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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

In a part of the gameplay, these shadows are in the UI. One is Charmy, and I think the other might be Merlina? It looks like they have straight, long hair, a MMZ esc headpiece or pointy ears. I also think her outfits' sleeve could be there. It could also be a weird Storm shadow, too.

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I wonder why alot of people say that arin is a sonic fan, while cleary he has just, deluded himself into being one. A strange, yet unique one that I am not sure if he REALLY is a fan or just exploiting his "Love for Sonic" like, am genuinely not sure why.
 
Chianli said:
I wonder why alot of people say that arin is a sonic fan, while cleary he has just, deluded himself into being one. A strange, yet unique one that I am not sure if he REALLY is a fan or just exploiting his "Love for Sonic" like, am genuinely not sure why.
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Arin is THE poster child of the typical non-fan, so anyone saying that is another non-fan.
 
Plasmaman33 said:
Basically says:
Dark Gaia ≥ Moon The End
Alf Layla wa-Layla ≥ Supreme Avatar

Yeah... He's wrong
(Ryuko no es una buena fuente en el powerscaling btw)
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He's saying that the end is more like a brute and doesn't have the esoteric abilities to beat the other final bosses (at least from his point of view)
 
I mean sure but nothing says he can destroy Solaris in all existing timelines, or to exterminate Dark Gaia (the embodiment of all evil) forever or that he can bypass Erazor's immortality, at least from the guy's perspective.

Also that The End might just be bluffing or believing his own ego, as Flynn stated (although he also stated that he might fully meant it, IDK the bozo flip flops in his answers a lot)
 
Alexander said:
he already says he has infinite power.
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Ay, I'm not trying to downplay our boy Infinite here, but...
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When it comes to "infinite power" statements, can we PLEASE have the same standards for all characters? Infinite's infinite power statement was bragging, yet Kirby's had actual evidence and word of God (NOT MISTRANSLATED). Yet, we regard Kirby's as hyperbole and Infinite's (being delusional is literally part of his character, look up "I AM NOT WEAK SCENE") as factual? I'm not saying Kirby has it, but Infinite sure as hell don't..
 
BlastX said:
I mean sure but nothing says he can destroy Solaris in all existing timelines, or to exterminate Dark Gaia (the embodiment of all evil) forever or that he can bypass Erazor's immortality, at least from the guy's perspective.

Also that The End might just be bluffing or believing his own ego, as Flynn stated (although he also stated that he might fully meant it, IDK the bozo flip flops in his answers a lot)
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Ian Flynn is the biggest Sonic downplayer bro. He says Sonic loses to Kid Goku and that Rings are just game mechanics. Do NOT take that guy's words as gospel at all. Besides, he was most likely referring to the whole "I cannot be denied." or "You can't win, Sonic"-isms.

Anyway, the Titans were said to be the toughest opponents Sonic has ever faced, and this is after Infinite, which was after the Time Eater, which was after Dark Gaia, which was after Egg Wizard, which was after Egg Salamander. All of this is BEFORE The End, by the way. I don't think there's anything that needs to be said. The End is many times stronger than Super Sonic to the point of practically stonewalling all of his damage before going Starfall Super Sonic and this is before going Super Sonic Cyber.

Even if The End CAN'T perma-kill Solaris, Solaris definitely isn't doing anything to The End.
 
Yeah the dude already brought up the Kid Goku point, he just took it into account cause Flynn was one of the main writers of Frontiers.
 
Galactidot said:
Ay, I'm not trying to downplay our boy Infinite here, but...
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When it comes to "infinite power" statements, can we PLEASE have the same standards for all characters? Infinite's infinite power statement was bragging, yet Kirby's had actual evidence and word of God (NOT MISTRANSLATED). Yet, we regard Kirby's as hyperbole and Infinite's (being delusional is literally part of his character, look up "I AM NOT WEAK SCENE") as factual? I'm not saying Kirby has it, but Infinite sure as hell don't..
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Technically the encyclospeedia is technical/pseudo WoG due to it being from an official source, but Eggman ALSO echoes the same sentiment, who is typically an authority on these things (like what he said in Heroes in regards to Metal Madness (not even Metal Overlord).
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ZothythoTheNephalem said:
Ian Flynn is the biggest Sonic downplayer bro. He says Sonic loses to Kid Goku and that Rings are just game mechanics.
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This always cracks me up when people mentions.

Like, how the guy can be so wrong about the characters he writes lmao
ZothythoTheNephalem said:
Even if The End CAN'T perma-kill Solaris, Solaris definitely isn't doing anything to The End.
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Solaris should have a hax that works on The End trought.

Like, atleast I remembering wrong, Solaris History EE should work on The End.
 
ZothythoTheNephalem said:
Technically the encyclospeedia is technical/pseudo WoG due to it being from an official source, but Eggman ALSO echoes the same sentiment, who is typically an authority on these things (like what he said in Heroes in regards to Metal Madness (not even Metal Overlord).
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Word of God is true, but Infinite has nothing to back up being stronger than all of Sonic's previous foes. He's powerful, but are we really gonna say he has infinite power?
Eggman has been shown to overestimate his plans while underestimating Sonic's strength. He learns (somewhat) from his mistakes, but he's certainly cocky at times. I wouldn't wholeheartedly trust what he says at face value.
 
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BlastX said:
He's saying that the end is more like a brute and doesn't have the esoteric abilities to beat the other final bosses (at least from his point of view)
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I mean, what does The End gain by lying to Sonic?
Ignoring what the video says (which is mostly headcanon, let me just say), there's no reason for him to lie to Sonic.
The End "lied" just to escape Cyberspace. Beyond that, there's nothing to disprove what he says in his monologue.
"But The End says he's infinite and was defeated. He's lying." Erazor said he shouldn't be able to be defeated by a "rat," and the rat was defeating him. Only Sonic is very powerful and cool
"Ian Flynn said..." Most of the things Flynn says are bait for powerscalers and he takes it very lightly, The End is the embodiment of death backed by people superior to Flynn, but Flynn says that The End died on Twitter, it is clear that he wants to avoid any spoilers or give hope to the fandom so that in the end SEGA does not want to use The End again (also, correct me but Flynn said that the Super Genesis Wave affects Super States when the Death Battle of Xeno Trunks vs Archie Silver came out, but in the comic that he wrote it is seen how Super Sonic and Super Rock do not affect SGW. Flynn simply does not want to feed the powerscalers)
"But Tails scales The End with Dark Gaia" Tails only saw a casual attack from The End, he speaks purely as a spectator, without making any calculations in between or genius things, he literally says that "EASILY should be on par with Dark Gaia"
"Supreme Avatar is much stronger than The End and Supreme." Of course, their combination made them go from Stellar to Multiversal. Nothing dictates that their combination gave them an exaggerated power increase
"Super Sonic was weakened" Super Sonic didn't weaken from Multiversal to Stellar because of that
"Sonic only used the Cyber Super State because Supreme Avatar regenerated, not because Supreme Avatar is stronger than Super Sonic" again unfounded, the game doesn't dictate that, literally Supreme Avatar can crush Super Sonic or detransform him, there is an intention there
"The Titans don't scale because the game over cinematics are punishments for the player" As if half of Sonic's gameplay wasn't canon already, this argument is hilarious
"The End isn't Multiversal because he didn't demonstrate feats like the previous villains, with luck and he's Stellar via mentions" Sure, Metal Overlord is City Block level because he didn't show feats of destroying realities, 05 Devil Doom is City Block because he didn't pierce stars like the ARK, Gemerl isn't Multi Solar System because he didn't destroy stars, let him learn from his brother Emerl
Bad video, like most of powerscaling of that channel
 
Galactidot said:
Ay, I'm not trying to downplay our boy Infinite here, but...
Ek8PIzh.png

When it comes to "infinite power" statements, can we PLEASE have the same standards for all characters? Infinite's infinite power statement was bragging, yet Kirby's had actual evidence and word of God (NOT MISTRANSLATED). Yet, we regard Kirby's as hyperbole and Infinite's (being delusional is literally part of his character, look up "I AM NOT WEAK SCENE") as factual? I'm not saying Kirby has it, but Infinite sure as hell don't..
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Nobody does this. If anything Kirby is glazed to hell and back while Infinite is downplayed as being fodder.
 
Theuser789 said:
Nobody does this. If anything Kirby is glazed to hell and back while Infinite is downplayed as being fodder.
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No need to get on so aggressive. I never said Infinite was fodder, I was simply stating character traits. His statements cannot be taken at face value. I'm not trying to say one is stronger than the other, I'm simply pointing out that we shouldn't be immediately accepting his self-contradictory infinite power statement. To put it simply, if, even while having examples (of debatable quality), Kirby's is regarded as hyperbole, so is Infinite's. Simple as that.

Please consider: Despite you having far more experience on this forum than many others, not everyone is out to attack your statements, and everyone's point of view is worth a listen, even if it sounds dumb to you. Blanket statements such as this get us nowhere.
(I literally saw someone say "Kirby would die if base form Sonic tapped him" when faced with a matchup, disregarding the fact that base Kirby has higher durability than base Sonic, and more than enough to tank a poke. It's certainly more prevalent on the Kirby wanker's side (I despise them, don't group me with them), but all fandoms have some of those people).
 
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Galactidot said:
Word of God is true, but Infinite has nothing to back up being stronger than all of Sonic's previous foes. He's powerful, but are we really gonna say he has infinite power?
Eggman has been shown to overestimate his plans while underestimating Sonic's strength. He learns (somewhat) from his mistakes, but he's certainly cocky at times. I wouldn't wholeheartedly trust what he says at face value.
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I agree. "Ultimate weapon" but loses and vanishes immediately after, and is using a lesser version of an existing weapon anyways.
 
Galactidot said:
No need to get on so aggressive. I never said Infinite was fodder, I was simply stating character traits. His statements cannot be taken at face value. I'm not trying to say one is stronger than the other, I'm simply pointing out that we shouldn't be immediately accepting his self-contradictory infinite power statement. To put it simply, if, even while having examples (of debatable quality), Kirby's is regarded as hyperbole, so is Infinite's. Simple as that.

Please consider: Despite you having far more experience on this forum than many others, not everyone is out to attack your statements, and everyone's point of view is worth a listen, even if it sounds dumb to you. Blanket statements such as this get us nowhere.
(I literally saw someone say "Kirby would die if base form Sonic tapped him" when faced with a matchup, disregarding the fact that base Kirby has higher durability than base Sonic, and more than enough to tank a poke. It's certainly more prevalent on the Kirby wanker's side (I despise them, don't group me with them), but all fandoms have some of those people).
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I am not being aggressive, I am just pointing out you're complaining about people that don't exist. The same people that glaze Infinite don't downplay Kirby. It's the Goomba Fallacy:
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