Zeldris vs Monkey D. Luffy

[Kachon123]

By the way why would Luffy scale to momonosuke feat? You can’t just scale a characters LS unless they fought and they are evenly matched LS wise.

Read Luffy's profile.

 

[speedster352]

Getting injured is fine, however he can turn the darkness into rubber, or just power through with his superior lifting strength. Luffy is not getting one-shot or anything close to that.

That’s assuming he can touch them despite them being 25 times faster.

Again it's not 25x as Luffy has his own multipliers. Kenbunshoku Haku amps for perceptions and reactions meaning Luffy would be able to move. Same thing happened for Katakuri.

Do does multipliers reach 25 times? Also the calc was accepted so if there are any problems you would have to make a crt. We only go on what is currently on the profiles. By the way Omnious nebula caused scratches on the one Escanors wrist which Am Meliodas strongest attack had no effect. With an improved Omnious nebula he oneshot dubs who have trouble to him before.

Wouldn't he have to deal with the other types of Haki like Armament and Observation? He has advanced observation so he will know if he pops his tendrils, literally quite a few seconds before he does it.
All luffy has to do is hit him with a single attack, and Zeldris is done for.
Luffy, mid diff.

Zeldris can regenerate assuming that Luffy somehow manages to get past Omnious nebula. Zeldris regeneration in darkness based so it can’t be negated.

 

[speedster352]

Read Luffy's profile.

Would you be so kind as to enlighten me? I don't really understand.

 

[Kachon123]

That’s assuming he can touch them despite them being 25 times faster.

Do does multipliers reach 25 times?

They're blitz levels far beyond 4x, with even higher reactions.

the calc was accepted so if there are any problems you would have to make a crt.

I don't care about the calc, I'm asking about an accepted multiplier.

By the way Omnious nebula caused scratches on the one Escanors wrist which Am Meliodas strongest attack had no effect. With an improved Omnious nebula he oneshot dubs who have trouble to him before.

The AP gap is not nearly enough, sorry. Zeldris' AP isn't even above Gear 4th Luffy, let alone Gear 5th.

Would you be so kind as to enlighten me? I don't really understand.

Monkey D. Luffy (Emperor)

Monkey D. Luffy (モンキー・Ｄディー・ルフィ, Monkī Dī Rufi?), known as "Straw Hat Luffy", is the main protagonist of the manga and anime, One Piece. He's the son of Monkey D. Dragon, a revolutionary considered "The World's Most Dangerous Criminal"; the grandson of Monkey D. Garp, a powerful Marine...

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[speedster352]

They're blitz levels far beyond 4x, with even higher reactions.

I don't care about the calc, I'm asking about an accepted multiplier.

The AP gap is not nearly enough, sorry. Zeldris' AP isn't even above Gear 4th Luffy, let alone Gear 5th.

Monkey D. Luffy (Emperor)

Monkey D. Luffy (モンキー・Ｄディー・ルフィ, Monkī Dī Rufi?), known as "Straw Hat Luffy", is the main protagonist of the manga and anime, One Piece. He's the son of Monkey D. Dragon, a revolutionary considered "The World's Most Dangerous Criminal"; the grandson of Monkey D. Garp, a powerful Marine...

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If the multiplier is on the profile then it should be able to be used like I said try asking demon lord for the crt. By the way a blitz can be 2 or 3 times it doesn't automatically close a 25 times gap. Doesn't Future Sight still have the same weakness as if the attack is too fast and you can't physically move out of the way it would still hit you? With speed equal it would make things worse for Luffy. Gear 5 Luffy might be a bit too much so he might need to be restricted. If the Ap from the op is correct ominous Nebula should have the edge in Ap. Is this CBL Zeldris? If so he can use ominous bind. Also his curse infliction put Merlin in a coma and her mind was trapped in endless darkness not sleep manipulation and that occurs from his darkness attacks. If this is normal Zeldris he would have piety which would be a law-based curse that has resistance negation(check the demon King profile) which should work on Luffy.

 

[Makai641001]

As it Luffy, which is why it is as most, since Luffy has amps on top of his base that he starts with (such as advanced Haki) meaning the gap will never be more than that.

We are talking about a dude that now scale closer to the deities than to OD… could put a fight against and harm a 300 zettatons being without ON.

A dude that could before even having his third mark fight on par and even harm severely someone that one shotted a value 3.5 times above Luffy’s base with normal attacks (not enchanted ones which is a 10x multiplier and not with ON)

He's turn Gear 5 if Zeldris pushes him to use it. It's up to you to argue if he can. ON definitely would prompt a transformation.

But it would be a bit late to transform ON being at least 30 zettatons for EACH hit.

Ah, I forgot to equalize speed. They both have multipliers right?

if zel starts in base he'll transform instantly in DM2 in character which is 4x
In CBL he has a mark similar to AM which is just far higher and rage amps is a blitz gap

That was the main reason I used the versions in the OP

Would they be able to deal significant damage to Luffy or would they just morph his rubbery body?

depends on if luffy have the time to transform them into rubber he can also enchant his weapon with hellblaze to get a 10x amp

Luffy can also turn them to rubber himself to avoid taking a lot of damage.

Luffy explicitly is not touching them.

he got touched on many occasions by attacks far slower than ON

Luffy's own heat resistance scales far above natural lightning heat as well, so regardless it wouldn't harm Luffy majorly.

Zeldris can generate the black purgatory fire of the Demon Clan, capable of nullifying the regeneration of immortals like Ban. Hellblaze can be coated on Zeldris' body or weapon to enhance his strikes. He can generate large area-of-effect explosions, which he used to destroy Stigma's Light of Grace tower. He can also shoot blasts of fire from his hands, which he used to attack Merlin through her viewing gem. The black fire cannot be put out normally, and was able to burn down the Fairy King's Forest despite the Forest being immune to natural fire.

He put Merlin's soul to sleep? Luffy has a layered resistance to this.

He inflicted a magical Curse to her putting her in a coma Luffy has no resistance to it and Zeldris has Resistance negation on it
That’s just one of his magics

ON litteraly hits thousands of times in one go Luffy won’t survive it

 

[Makai641001]

They're blitz levels far beyond 4x, with even higher reactions.

No value ? Cause Even DM1 is a blitz gap DM2 with ON too DM3 too rage amp too

I don't care about the calc, I'm asking about an accepted multiplier.

There is no accepted multiplier don’t listen to him he Said 25x cause base Zel Scale to SOL And his ON was calculated to be 25c as a lowball and Full react is even above

The AP gap is not nearly enough, sorry. Zeldris' AP isn't even above Gear 4th Luffy, let alone Gear 5th.

It is with enchantments

But my question is why would you create a vs if you think that one of the characters can’t be touched or affected in any way by the other + giving him blitz gaps above him…

Luffy can’t resist Zel’s curse manip and if Hellblaze hits on a weapon or ON Luffy is fcked

 

[Kachon123]

We are talking about a dude that now scale closer to the deities than to OD… could put a fight against and harm a 300 zettatons being without ON.

A dude that could before even having his third mark fight on par and even harm severely someone that one shotted a value 3.5 times above Luffy’s base with normal attacks (not enchanted ones which is a 10x multiplier and not with ON)

Could you rephrase this?

Luffy's base also scales to someone who could casually one-shot this value when in a much weaker state. We're better off just debating just assuming the numbers listed in their profiles and the OP represent the accurate gap between their power because they both have scaling chains and it gets subjective and convoluted quick.

But it would be a bit late to transform ON being at least 30 zettatons for EACH hit.

Why would he be late? Luffy can literally see several seconds into the future. His transformation is instant.

if zel starts in base he'll transform instantly in DM2 in character which is 4x
In CBL he has a mark similar to AM which is just far higher and rage amps is a blitz gap

In the OP I linked 3rd Demon Mark Zeldris.

depends on if luffy have the time to transform them into rubber he can also enchant his weapon with hellblaze to get a 10x amp

Rubberizing is a passive effect of Gear 5th.

he got touched on many occasions by attacks far slower than ON

This is not a speed-based thing. Luffy is literally able to attack without touching his opponent, and he in-verse has used it to bypass attacks that can burn him, so he would be capable of dealing with Hellblaze without actually having to physically touch it.

Zeldris can generate the black purgatory fire of the Demon Clan, capable of nullifying the regeneration of immortals like Ban. Hellblaze can be coated on Zeldris' body or weapon to enhance his strikes. He can generate large area-of-effect explosions, which he used to destroy Stigma's Light of Grace tower. He can also shoot blasts of fire from his hands, which he used to attack Merlin through her viewing gem. The black fire cannot be put out normally, and was able to burn down the Fairy King's Forest despite the Forest being immune to natural fire.

I'm well aware. Luffy has layered Resistance to Resistance Negation.

He inflicted a magical Curse to her putting her in a coma Luffy has no resistance to it and Zeldris has Resistance negation on it
That’s just one of his magics

He does. Both Gecko Moria and Trafalgar Law's abilities do the same. This get resisted, as does the resistance negation.

ON litteraly hits thousands of times in one go Luffy won’t survive it

Luffy can defend himself by rubberizing the ground around him and using it as a shield.

No value ? Cause Even DM1 is a blitz gap DM2 with ON too DM3 too rage amp too

Gear 2nd in itself is a amp capable of blitzing characters with potent Precognition who were able to avoid even his fastest base attacks with their eyes closed.

Gear 4: Snakeman is a stated >4x speed boost to that. This speed increases over time via acceleration.

Gear 5 is capable of keeping up with and at times out-speeding characters who could blitz an accelerated Gear 4: Snakeman.

Luffy has can see several seconds into the future on top of this and can boost his reaction speed with Kenbunshoku Haki, which lets people see in slow motion.

So basically far, far above a 4x boost.

But my question is why would you create a vs if you think that one of the characters can’t be touched or affected in any way by the other

I never said this. Luffy starts in base. Zeldris has an AP advantage, just not a one-shot one like you seem to believe since both fighters have scaling chains backing them up. Luffy wouldn't go to Gear 5th immediately until Zeldris pushes him to do so with enchantments or Luffy uses future sight to see Ominous Nebula.

Luffy can’t resist Zel’s curse manip and if Hellblaze hits on a weapon or ON Luffy is fcked

I'm yet to see why not.

As for Hellblaze, Luffy has resistance to resistance negation so his heat resistance would be fine here, but regardless Luffy in Gear 5th is capable of bypassing being burnt as he can just shake it off thanks to his Subjective Reality

 

[speedster352]

Luffy can defend himself by rubberizing the ground around him and using it as a shield.

Ominous nebula can destroy inanimate objects so that would have limited success.

 

[Kachon123]

Ominous nebula can destroy inanimate objects so that would have limited success.

And Bolo Breath vaporized an entire mountain yet Luffy was able to block it using the ground. The things Luffy rubberize gain his properties.

 

[speedster352]

And Bolo Breath vaporized an entire mountain yet Luffy was able to block it using the ground. The things Luffy rubberize gain his properties.

So they would still have a vulnerability to cutting attacks that works in Zeldris’ favour then.

 

[speedster352]

He does. Both Gecko Moria and Trafalgar Law's abilities do the same. This get resisted, as does the resistance negation.

Do you have scans for this? Because I don't see a resistance to curse infliction on Luffy's profile. Also curses can have different effects so unless Luffy resist curse infliction he would either be incapacitated or rendered immobile by ominous bind.

 

[Makai641001]

Could you rephrase this?

Zel can harm 300 zt beings like SD/DK

He could harm Mael that scales a one shot gap above 1.5 zt without even using enchantments…

Using enchantments the gap is 35x higher with ON

Luffy's base also scales to someone who could casually one-shot this value when in a much weaker state. We're better off just debating just assuming the numbers listed in their profiles and the OP represent the accurate gap between their power because they both have scaling chains and it gets subjective and convoluted quick.

It just doesn’t make sense to argue about Luffy being able to withstand things like ON

Why would he be late? Luffy can literally see several seconds into the future. His transformation is instant.

Even without Using ON Zeldris has the AP gap to one tap Luffy

In the OP I linked 3rd Demon Mark Zeldris.

So if i understand correctly:
Luffy has ALL his amps and can instantly Power up multiple blitz gaps
Zeldris have his speed amps restricted since he starts in DM3 And only has Rage power.

ON while being horrendously faster And able to litteraly turn luffy to dust can’t make damage due to G5

Hellblaze that negates Resistance and scales higher than anything ever displayed against Luffy won’t work due to NLF G5

And on top of that Luffy can now resist magical Cursed despite not having magic in His verse and never Even resisting a Curse/not having resistance to curse manip in his profile

Rubberizing is a passive effect of Gear 5th.

This is not a speed-based thing. Luffy is literally able to attack without touching his opponent, and he in-verse has used it to bypass attacks that can burn him, so he would be capable of dealing with Hellblaze without actually having to physically touch it.

Hellblaze is an AOE attack being able to punch through won’t help + it can’t be extinguished

I'm well aware. Luffy has layered Resistance to Resistance Negation.

Users with superior Buso can resist the affects of Haki negating their resistances, shown with Gear 4th Luffynegating Doflamingo's negation of Luffy's resistance to physical attacks

How does it prevent him from getting cursed lol

He does. Both Gecko Moria and Trafalgar Law's abilities do the same. This get resisted, as does the resistance negation.

No they don’t use magical curses

Luffy can defend himself by rubberizing the ground around him and using it as a shield.

Ok Zeldris will just make his Darkness tendrils attack wherever Luffy doesn’t protect himself

Gear 2nd in itself is a amp capable of blitzing characters with potent Precognition who were able to avoid even his fastest base attacks with their eyes closed.

Ok

Gear 4: Snakeman is a stated >4x speed boost to that. This speed increases over time via acceleration.

Ok

Gear 5 is capable of keeping up with and at times out-speeding characters who could blitz an accelerated Gear 4: Snakeman.

Ok

Luffy has can see several seconds into the future on top of this and can boost his reaction speed with Kenbunshoku Haki, which lets people see in slow motion.

So basically far, far above a 4x boost.

So it’s a good idea for you to make zel start in DM3 but Luffy in base

I never said this. Luffy starts in base. Zeldris has an AP advantage, just not a one-shot one like you seem to believe since both fighters have scaling chains backing them up.

He does tho

Luffy wouldn't go to Gear 5th immediately until Zeldris pushes him to do so with enchantments or Luffy uses future sight to see Ominous Nebula.

Which Zeldris will use anyway which mean the ending is the same

Atp just use TMF Meliodas for us to yell EE stomp

 

[Kachon123]

So they would still have a vulnerability to cutting attacks that works in Zeldris’ favour then.

Nope, and his attacks are accepted to send attacks at 8x the force of the opponent's attacks back at them.

 

[Kachon123]

Do you have scans for this? Because I don't see a resistance to curse infliction on Luffy's profile. Also curses can have different effects so unless Luffy resist curse infliction he would either be incapacitated or rendered immobile by ominous bind.

Both of them can put the soul to sleep.

 

[Makai641001]

Both of them can put the soul to sleep.

They don’t use magical curses he doesn’t resist curses he resists their soul manip that has a different cause.

 

[Kachon123]

Zel can harm 300 zt beings like SD/DK

So then he's 300 Zettatons?

It just doesn’t make sense to argue about Luffy being able to withstand things like ON

I don't see why not. Especially when using Haki defense.

Even without Using ON Zeldris has the AP gap to one tap Luffy

Luffy is 7 Zettatons, ON is 30 Zettatons, am I missing something?

So if i understand correctly:
Luffy has ALL his amps and can instantly Power up multiple blitz gaps
Zeldris have his speed amps restricted since he starts in DM3 And only has Rage power.

ON while being horrendously faster And able to litteraly turn luffy to dust can’t make damage due to G5

Hellblaze that negates Resistance and scales higher than anything ever displayed against Luffy won’t work due to NLF G5

And on top of that Luffy can now resist magical Cursed despite not having magic in His verse and never Even resisting a Curse/not having resistance to curse manip in his profile

Yes Ominous Nebula is such a massive amp for both AP and speed that it's fair in a speed equalized match to start Zeldris in his strongest form. Especially when he starts with an AP advantage with access to enchants. If you want Zeldris to start in base I'll just unequalize speed if that's fine for you.

"Due to NLF Gear 5" when I sent you scans and the ability is on his profile. You can either whine about it or actually have a counter. If you don't that's also fine. You're also ignoring the fact that Haki has layered resistance to resistance negation so Hellblaze wouldn't work regardless.

I asked you what the curses do and you said it puts your soul into a coma. Characters in One Piece and Luffy specifically has resistances to this so I don't know what to tell you.

Hellblaze is an AOE attack being able to punch through won’t help + it can’t be extinguished

It's a plume of flames, I've seen NNT. Luffy has attack reflection so it the flames would be burning elsewhere.

Ok Zeldris will just make his Darkness tendrils attack wherever Luffy doesn’t protect himself

... He'll just cover himself?

 

[Makai641001]

Anyway I don’t see Zeldris winning this, Luffy would apparently go G5 instantly due to the AP difference and make ON basically useless on top of having restricted speed amps for Zel.

Full react would give him impregnable defense as long as Luffy doesn’t pull Class E moves that would break ON.

His only real win con is Layered curse manip

 

[Kachon123]

They don’t use magical curses he doesn’t resist curses he resists their soul manip that has a different cause.

Makai, curses are afflictions of with various effects. If you're already able to resist these effects then you're fine.

 

[Arkenis]

I’ve just read a bunch of talk about blitzing and multipliers, what are either win cons?

 

[Makai641001]

So then he's 300 Zettatons?

He downscales from the gods

I don't see why not. Especially when using Haki defense.

Luffy is 7 Zettatons, ON is 30 Zettatons, am I missing something?

I was talking about base Luffy that has a 3.5 x gap with Zel’s AP without enchantments and a 35x difference with enchantments far higher with ON

Yes Ominous Nebula is such a massive amp for both AP and speed that it's fair in a speed equalized match to start Zeldris in his strongest form. Especially when he starts with an AP advantage with access to enchants. If you want Zeldris to start in base I'll just unequalize speed if that's fine for you.

You can unequalize speed if you want that would make Luffy almost FTL + in G5 ON 25c higher with Full react it won’t really change shit

"Due to NLF Gear 5" when I sent you scans and the ability is on his profile. You can either whine about it or actually have a counter. If you don't that's also fine. You're also ignoring the fact that Haki has layered resistance to resistance negation so Hellblaze wouldn't work regardless.

Yeah sure

I asked you what the curses do and you said it puts your soul into a coma. Characters in One Piece and Luffy specifically has resistances to this so I don't know what to tell you.

Show me somewhere in his profile where it states that he resists magical induced curse manip

It's a plume of flames, I've seen NNT. Luffy has attack reflection so it the flames would be burning elsewhere.

Can he reflect omnidirectionally at the same time ?

... He'll just cover himself?

Yeah sure

I’ll vote Luffy and unwatch this

 

[Makai641001]

I’ve just read a bunch of talk about blitzing and multipliers, what are either win cons?

Nothing for Zeldris and basically everything for Luffy

 

[Kachon123]

He downscales from the gods

He downscales from 300 Zettatons to 1.513/30 Zettatons?

I was talking about base Luffy that has a 3.5 x gap with Zel’s AP without enchantments and a 35x difference with enchantments far higher with ON

Oh alright that makes sense. Yeah if base Luffy gets hit with Zel with enchantments then he might be cooked, but is that also a ten times speed multiplier? Luffy might be able to avoid getting hit since he has pretty good sensory abilities.

Show me somewhere in his profile where it states that he resists magical induced curse manip

You know what I'll give that to Zeldris. How does Zeldris land his curses?

Can he reflect omnidirectionally at the same time ?

Yes

 

[Makai641001]

He downscales from 300 Zettatons to 1.513/30 Zettatons?

Likely from 300 zt in CBL 1.5 to 30 as NNT EOS

Oh alright that makes sense. Yeah if base Luffy gets hit with Zel with enchantments then he might be cooked, but is that also a ten times speed multiplier?

Nah just AP

Luffy might be able to avoid getting hit since he has pretty good sensory abilities.

Idk

You know what I'll give that to Zeldris. How does Zeldris land his curses?


Yes

Ok so he gets hit but avoided getting burned and co due to haki

 

[Kachon123]

Ok so he gets hit but avoided getting burned and co due to haki

Yeah I think that's possible

Likely from 300 zt in CBL 1.5 to 30 as NNT EOS

Well he'd one-shot in CBL right?

 

[Makai641001]

Yeah I think that's possible

For Zel to be able to curse Luffy all he need is an AOE Hellblaze attack

Well he'd one-shot in CBL right?

Yeah pretty much but as EOS Zeldris he has less control over ON until he cooks DK’s hermit

 

[Kachon123]

For Zel to be able to curse Luffy all he need is an AOE Hellblaze attack

Would it count as hitting Luffy in the case of something like this?

Yeah pretty much but as EOS Zeldris he has less control over ON until he cooks DK’s hermit

In CBL does only ON downscale 300 Zettatons or do Zeldris' base and demon marks as well?

 

[Makai641001]

Would it count as hitting Luffy in the case of something like this?

If Zeldris give Luffy the Dolor treatment yeah

In CBL does only ON downscale 300 Zettatons or do Zeldris' base and demon marks as well?

Demon marks as he was able to damage SD with ominous bind and tyrant killing

 

[speedster352]

Would it count as hitting Luffy in the case of something like this?


In CBL does only ON downscale 300 Zettatons or do Zeldris' base and demon marks as well?

Would ominous bind work here? It a spell/curse that binds the opponent. It even worked on the supreme deity.

 

[Kachon123]

Would ominous bind work here? It a spell/curse that binds the opponent. It even worked on the supreme deity.

Luffy is Class E in Base and Class Y in Gear 5th, so no.

 

[speedster352]

Luffy is Class E in Base and Class Y in Gear 5th, so no.

Tyrant killing has deconstruction does Luffy resist that?

 

[Kachon123]

Tyrant killing has deconstruction does Luffy resist that?

No I don't believe so

 

[speedster352]

No I don't believe so

So that would be a viable win condition then. But I think Zeldris would just use ON, which would lead to a loss for Luffy or incon.

 

[Kachon123]

But I think Zeldris would just use ON, which would lead to a loss for Luffy or incon

Couldn't Luffy use Dawn Cymbal to grow giant and squish Zeldris and the darkness vortex around him between his palms?

 

[speedster352]

Couldn't Luffy use Dawn Cymbal to grow giant and squish Zeldris and the darkness vortex around him between his palms?

And lose his hands in the process, and it still wouldn't work, he doesn't have the speed or ap to break it. The thing is that Zeldris can strengthen the barrier which was able to briefly hold back the one Escanor.

 

[Kachon123]

And lose his hands in the process, and it still wouldn't work, he doesn't have the speed or ap to break it. The thing is that Zeldris can strengthen the barrier which was able to briefly hold back the one Escanor.

Why? Luffy's transmuting them into rubber when he makes contact and he has superior LS so they'll be squished flat.

 

[speedster352]

Why? Luffy's transmuting them into rubber when he makes contact and he has superior LS so they'll be squished flat.

He has to touch it to transmute it again if Luffy is going to start in gear 5? The thing is that if you were to touch a shredder to transmute it would you take damage, or would you transmute every single blade without taking damage? If ON was weaker, then I would agree, but it's faster, stronger and has the chance to one-shot. Ls strength is not enough to beat ON, you need the ap above it to break it, just like the one Escanor did.

 

[Kachon123]

He has to touch it to transmute it again if Luffy is going to start in gear 5?

.... Luffy will see it several seconds ahead of time so he'd use it right before Zeldris uses ON.

The thing is that if you were to touch a shredder to transmute it would you take damage, or would you transmute every single blade without taking damage?

Yeah Luffy would be getting hit, but the darkness would be blunt rubber appendages instead of cutting.

Ls strength is not enough to beat ON, you need the ap above it to break it, just like the one Escanor did

Luffy is not breaking it. It is transmutation hax.

 

[speedster352]

.... Luffy will see it several seconds ahead of time so he'd use it right before Zeldris uses ON.

Yeah Luffy would be getting hit, but the darkness would be blunt rubber appendages instead of cutting.

Luffy is not breaking it. It is transmutation hax.

That wouldn't be enough, though. Zeldris can still control the darkness, he can just keep making the darkness sharper. It wouldn't change anything because the counterattack will still happen.

Ominous Nebula is a technique of extreme concentration where Zeldris revolves his dark energy around him at immense speeds to the point of seeming invisible, creating a vortex that surrounds and attracts all living beings around him. This power makes the air flow and creates a vacuum and everything that comes in contact with it is sliced by Zeldris at a god-like speed by pure reflexes, making this technique a Full React「全反応フルリアクト, Furu Riakuto」. The attack power of the technique is virtually insurmountable as any object or person that comes into Zeldris' stance radius is instantly diced or knock away by instinct unless they possess sufficient fortitude or can destroy Zeldris' blade. The technique was powerful enough to damage Escanor in his state as The One of Sunshine albeit with only some cuts and bruises while in comparison Assault Mode Meliodas' Kami Chigiri had no effect.

We already talked about the speed difference between Luffy and ON unless you have concrete numbers that make him able to see something 25x faster than he wouldn't be able to see it, not to mention tramsute every tendril of darkness without taking damage.

 

[Kachon123]

That wouldn't be enough, though. Zeldris can still control the darkness, he can just keep making the darkness sharper. It wouldn't change anything because the counterattack will still happen.

This is marco-quantum level transmutation. That won't work.

We already talked about the speed difference between Luffy and ON unless you have concrete numbers that make him able to see something 25x faster than he wouldn't be able to see it, not to mention tramsute every tendril of darkness without taking damage.

It's not 25x faster than Gear 5.