Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Might be a range issue.

that sounds like the worst outcome of the two.

 

[Lycoris4812]

that sounds like the worst outcome of the two.

I mean, only for Ivarje.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

I mean, only for Ivarje.

Exactly.

 

[CodeCCLL]

I swear, If Fuze adds some shitty Plot manipulation, (an R>F) with a dream or story shit, I am nuking the verse myself. (speaking about the LN here specifically)

To late, I already added "immunity to nuking" to all pages, you can't do anything.

Also, as long as R>F only applies to All-One, I have no problem.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

To late, I already added "immunity to nuking" to all pages, you can't do anything.

Also, as long as R>F only applies to All-One, I have no problem.

So how do you feel about fuse's writing decisions lately

 

[CodeCCLL]

Tensura is full of amazing albeit some generic ideas, but suffers from poor execution and most times amateurish and lazy writing on Fuse's part. Perhaps due to pressure to wrap up the series quickly and his lack of assertiveness.

The story doesn’t really need deeply complex characters, but it needs a consistent sequence of events that unveils the world and the many beings and coherent lore to stay engaging.

However, the antagonists, who often show real potential are given very little screen time and killed off or humiliated not long after their introduction.

The parts I quoted are a summary of my thoughts.

 

[CodeCCLL]

This guy...

 

[MetaChronos]

Can I use this website for scans and quotes as well. Along with slime reader.

 

[PrimeHydra64]

Can I use this website for scans and quotes as well. Along with slime reader.

Should be fine, that is the OTL after all.

 

[Mizuki67]

Aint her skill able to push her speed to imme but even having such skill still didn't work on Suspended world on vol 19

She narratively cant reach light speed did you read the novels, anyone who tries that get scorched due to excess explosion of energy and time stop pauses all laws of physics including the laws of motion

I have a question. Rimuru has law manipulation, probability manipulation etc etc. But does he have anything to go against plot manipulation?

No

 

[Mizuki67]

Been pretty shit and inconsistent since V15 imo

What was the inconsistency that was made

 

[Violatas]

She narratively cant reach light speed did you read the novels, anyone who tries that get scorched due to excess explosion of energy and time stop pauses all laws of physics including the laws of motion

Tensura speed is funny. Reminds me, anyone plan on addressing the rela reactions on the LN profiles? Because that's very much not consistent which I'm sure all those who are caught up on the LN know. That's one thing I do believe should be downgraded. Sucks, but it is what it is.

Also wtf another downgrade thread already? Just woke up.

 

[Cloelolo_60021]

TenSura LN Major Misleading Revision - Part 3 (Revised)

Don't turn this thread into some drama. If enough evidence or arguments are provided to support the current listed rating, I have no problem closing the thread without any changes. Justification should be upgraded in the profile. Currently many characters are scaled to 2-C in Tensura LN...

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5-B Tensura is coming, Eldenmede, aka No. 1 Tensura supporter, is really working hard

 

[Mizuki67]

TenSura LN Major Misleading Revision - Part 3 (Revised)

Don't turn this thread into some drama. If enough evidence or arguments are provided to support the current listed rating, I have no problem closing the thread without any changes. Justification should be upgraded in the profile. Currently many characters are scaled to 2-C in Tensura LN...

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5-B Tensura is coming, Eldenmede, aka No. 1 Tensura supporter, is really working hard

, AP did need to be revised but there are 2-C mfs

 

[Quaserbreak]

TenSura LN Major Misleading Revision - Part 3 (Revised)

Don't turn this thread into some drama. If enough evidence or arguments are provided to support the current listed rating, I have no problem closing the thread without any changes. Justification should be upgraded in the profile. Currently many characters are scaled to 2-C in Tensura LN...

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5-B Tensura is coming, Eldenmede, aka No. 1 Tensura supporter, is really working hard

THis is crazy lol

 

[Re5yh]

these

TenSura LN Major Misleading Revision - Part 3 (Revised)

Don't turn this thread into some drama. If enough evidence or arguments are provided to support the current listed rating, I have no problem closing the thread without any changes. Justification should be upgraded in the profile. Currently many characters are scaled to 2-C in Tensura LN...

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5-B Tensura is coming, Eldenmede, aka No. 1 Tensura supporter, is really working hard

these people who are downgrading characters don't have a perfect knowledge of the cosmology.
they are still giving tensura false tiers
Rimuru: High 1-B
The Great Holy Spirit: High 1-A

 

[Wesker018]

these

these people who are downgrading characters don't have a perfect knowledge of the cosmology.
they are still giving tensura false tiers
Rimuru: High 1-B
The Great Holy Spirit: High 1-A

 

[EJSenpai]

Mans has to be trolling because there's no way

 

[PrimeHydra64]

Even though I heavily disagree with that scale, I don't think putting him down is the way to go here.

 

[Doomrider7]

Even though I heavily disagree with that scale, I don't think putting him down is the way to go here.

But how else are you supposed to feel bigvamd superior if not by punching down?

 

[Wesker018]

But how else are you supposed to feel bigvamd superior if not by punching down?

 

[Mizuki67]

these

these people who are downgrading characters don't have a perfect knowledge of the cosmology.
they are still giving tensura false tiers
Rimuru: High 1-B
The Great Holy Spirit: High 1-A

Who is you?

 

[PrimeHydra64]

Like the thread says we should collect our counter arguments here then post it in the other thread.
@PHANtomFELdway @CodeCCLL
My counter arguments are:
Subspace (Gap between dimensions) ≠ OtherWorld (Place where Ivarage and the Cryptids are) so otherworlds vaster than the universe statement still holds up.

True Dragons should scale to pre-evil god Ivarage (Ivarage's power rivals true dragons) Eldemade said that it took veldanava but there was no other true dragon to my knowledge that was fighting it since velzard was in the star palace and velgrynd was unknown

Breakdown Nostalgia should still have universal Ap despite it's range being solar system (due to it having a hidden power not seen since the creation of the universe and because of Diablo's EOTWR imitating the Collapse of the World.

At that moment, Dino's six pairs of twelve black and white wings shined. Dino's twin swords - the Golden Sword (Excalibur) and the Dark Silver Sword (Kali Vaughn) - converged with immense power.

"Fallen Crusade!"

The white light blade and the black shadow blade intersected beautifully at the center of the tetrahedron, leaving an afterglow.

And - at that very moment, the flowers burst forth into bloom unilaterally.

"Prominence Acceleration!"

"End of the World Requiem!"

"Devastator Storm!"

(491-498)


Benimaru's "Prominence Acceleration" is the strongest and most powerful of all.

Diablo's "End of World Requiem" is the ultimate illusionary elemental catastrophe magic, which reproduces the collapse of the world and causes localized destruction. It is a combination of Skill, Art, and Magic, and needless to say, it was Diablo's original and the most powerful and worst secret.

And Zegion's "Devastator Storm," which was also Zegion's most powerful technique, has been transformed into "Dimension Storm" by incorporating the power entrusted to it by Zelanus, and it had evolved to be even more unbelievable. Zegion's most powerful technique, "Dimension Storm," had evolved into something even more vicious.

Each of them demonstrated their maximum power. The numerous superb techniques that were unleashed every inch of the way reached the center of the tetrahedron at exactly the right moment, just as if they were covered by the techniques unleashed by Dino.

In the labyrinthine waste section sitting there, a colorless polar light bloomed, beautifully coloring the subspace. It was beautiful and worthy of being presented.

However, the hidden power of the light was the greatest since the creation of the universe, and it produced a destructive force of utter disaster. The inside of the tetrahedron, which was constructed so as not to miss its power, is filled with the disasters of destruction.

Quartet Skill: Breakdown Nostalgia.

Yuuki's statement on the Rainbow orb being a world, a universe is literal and them being the same thing but is phrased like that for dramatic effect. and goes on to say they are worlds afterwords. So, that statement still holds up and It also behaves as a universe as they have time flowing inside them.

Official Translation Requests Thread (New forum)

Please, someone help me translate this, huhuhu...

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Full Context:

 

[Berga14]

Here a replay that i never sent in the downgrade crt. There isn't much here but anyway. (Obviously this was an answer to Eldemade)

"Velgrynd's DC range does not surpass the Solar System."

I still don't understand this.

Velgrynd DC range is solar system because the AP of the feat where she destroyed 50 floors < Quartet skill AP?



1) first why are we (you) considering Velgrynd total strength/range and not just the one in the 50 floors feat?

Velgrynd is literally the only character with a feat of destroying a large number of floors in 1 attack, it's logic that the autor decided to compare this 2.
Edit: we have never seen a full strength Velgrynd.


2) part of the Quartet skill was about isolating the 30 floors in a limited barrier so at most we can say that the barrier has solar system range which has nothing to do with the AP within.



3) i didn't have much time to follow the entire crt but i guess that with this you wanted to say that the "small and weak worlds" were solar system level. But our universe is (in) one of those worlds...



So at most we can say this:

50 floor feat AP < Quartet AP

 

[Lycoris4812]

We need to make a sandbox with all the arguments.

 

[Violatas]

Like the thread says we should collect our counter arguments here then post it in the other thread.
@PHANtomFELdway @CodeCCLL
My counter arguments are:
Subspace (Gap between dimensions) ≠ OtherWorld (Place where Ivarage and the Cryptids are) so otherworlds vaster than the universe statement still holds up.

True Dragons should scale to pre-evil god Ivarage (Ivarage's power rivals true dragons) Eldemade said that it took veldanava but there was no other true dragon to my knowledge that was fighting it since velzard was in the star palace and velgrynd was unknown

Yeah I reread the fight and it's never implied the other True Dragons fought Ivarage at the time. Just Feldway was doing his job of subduing threats and eventually challenged Ivarage, and it's implied he put up somewhat of a fight too given it was described as a fierce struggle before Veldanava intervened

 

[ZERGESS]

what is the nature of multilayer/multi dimensional barrier? Is it uni in Size

 

[Mizuki67]

I don't get this absolute shit show of a wiki, if we want to upgrade we MUST wait for OTL but if there's a downgrade then can just translate it themselves?, is that it? What type of disgusting rule is that, this is pissing me off, that.....whatever tf he is, used scans from volume 21 to justify his downgrade and even last time, the low 1-C downgrade he still used future volumes to do, are we really keeping quiet about this stupid shit vsbw is pulling?, didn't alot of us use TL team for most of the upgrade?, didn't @Astral even did well to leave a Japanese TL to confirm if anything is wrong what's this bullshit going on, pardon my language but y'all are so damn calm, im sure this eldemade nagging us or making a downgrade out of pure spite

 

[Mizuki67]

Plus the fact that he's now even adding plot points that never happened and no one reads them, wtf is a world is solar system level, where tf was that mentioned in any scans that exist in slime?

 

[Violatas]

I don't get this absolute shit show of a wiki, if we want to upgrade we MUST wait for OTL but if there's a downgrade then can just translate it themselves?, is that it? What type of disgusting rule is that, this is pissing me off, that.....whatever tf he is, used scans from volume 21 to justify his downgrade and even last time, the low 1-C downgrade he still used future volumes to do, are we really keeping quiet about this stupid shit vsbw is pulling?, didn't alot of us use TL team for most of the upgrade?, didn't @Astral even did well to leave a Japanese TL to confirm if anything is wrong what's this bullshit going on, pardon my language but y'all are so damn calm, im sure this eldemade nagging us or making a downgrade out of pure spite

It's whatever to me, frankly he does bring up some good points here and there. Like some of the mistranslations and that context on the "world" and "dimension" statements should be critiqued more which even Code seems to agree with.
I'd have preferred waiting on volume 21 official TL before any significant threads but ah well

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Knowing how toxic the thread gets whenever someone genuinely tries to fix the mess in the verse, I didn’t want to comment—but seriously, I’ve had enough of some people just complaining without doing anything productive for the verse.

I don't get this absolute shit show of a wiki, if we want to upgrade we MUST wait for OTL but if there's a downgrade then can just translate it themselves?, is that it? What type of disgusting rule is that, this is pissing me off, that.....whatever tf he is, used scans from volume 21 to justify his downgrade and even last time, the low 1-C downgrade he still used future volumes to do, are we really keeping quiet about this stupid shit vsbw is pulling?, didn't alot of us use TL team for most of the upgrade?, didn't @Astral even did well to leave a Japanese TL to confirm if anything is wrong what's this bullshit going on, pardon my language but y'all are so damn calm, im sure this eldemade nagging us or making a downgrade out of pure spite

When was it stated that? The discussion rules do say that you can get Wiki translation helpers to upgrade, downgrade, or fix something. Also, I haven’t translated a single scan myself, unlike Astral, who used his dictionary. All the scans I used are from the Wiki translators' translations. You are free to report me if I'm using my own translations instead of Wiki translators Translation.

Discussion Rule for Tensura

So, given the discussion that took place regarding Tensura translation issues in the RVR, and the general consensus on establishing strict rules against human-edited MTLs for the verse due to recurring issues with misleading and dishonest translations as described in following post. I propose...

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OTL is preferable over MTL—that’s what the rule states. It says nothing about stopping you from upgrading with reliable sources. Astral manipulated some scans, which is why he got banned. So close that topic. If you have a problem, take it up with the staff who actually banned him, and defend him if you believe he had no mistranslations or manipulations in the scans. Don't take your frustrations here.

I hope you and few people who only complains starts reading the full thread. Instead of just spreading the hatred for me and wiki for no reason.

 

[Violatas]

Knowing how toxic the thread gets whenever someone genuinely tries to fix the mess in the verse, I didn’t want to comment—but seriously, I’ve had enough of some people just complaining without doing anything productive for the verse.

I'm still relatively new to this thread, is it toxic? Yeah there's some here who seem to use tik tok scaling or whatever but I've yet to see anything outrageous. I also commented on the rela reactions needing to be potentially downgraded and no seemed upset.

 

[Berga14]

I also commented on the rela reactions needing to be potentially downgrade

"Rela reaction" ?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I'm still relatively new to this thread, is it toxic? Yeah there's some here who seem to use tik tok scaling or whatever but I've yet to see anything outrageous.

Well not all of them some are chill. But some like above just starts complaining without even knowing what they are talking about.

I also commented on the rela reactions needing to be potentially downgraded and no seemed upset.

Well to be fair I'm grateful for you to be maintaining neutral stance. The current thread is not heated that much compared to previous threads where people would just starts spamming disagree without even giving any counters just because they didn't liked any downgrades for the verse.

 

[Violatas]

"Rela reaction" ?

The Relativistic+ ratings on a bunch of the LN profiles cause it's not at all consistent and is contradicted heavily

 

[Berga14]

spamming disagree without even giving any counters just because they didn't liked any downgrades for the verse.

Well, this happens everywhere and to be fair, last downgrade (speed one) was nosense. The only thing that made sense was you first comment in regard of some feats about combat speed.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Well, this happens everywhere and to be fair, last downgrade (speed one) was nosense. The only thing that made sense was you first comment in regard of some feats about combat speed.

Well, I'll just agree to disagree then. I don't want to go back and forth on that topic. I'm just not seeing the POV you're seeing on the speed feats in the verse, and vice versa.

 

[Berga14]

Well, I'll just agree to disagree then. I don't want to go back and forth on that topic. I'm just not seeing the POV you're seeing on the speed feats in the verse, and vice versa.

i was okay with taking down combat speed cause it is was weird and so i was okay with reworking the speed page.
Anyway @CodeCCLL where you the one working on speed? Or planning to?

 

[Quaserbreak]

Knowing how toxic the thread gets whenever someone genuinely tries to fix the mess in the verse, I didn’t want to comment—but seriously, I’ve had enough of some people just complaining without doing anything productive for the verse.

You are indirectly just calling the supporters incompetent Mr Fixer.

Most of your downgrades are just nit-picking and cheery picking. OTL says Zalario destroyed dimensions, you say he conquered them, If OTL says weak world ( which is world without magicles), you say it's a small planet instead, you want the size of every labyrinth floor when scan says it stretches out infinitely...etc

It’s selective interpretation to discredit the verse, and that’s exactly why discussions here go nowhere. You want to twist statements just to suit your downgrades. It's not your fault though. That said I am not attacking you or anything, it's just annoying when you see your favourite verse getting this treatment and there's nothing to contribute cuz I'm pretty new to all this.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

You are indirectly just calling the supporters incompetent Mr Fixer.

Did I?

Most of your downgrades are just nit-picking and cheery picking. OTL says Zalario destroyed dimensions, you say he conquered them, If OTL says weak world ( which is world without magicles), you say it's a small planet instead, you want the size of every labyrinth floor when scan says it stretches out infinitely...etc

Well, this is why I didn’t want to comment on this thread. None of you reads the thread and you just start attacking. Never once did I say that those weak worlds are small planets.

Also, OTL gets some stuff wrong — it’s nothing new. There’s enough evidence that points towards the conquest, not destroys them.

It’s selective interpretation to discredit the verse, and that’s exactly why discussions here go nowhere. You want to twist statements just to suit your downgrades. It's not your fault though. That said I am not attacking you or anything, it's just annoying when you see your favourite verse getting this treatment and there's nothing to contribute cuz I'm pretty new to all this.

You are indirectly attacking but whatever I'm just gonna unfollow the thread.