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Yogiri's Death Manipulation Removal (technically an upgrade ig)

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ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn said:
Some of the quotes still kind of sound like Death Manipulation to me, but fair enough.
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That's the gimmick of the verse so yeah, obviously everything would be in the lens of "Death manipulation" but personally I vastly prefer the way his power work as I laid out in the OP rather than assuming "he can kill object that aren't even alive in the first place", he could've, but that's goofy and not the case here.
 
ashen said:
For those scans only, it seems pretty clear the MP (magical power) is at least some sort of metaphysical aspect.
We can even think that it could be some sort of type 1 concept due to the fact that even when you break down a table until Nothing remains :

however if I remember correctly MP could be affected by the « perception » of someone exemple : the simple fact of recognizing an attacks as powerful will make it more powerful.

this would actually pose problems with it being a Type 1 concept knowing that the soul, is the source of consciousness is also technically an « object » of MP as proven above by @SweetDao scans.

So since the act of recognition come from consciousness at the very base who is the soul, that would mean MP is getting affected by one of its object.

So it would most likely be type 2 concept UNTIL we prove that the very act of recognition is originating from pure MP itself rather than the consciousness/soul.

Ps : I assumed that the act of recognition come from the soul since it is consciousness by definition, and as far as I am aware you need a form of consciousness to recognize something as « powerful ». If there is other scans saying consciousness actually emerges from MP directly it could be a type 1.
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Edit : I did forgot to put that here but funnily enough dressing yourself in particular way make your MP grow, having a good presence make your MP grow…
« "Thinner?" Al asked again, not really understanding what he meant.

"You know, sometimes there are people who have no presence, right? It's like that. Magical power is the power of existence. In other words, if your magical power decreases, your presence decreases."

"Is that all?" Lilia asked in surprise. It certainly seemed strange that magic could be used with something so minor. Al had thought that there must be some kind of compensation.

"It's best not to underestimate the loss of presence. If magical power is cut in half, that existence can no longer sustain itself. In other words, if you're human, you die."

Al was at a loss for words when he said it so bluntly.

"But normally, it's impossible to use all your magic power. A quarter is the limit, to be on the safe side. If you lose nearly half your magic power, it seems you won't even know who you are, and it will take a long time to recover from that state."

"I see. So using magic is a self-destructive act. What determines how much magic power you have?" "Roughly speaking, it's whether you have individuality or not. That's what presence is all about, isn't it? If you compare a tree growing nearby to a giant tree that's 100 years old, anyone can see that the giant tree has more presence. Of course, the giant tree has more magic. So it's the same for humans. Simply dressing in a peculiar way can increase your magic. » Demon king is unbeatable volume 2 MTL
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I somewhat agree Existence Erasure; however, am not familiar with concept manipulation, so I cannot provide an opinion it.
 
While checking some of the volumes for other stuff, I've stumbled upon further evidences regarding the OP:

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I agree with this bein g Existence Erasure and Conceptual Manipulation Type 2. Ultimately, the magical power responsible for defining the existence of objects is itself being influenced by the very things it defines. The fact that breaking down the desk results in the loss of its magical power indicates a lack of conceptual independence.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
I agree with this bein g Existence Erasure and Conceptual Manipulation Type 2. Ultimately, the magical power responsible for defining the existence of objects is itself being influenced by the very things it defines. The fact that breaking down the desk results in the loss of its magical power indicates a lack of conceptual independence.
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Not technically a loss though but rather a division of MP between « piece number 1 » and « piece number 2 » of the original whole desk, and if you break it down into nothing there is still the MP remaining, but in raw form.

Meaning that it is more of less independent ?

But the fact that perception has been shown to heavily influence it, such as just « dressing yourself in particular way » making you gain so of it is a clear demonstration of some sort of dependence.

Prestance influence it.

It work a bit like fundamental metaphysical particles or energy composing everything as the « smallest » substances, while still retaining some sort of Quantity set.

Work a bit likes our real life fundamental particles but on a larger scale, (and is getting affected by more complex/compound things that emerge from it, like perception)
 
So, based on what is said, when you slice someone finger that person cease to exist as a person, right ?
 
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Also, find more proof for EE in Volume 15, though I'm not sure how good the translation is
Oh, there he goes. And... now he’s been erased. Looks like he tried to destroy the entire universe it was in. That would never work. Looks like he didn’t understand after all.
 
sukuna171 said:
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Also, find more proof for EE in Volume 15, though I'm not sure how good the translation is
Oh, there he goes. And... now he’s been erased. Looks like he tried to destroy the entire universe it was in. That would never work. Looks like he didn’t understand after all.
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Yeah, I explained it in the OP.
 
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