Chainsaw Man discussion thread

[ElajRuengies]

Yeah but what are the ribbons for?

They're funeral gloves, a bit of frill and ribbon is normal.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Given that Chainsaw man is clearly inspired by Christianity, then if Pochita erased all endings to life except Death, then would souls ceases to exists as a result too?

 

[Zabazab]

Souls don't exist

 

[GunshyFever]

Given that Chainsaw man is clearly inspired by Christianity

How? And wouldn't we need like a direct statement to do anything

then if Pochita erased all endings to life except Death, then would souls ceases to exists as a result too?

No, it's a completely different thing, because biblically the only ending to life is death

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

I have absolutely no idea for matchups rn
so I'll just send CSM Matchups I saw on R/Deathbattlematchups to see y'all thoughts on em so I can make em into matchups here

First off.
"Fami"/Death Devil vs Kenjaku
didn't know people consider this a matchup

Tengen Uzui vs Quanxi
Okay I haven't actually seen this yet, but this is probably the most interesting one for me out of all that I've sent, considering they both are 8-A here so this could be match

Sukuna vs Pochita
Saw this Matchup here back when Pochita was Still Town+, Idk if anything could change, since the old one was stopped due to the AP gap or smth

 

[Zabazab]

"Fami"/Death Devil vs Kenjaku

Insane nuke vs coughing baby moment oml

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Insane nuke vs coughing baby moment oml

In their defense, that matchup was made back when death devil was still thought to be Fami

 

[Arkenis]

Sukuna and Kenjaku may end up 7-A so Pochita gets stomped. Fauxmi vs Kenjaku is just a spam fest with Fauxmi spammimg stronger devils with better hax the curses.

 

[Zabazab]

I think we tried Falling Devil vs JJK and it was a stomp no matter who the opponent was These damn primals are tough, Aging's never getting a matchup

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Sukuna and Kenjaku may end up 7-A so Pochita gets stomped. Fauxmi vs Kenjaku is just a spam fest with Fauxmi spammimg stronger devils with better hax the curses.

hmm I do wonder, if Sukuna may/once becomes 7-A, what would happen to the Makima Vs Sukuna Matchups?

Like idk what would happen to the 15F one, but what about the True Form one?, cuz that one seems to rely more on the Haxs than the AP

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

I think we tried Falling Devil vs JJK and it was a stomp no matter who the opponent was These damn primals are tough, Aging's never getting a matchup

I know that this isn't the JJK discussion thread, but I remember the times when People would say on YT that Gojo Alone would Solo the CSM Verse.

Also I was probably one of the only people that was on Makima's Side when Their Death Battle was Coming, cuz I definitely saw alot of people just Rooting for Gojo

 

[Arkenis]

hmm I do wonder, if Sukuna may/once becomes 7-A, what would happen to the Makima Vs Sukuna Matchups?

Like idk what would happen to the 15F one, but what about the True Form one?, cuz that one seems to rely more on the Haxs than the AP

Literally nothing. Makima hax should still give her the win.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Sukuna and Kenjaku may end up 7-A so Pochita gets stomped. Fauxmi vs Kenjaku is just a spam fest with Fauxmi spammimg stronger devils with better hax the curses.

I was so confused on who you were referring to by Fauxmi then I realized you were talking bout Death

 

[GunshyFever]

I know that this isn't the JJK discussion thread, but I remember the times when People would say on YT that Gojo Alone would Solo the CSM Verse.

Also I was probably one of the only people that was on Makima's Side when Their Death Battle was Coming, cuz I definitely saw alot of people just Rooting for Gojo

After death battle came dark times

 

[Zabazab]

I remember the times when People would say on YT that Gojo Alone would Solo the CSM Verse.

He probably did until the last arc(s) of Part 1.

 

[GunshyFever]

Sukuna and Kenjaku may end up 7-A so Pochita gets stomped.

We should do a matchup before Sukuna upgrades, considering both of them now have High 7-C keys

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

After death battle came dark times

Fr Fr, I saw too many Edits of People bullying the CSM,
unless the editors are facing the CSM Verse against the KnY verse, They would be Bullied af by Editors

also was surprised af to see you as a yt editor

 

[GunshyFever]

Fr Fr, I saw too many Edits of People bullying the CSM,
unless the editors are facing the CSM Verse against the KnY verse, They would be Bullied af by Editors

also was surprised af to see you as a yt editor

I can't go back im switching to scd️

 

[Zabazab]

idea for matchups

Choso vs Power sounds decent in theory.

Also, is there a reason Power's page has no notable matchups section?

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

I can't go back im switching to scd️

What the hell is scd

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

I have absolutely no idea for matchups rn
so I'll just send CSM Matchups I saw on R/Deathbattlematchups to see y'all thoughts on em so I can make em into matchups here

First off.
"Fami"/Death Devil vs Kenjaku
didn't know people consider this a matchup

Tengen Uzui vs Quanxi
Okay I haven't actually seen this yet, but this is probably the most interesting one for me out of all that I've sent, considering they both are 8-A here so this could be match

Damn Tengen vs Quanxi Got ignored

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Aging's never getting a matchup

Sending Opponents to a Pocket Realm where they can't use their Powers is literally that OP

 

[GunshyFever]

Choso vs Power sounds decent in theory.

Also, is there a reason Power's page has no notable matchups section?

Isn't this a stomp either way?

 

[Epiccheev]

Souls don't exist

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Makima vs Alucard is genuinely such a peak matchup and my absolute top 1 if makima ever comes back to death battle.

shame it's a stomp tho

 

[YeahhBoyee]

I have absolutely no idea for matchups rn
so I'll just send CSM Matchups I saw on R/Deathbattlematchups to see y'all thoughts on em so I can make em into matchups here

Feel like all of these are mismatches

None of them can even kill these CSM characters. They have absurd levels of regen (which isnt stopped by Nichirin blades because its tied to fear, not sunlight), all 3 here are immortal on top of that to the point where death hax cant even kill the Katana Devil (needless to say all 3 characters are FAR stronger than him). Youd need some form of incapacitation win-con for these fights to work like maybe Mahitos soul transfiguration (assuming it bypasses regen since he changes their "natural state") though im not even sure if Devils have souls given that 1) the concept of Afterlife may have been erased by Pochita (Chapter 84) and 2) they're reborn in hell after dying.

I used to think Gojo could mog the verse with his domain but then realized all it does is overload your brain with information, its useless on characters that don't need their brain to survive. Just look at Post-Weakening Denji getting beheaded and casually putting his head back on, fyi we saw Makima do the same shit when fighting Denji so its not even limited to immortals

Spoiler: Makima vs Gojo spoiler

Death battle got this VERY wrong lmao

As for matchup ideas, something with characters that can actually be killed like Gun Devil, Yoshida, Yoru. Kishibe vs Start of Series Yuji would probably be peak.

 

[ElajRuengies]

Choso vs Power sounds decent in theory.

It's sounds amazing in theory.

Devil-Human Quasi-Sibling with Blood Powers vs. Curse-Human Half-Sibling with Blood Powers who both bite it saving the MC from the Main Bad Guy is so good that I wouldn't be surprised if Death Battle did it.

Another example of Thematically Even Matchups >>> Statistically Even Matchups. Fights are meant to support stories; stories shouldn't exist to support fights.

Also, is there a reason Power's page has no notable matchups section?

CowHead forgor when they renovated Power's profile.

 

[Aaaaa11112222]

Lastly, for convenience sake we assume Primals are stronger than Gun physically given Pingtsi's statement, although it's possible the story will pull that out from our feet in the future.

Well like remember that calc I showed you which got the GD's KE to High 6-A or something (I think it was his body not his bullets) if this is to be the case, would the Primals be High 6-A in physicality following the GD's Body KE? Or nah?

Primals are just City level.

But what about the Mountain level stuff that's listed on Aging's profile with a whole explanation on why?

 

[ElajRuengies]

Well like remember that calc I showed you which got the GD's KE to High 6-A or something (I think it was his body not his bullets) if this is to be the case, would the Primals be High 6-A in physicality following the GD's Body KE? Or nah?

I already spelled out to you why that calc was bunk on four different levels. (Five actually!)

No, because:
1.) Chainsaw Man doesn't have a Universal Energy System where Speed scales equally with some kind of internal energy, and-
2.) Even if it did (which it doesn't), the amount aggregate Gun Flesh wouldn't qualify for that anyway, it'd be related to Fear levels, and-
3.) Even if the Gun Devil's speed did scale linearly with how much flesh it has (which it doesn't), the KE calc you just linked assumed that 20% Gun could move its whole body at Mach 700+, which it can't, and-
4.) Even if it could (again, it can't), the KE also uses the incorrectly calculated mass that's blown up 10,000-fold.

So no, that is wrong on four different levels. And as a bonus!

5.) Even if the calculation wasn't based on multiple different incorrect premises (which it is), it still wouldn't be accepted because the devastation of 100% Gun's rampage does not even begin to approach one-f*cking-teraton, so it'd still be rejected by KE Rules.

With that said, if we lived in an alternate universe where the Gun Devil was High 6-A physically (Which starts in the Petatons, so that Godawful "calc" isn't High 6-A), then the Primals would scale above it.

But what about the Mountain level stuff that's listed on Aging's profile with a whole explanation on why?

I just explained that. The justifications for Aging being 7-A are largely based on Yoru stating her strength was match for Aging's- but whether that strength includes the Gun Goddess or not depends on if Pochita is Primal level.

 

[Aaaaa11112222]

Wait what was it that Makima used when she gapped holes through those people early in the series if not Bang

 

[ElajRuengies]

Wait what was it that Makima used when she gapped holes through those people early in the series if not Bang

Makima can just punch cylindrical holes through people. She does it multiple times during the graveyard fight.

 

[Aaaaa11112222]

I just explained that. The justifications for Aging being 7-A are largely based on Yoru stating her strength was match for Aging's- but whether that strength includes the Gun Goddess or not depends on if Pochita is Primal level.

Is it really just that? What about the fact that Primals are transcendent to Devils which include the 7-A KE from the GD (or was that Yoru amping it), or what about the fact that Aging calls the attack unimpressive and was like "You thought you could kill me with that?"

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Is it really just that? What about the fact that Primals are transcendent to Devils which include the 7-A KE from the GD (or was that Yoru amping it), or what about the fact that Aging calls the attack unimpressive and was like "You thought you could kill me with that?"

7-A is from the gun goddess

 

[Zabazab]

It's sounds amazing in theory.

I see two 8-As and maybe Choso's self-blood manip will prevent him from getting his brain turned into a rapier.

 

[ElajRuengies]

Is it really just that? What about the fact that Primals are transcendent to Devils which include the 7-A KE from the GD (or was that Yoru amping it),

1.) The Gun Goddess is not the Gun Devil.
2.) I didn't bring up the assumed Primals >>> Everything Else, because I already f*cking mentioned that before and assumed you knew how to read.

You got it backwards. If Pochita is Primal level, then it means the Gun Goddess can turn Primals to chicken nuggets, and Aging only stopped it due to time hax, and Primals are just City level.

It Pochita was not Primal level, then Aging was just dicking around the entire fight, and the Gun Goddess wrecking Pochita doesn't change how Primals are >>> everything else by default.

My mistake. I won't make it again.

or what about the fact that Aging calls the attack unimpressive and was like "You thought you could kill me with that?"

Primals have crazy regeneration, something not being able to kill it isn't completely indicative of power.

 

[Zabazab]

Really funny to me that Makima's damage transfer contract is something any devil at all could do. Bucky can do that. It's just a contract.

 

[ElajRuengies]

I see two 8-As and maybe Choso's self-blood manip will prevent him from getting his brain turned into a rapier.

The way I see how Death Battle would do it-

• Fight starts with Choso shrugging off whatever fiend Power throws at him, which doesn't stop her from showboating for all its worth.
• Bigger blood weaponry starte to comes out, with random devils/curses in the background getting wrecked as collateral damage.
• Thanks to the extra blood, blood doped Power/four horns Power comes out, which surprises Choso.
• He retaliates with Flowing Red Scale (despite how he should still one shot, because dynamic fights >>> actual stats)
• Realizing she gets stronger with blood consumption, Choso locks in and Power gets totally wrecked, which should end the fight, and the music fades...
• Unfortunately, Death Battle assumes that Power coming back from a bit of her own blood is something she can normally do rather than a special occurrence with Pochita, and so she comes back from all the blood that had been used in the fight plus her own gore as the Blood Devil.
• Music kicks back in. Choso's now on the back foot from Power's weapon spam.
• Ultimately she outhaxes him, and it's GG.

Granted, Choso could also win. But either way, considering how loved both of these characters are by their fanbases, one side's probably getting pissed.

 

[Epiccheev]

Really funny to me that Makima's damage transfer contract is something any devil at all could do. Bucky can do that. It's just a contract.

Average Sukuna binding vow:

 

[Alexander]

man, ghost exists, why don't souls exists?

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Average Sukuna binding vow:

At least Makima trades lives, Sukuna just need his left nut.

man, ghost exists, why don't souls exists?

Ghost doesn't exists in csm, only the ghost devil does