

Heres the relevant ones with their IQ section

Dan Heng

Tier: 4-C in Human Form, higher in Vidyadhara Form | 4-A in Human Form, 3-C in Vidyadhara Form | 4-A in Human Form, 3-C in Vidyadhara Form | 4-A in Human Form, 3-C in Vidyadhara Form Key: Herta Space Station Arc to Jarilo-VI Arc | Xianzhou Luofu Arc to Mid Penacony Arc | Late Penacony Arc to...

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Jing Yuan

Jing Yuan (景元Jǐng Yuán?) is the Xianzhou Luofu's Arbiter-General, and although his appearance may be one of indolence, the Cloud Knight general who commands the Xianzhou Luofu is more meticulous than seemingly meets the eye. He does not consider saving a situation from the brink of disaster to...

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Jingliu

Jingliu (鏡流Jìngliú?) is one of the legendary heroes making up the High-Cloud Quintet, and bestowed with the title "Transcendent Flash". Having ascended beyond mortal concepts of victory, she chose to walk a different path to obtain the power capable of slaying gods. Thereafter, one Sword...

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Yanqing

Yanqing (彦卿Yànqīng?) is the spirited lieutenant of the Xianzhou Luofu, and also its most proficient swordsman. He was born for the sword and is obsessed with it. Whenever a sword rests in Yanqing's hand, none would dare underestimate this genius still in the early days of his youth. Perhaps the...

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[Voidnether]

How skilled is Dan Heng and his 8 other summons?

I think they should be on par, so like near extraordinary geniuses but only jingliu is extraordinary genius despite jing yuan having the most obvious eg feat yet rated as genius

 

[Catbowtie]

The problem is most of the combat intelligence ratings boil down to:

This guy/girl earned this AMAZING and VERY HARD TO REACH title and has EXCEPTIONAL spearmanship/swordsmanship/skills! (doesn't list any skill feats)

What are their skill feats? Like stuff we can actually talk about instead of vague stuff like "Oh this girl reached the pinnacle of swordsmanship. What does that mean? **** if I know!"

The only notable "combat" intelligence ratings is Jing Yuan beating someone who can predict 48 moves ahead and Yanqing combining six flying swords with his other two to attack from 8 different angles.

 

[Voidnether]

The problem is most of the combat intelligence ratings boil down to:

This guy/girl earned this AMAZING and VERY HARD TO REACH title and has EXCEPTIONAL spearmanship/swordsmanship/skills! (doesn't list any skill feats)

What are their skill feats? Like stuff we can actually talk about instead of vague stuff like "Oh this girl reached the pinnacle of swordsmanship. What does that mean? **** if I know!"

The only notable "combat" intelligence ratings is Jing Yuan beating someone who can predict 48 moves ahead and Yanqing combining six flying swords with his other two to attack from 8 different angles.

hey that's on enryu i didn't write the justifications for xianzhou mfs so

but like, saitama's intelligence section is equally as bad as the episode 6 itself (i remember there being discussions revolving how terrible saitama's intelligence sections are) or maybe it was the ratings i forgot

 

[Catbowtie]

Honestly, just look at Cosmic Garou's Intelligence rating and assume that's Saitama's Intelligence rating but on steroids.

 

[Voidnether]

Honestly, just look at Cosmic Garou's Intelligence rating and assume that's Saitama's Intelligence rating but on steroids.

i thought they werent scalable?? like, there's no reason for saitama to be average if it could be boiled down (scaled) to that, I swear this was discussed in the previous match or something

 

[Catbowtie]

Copying someone's Martial Arts that consists of incorporating and perfecting multiple other Martial Arts into one "Perfected Martial Art" with the person you copied it from glazing you to high heaven talking bout some "Yea, I could never perfect this Martial Art, but you DEFINITELY can" is definitely a skill/int feat.

 

[Voidnether]

Copying someone's Martial Arts that consists of incorporating and perfecting multiple other Martial Arts into one "Perfected Martial Art" with the person you copied it from glazing you to high heaven talking bout some "Yea, I could never perfect this Martial Art, but you DEFINITELY can" is definitely a skill/int feat.

Yeah but the rating is still average unless I'm mistaken, because why would you have the ratings to be that way if said justification is like i don't know, extraordinary genius or something

Like you'd understand jy being genius even if it should be extraordinary and there's not that much difference because of his sheer mental calculations yeah but like average to extraordinary/supergenius??

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

So Dan Heng's win cons are sealing saitama, Imaginary Energy hax from the amount of pathstriders there, or a single shot from Jing Yuan/Lightning lord (Or the 500k fighter jets if they last long enough or survive the serious punch)

 

[Catbowtie]

Yeah but the rating is still average unless I'm mistaken, because why would you have the ratings to be that way if said justification is like i don't know, extraordinary genius or something

Probably because no one updated it, or they can't come to a consensus, or no one cares to do anything about it yet. I don't really know. Regardless, Saitama by both narrative and feats is a more skilled version of Garou. It would be weird to be so stringent on the current rating to the point where someone would actually be lying about a character because they decide to go what profile says rather than what the manga blatantly shows.

Like you'd understand jy being genius even if it should be extraordinary because of his sheer mental calculations but yeah

I don't get it.

 

[Catbowtie]

Imaginary Energy hax from the amount of pathstriders there

Can you just give me a quick rundown of what it does?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Can you just give me a quick rundown of what it does?

Check the Imaginary energy hax section

 

[Catbowtie]

If I'm not wrong...they all just have Hunt's Hax?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Saitama can't win against 8 Guys with honkai hax and AoE, simple as that

 

[Catbowtie]

So if there's no substantial skill feats...Methinks Saitama just wipes.

Any random punch from Saitama will obliterate the 50,000 fighter jets. The energy generated from a regular punch clash between Saitama and Garou was going to boom the Earth and the propelling force of the explosion concentrated into a unidirectional sent them at a minimum distance of 365 million miles away, so the fighter jets that do miraculously survive are just gone. The propelling force of Saitama's punches isn't just a random thing. A different punch from Saitama nearly sent Garou out of Io's orbit.

Because of this, its also why none of the summons would be useful. Even downplaying the LS of Saitama's shockwaves and saying that they wouldn't perfectly scale to his actual physical LS, it is still multiple thousands order of magnitudes above Class G, the rating that six of Dan Heng's summons have, and for those summons who have Class Y, a far weaker Saitama compared to the one TS is using now still knocked around someone who scales to the same rating.

From what I'm seeing, none of the summons besides Feixiao have any Travel Speed or travel-based abilities, so good luck to them trying to actually get back to the battlefield without Dan Heng's help.

Besides, none of them really have any good skill feats to discuss...What are any of them going to do when Saitama punches them out of the stratosphere and starts attacking at them from all angles? How are they going to stop Saitama from Fa Jinning them in the throat so they don't choke and die on their own blood?

Oh, speaking of that. Why didn't TS put Saitama, the resident jobber, as "Serious" or "Blood-lusted" when the dude's up against 8 people, an army, a 1-B summon, and ON EARTH? The guy's going to try to tank Lightning Lord and get one shotted That's a huge topic that needs to be addressed. Saitama's not going use his full 4-A power if he's on Earth and in-character.

Saitama can't win against 8 Guys with honkai hax and AoE, simple as that

I disagree, but let's see if my mind is changed.

 

[Voidnether]

So if there's no substantial skill feats...Methinks Saitama just wipes.

Any random punch from Saitama will obliterate the 50,000 fighter jets. The energy generated from a regular punch clash between Saitama and Garou was going to boom the Earth and the propelling force of the explosion concentrated into a unidirectional sent them at a minimum distance of 365 million miles away, so the fighter jets that do miraculously survive are just gone. The propelling force of Saitama's punches isn't just a random thing. A different punch from Saitama nearly sent Garou out of Io's orbit.

Because of this, its also why none of the summons would be useful. Even downplaying the LS of Saitama's shockwaves and saying that they wouldn't perfectly scale to his actual physical LS, it is still multiple thousands order of magnitudes above Class G, the rating that six of Dan Heng's summons have, and for those summons who have Class Y, a far weaker Saitama compared to the one TS is using now still knocked around someone who scales to the same rating.

From what I'm seeing, none of the summons besides Feixiao have any Travel Speed or travel-based abilities, so good luck to them trying to actually get back to the battlefield without Dan Heng's help.

Besides, none of them really have any good skill feats to discuss...What are any of them going to do when Saitama punches them out of the stratosphere and starts attacking at them from all angles? How are they going to stop Saitama from Fa Jinning them in the throat so they don't choke and die on their own blood?

Oh, speaking of that. Why didn't TS put Saitama, the resident jobber, as "Serious" or "Blood-lusted" when the dude's up against 8 people, an army, a 1-B summon, and ON EARTH? The guy's going to try to tank Lightning Lord and get one shotted That's a huge topic that needs to be addressed. Saitama's not going use his full 4-A power if he's on Earth and in-character.

I disagree, but let's see if my mind is changed.

Well, unless it's measured in lightyears then I'm really unsure given Asdana, one of the star systems with the other 4 star systems involved in the fight against Irontomb is like millions of lightyears in size (2 million ly here as conservative guess) and let's say, the Xianzhou fleet covered this before they were wiped out in Irontomb's final attack that obviously destroyed the 5 star systems nearby

I feel like travel speed wouldnt really be an issue here when we're talking about intergalactic ships thats obviously MFTL+ and unless this is Cosmic Garou, I don't see Saitama to immediately do that. Most notably though, Jingliu's ice manipulation that's close to absolute zero and it should be passive so there's that. Feixiao's flying aureus stats are well, it's the same as LL so I wouldn't say much but probably feixiao's regeneration would really help here and if Saitama decides to nuke everything. I'm sure they all have the capacity to survive that (for the 3-C ones, obviously)

If I put Serious/Bloodlusted Saitama though, if I literally do the same for JY or Feixiao, they just immediately use their stand and kill Saitama right there because of like 1-B physicals. It just boils down to JY/Feixiao vs Saitama the moment that happens (If I only put Saitama on bloodlust). I'm saying like Saitama could probably incapacitate Dan Heng but I'm still unsure because you know, LL exist but my main concern is whether Saitama would resist the imaginary energy or not if anything than the combat skills. Because the intelligence is very wacky for both sides (one is literally average scaled to extraordinary/supergenius combat intelligence and the other is just that)

 

[Catbowtie]

Well, unless it's measured in lightyears then I'm really unsure given Asdana, one of the star systems with the other 4 star systems involved in the fight against Irontomb is like millions of lightyears in size (2 million ly here as conservative guess) and let's say, the Xianzhou fleet covered this before they were wiped out in Irontomb's final attack that obviously destroyed the 5 star systems nearby

That's a bit weird. How come the Xianzhou fleet escape Irontomb's Final Attack but the other ships were wiped out? Were they just different? Did they see Irontomb about to blow up 5 Star Systems, then clear that distance fast before he could do the attack? And I may be reading the video wrong, but it says the Xianzhou Fleet was coming to the fight of Iron Tomb, right? So they were coming towards the location...then what? Iron Tomb boomed 5 Star Systems? Or did they arrive at the fight, see Irontomb about to bomb multiple star systems, then leave before he could do that? Then why, in the video, does it take them any amount of time to get to the fight considering how the explosion's speed was pretty fast?

Regardless, this is all assuming the Xianzhou Fleet even survives Saitama's Shockwave. Does the fleet have a durability, if any?

Most notably though, Jingliu's ice manipulation that's close to absolute zero and it should be passive so there's that.

It doesn't say it's Passive on the profile. I don't see anywhere that it is passive. Can you provide a scan for this?

Feixiao's flying aureus stats are well, it's the same as LL so I wouldn't say much

I don't know what this means

feixiao's regeneration would really help here and if Saitama decides to nuke everything

It would, until Saitama just sends a shockwave through her body or liquifies her with punches.

I'm sure they all have the capacity to survive that (for the 3-C ones, obviously)

There's 5 people who immediately die to one shockwave (Yanqing, Bailu, Lingsha, Sushang, and Yunli) and the ones who survive are pushed several hundred meters away from the battlefield.

I'm saying like Saitama could probably incapacitate Dan Heng but I'm still unsure because you know

The only way an in-character Saitama will be incapacitating Dan Heng is through fistcuffs, except that an in-character Saitama won't use Fa Jin, Your Mom's Rock Smashing Fist, or really any of the Martial Arts he knows. It will inevitably just lead to Dan Heng just jumping Saitama with his squad and Saitama dying/losing to some Imaginary Hax because he isn't trying to kill Dan Heng nor is he going to be concerned only with winning. It's also a GREAT handicap that Saitama is on Earth (as per SBA, the fight is in New York), so Saitama wouldn't even do any of the stuff I'm saying. He's more likely to pull his punches until he gets hit with a 1-B attack that kills him instantly.

 

[Voidnether]

That's a bit weird. How come the Xianzhou fleet escape Irontomb's Final Attack but the other ships were wiped out? Were they just different? Did they see Irontomb about to blow up 5 Star Systems, then clear that distance fast before he could do the attack? And I may be reading the video wrong, but it says the Xianzhou Fleet was coming to the fight of Iron Tomb, right? So they were coming towards the location...then what? Iron Tomb boomed 5 Star Systems? Or did they arrive at the fight, see Irontomb about to bomb multiple star systems, then leave before he could do that? Then why, in the video, does it take them any amount of time to get to the fight considering how the explosion's speed was pretty fast?

Regardless, this is all assuming the Xianzhou Fleet even survives Saitama's Shockwave. Does the fleet have a durability, if any?

It doesn't say it's Passive on the profile. I don't see anywhere that it is passive. Can you provide a scan for this?

I don't know what this means

It would, until Saitama just sends a shockwave through her body or liquifies her with punches.

There's 5 people who immediately die to one shockwave (Yanqing, Bailu, Lingsha, Sushang, and Yunli) and the ones who survive are pushed several hundred meters away from the battlefield.

The only way an in-character Saitama will be incapacitating Dan Heng is through fistcuffs, except that an in-character Saitama won't use Fa Jin, Your Mom's Rock Smashing Fist, or really any of the Martial Arts he knows. It will inevitably just lead to Dan Heng just jumping Saitama with his squad and Saitama dying/losing to some Imaginary Hax because he isn't trying to kill Dan Heng nor is he going to be concerned only with winning. It's also a GREAT handicap that Saitama is on Earth (as per SBA, the fight is in New York), so Saitama wouldn't even do any of the stuff I'm saying. He's more likely to pull his punches until he gets hit with a 1-B attack that kills him instantly.

It's more of like Xianzhou being able to cover the entirety, and then nuked by Irontomb completely like that attack was meant to destroy the entire universe yes

The durability is well, unquantifiable but the main point is that they have Imaginary Energy as their source of weapon which is like the reason I even brought that here

This one's explained here

Simply put, Flying Aureus is also 1-B since it's a manifestation of Reignbow, like LL

Which one is liquidification listed again? They're able to resist Quantum Matter Manipulation through resisting Imaginary Energy iirc

Yanqing & Yunli wouldn't die immediately, 1.053 ZettaFoe vs 6.703 ZettaFoe isn't one-shot, also they have the capacity to block said shockwaves with their sword esp Yunli

Is it like out of character if Saitama uses abilities? Or he's really just a punching merchant which apparently still stays true till this day since that Kafka matchup?

What characters are scaled to Saitama's 4-A other than Cosmic Garou in OPM? That's not like a punching merchant then

 

[Voidnether]

Ngl I'm probably closing this, castorice recommended this to me but it's actually a bad idea if saitama's just a punching merchant atp if it's out of character for him to use abilities at all other than martial arts

 

[Arkansalter2]

saitama's just a punching merchant atp if it's out of character for him to use abilities at all other than martial arts

What the hell did you expect?

 

[Arkansalter2]

What characters are scaled to Saitama's 4-A other than Cosmic Garou in OPM

Blast.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Ngl I'm probably closing this, castorice recommended this to me but it's actually a bad idea if saitama's just a punching merchant atp if it's out of character for him to use abilities at all other than martial arts

haha strong punch beat wanked generals :joy
jokes aside this matchup is just ass, either dan heng gets eviscerated millisecond into fight or saitama gets turbo jumped by entire alliance.
(use some regen merchant from hsr)

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]