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Lifting strength: "Superman and Shazam"

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Hello everyone

Today I'm here to ask for your help and figure out what level this lifting strength feat by Superman and Shazam is on.. I’ll give you all the necessary details

"THE WHOLE OF EXISTENSE IN A SINGLE BOOK"

Case 1:

In this scene, Superman and Shazam are making contact with an immense abstract entity known as the "Monitor." This Monitor is not only described as an infinitely vast being, but explicitly referred to as an “infinite abstract intelligence,” a “conscious, living void,” and “the greatest lifeform ever experienced.” This being contains the entire multiverse within itself.
Case 2:
The Monitor… it’s too immense to imagine! How can something be bigger than universes?"
This highlights the Monitor's scale beyond the multiverse: Superman and Shazam are interacting with something larger than entire universes, not just one universe, but the entirety of multiversal structure
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Case 3:
A conscious, living void! With our entire multiverse growing inside it."
This confirms that the Monitor is a conscious, sentient space, within which the multiverse itself is growing.
Case 4:
They make contact with an “infinite intelligence,” which produces intense feedback, affecting their minds.
This shows that they are physically and conceptually interacting with a being of incredibly high ontological nature, not just mentally or spiritually, but physically withstanding and resisting the effects of such feedback.

"We’re reading some kind of primal origin story of Zillo Valla’s kind, the race of Monitors."
Their interaction extends to the fundamental origin story of the Monitor race itself. This suggests that the level of informational and narrative awareness they gain transcends ordinary storytelling and cosmological perception.

In the final page: Superman and Shazam witness what is explicitly described as the story of life, death, heroes, villains, and lovers.
This means they are not merely interacting with the Monitor, but are exposed to the very essence of narrative and existence itself, all of which resides within this Monitor.
What rank does this Feat take?

I think best rate for these feat can be infinite Lifting and should be added on Superman and Shazam page in Lifting Strength section

Thank you for helping me.


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What rank does this Feat take?

I think best rate for these feat can be infinite Lifting and should be added on Superman and Shazam page in Lifting Strength section

Thank you for helping me.
I agree fully with the premise ngl, it lines up well and makes sense throughout. Everything checks out, and I'm quite on board with the direction it's going.

That being said, I do think there's still space for further upgrades, especially if the context is widened a bit and we get access to more scans. There's potential for Immeasurable lifting strength as well knowing this:
Lifting objects that are wholly superior to 3-dimensional space, and thus exceed basic infinite mass. This might range from characters who can somehow lift entire spacetime continuums, to characters who inhabit qualitatively superior levels of existence and thus surpass all dimensioned objects.
Either way, good job with this. I'll be looking forward
 
Although it was said to be every book in the history of the Multiverse, this feat is similar to the time he held up the Sky. These “supposed infinity” he holds purely were mental games. In a sense, they were “heavy” but it’s highly enhanced by mental pain rather than physical. This is shown by the narration of how “they couldn't imagine such a life form.”

So, while he did “lift it,” It wasn't not at all measurable nor could it count as anything but grasping the nature of infinite pages.
 
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Although it was said to be every book in the history of the Multiverse, this feat is similar to the time he held up the Sky. These “supposed infinity” he holds purely were mental games. In a sense, they were “heavy” but it’s highly enhanced by mental pain rather than physical. This is shown by the narration of how “they couldn't imagine such a life form.”

So, while he did “lift it,” It wasn't not at all measurable nor could it count as anything but grasping the nature of infinite pages.
Yes, I started this thread to make sure what's right and what's wrong.
But I thought lifting that book depended on Superman and Shazam physical strength,
because Superman was under pressure to lift it.
But...
Inside that book, there's a multiverse, right?
 
Yes, I started this thread to make sure what's right and what's wrong.
But I thought lifting that book depended on Superman and Shazam physical strength,
because Superman was under pressure to lift it.
But...
Inside that book, there's a multiverse, right?
There isn’t a Multiverse in the book in the literal sense. It’s the story of the Multiverse before and after its creation. It seemed more like they gained knowledge when started feeling the pressure of it, but that's distinct from lifting entirely.
 
So, while he did “lift it,” It wasn't not at all measurable nor could it count as anything but grasping the nature of infinite pages.
Sorry for the long message 🙏🙏🙏
But...
The claim that Superman and Shazam merely "grasped" the book mentally or that it was a purely symbolic/mental challenge is inaccurate and overlooks the direct narrative, context, and visual representation of the feat.

1. Explicit Physical Interaction:

The scene clearly depicts Superman and Shazam physically lifting the Monitor (the book-shaped entity). The narration explicitly says:

“We’re touching it. Holding it up.” There is no ambiguity, they are not merely perceiving or understanding it; they are physically interacting with and supporting its weight.

2. Scale and Context Matter:

This "book" is no ordinary object, it is described as the Monitor, an infinite intelligence and living void that holds the entire multiverse inside itself:

“A conscious, living void! With our entire multiverse growing inside it.” This establishes the Monitor as a literal infinite structure containing all multiversal timelines and stories, not a metaphor or projection.

3. Narrative Emphasis on Feedback, Not Solely Mental Pain:

While the narration mentions feedback and how it affects their minds, it’s crucial to note that this is in addition to the physical interaction. The idea that the weight was “purely mental” is contradicted by the consistent emphasis on strain, effort, and the overwhelming scope of what they’re physically holding.

4. Comparison with the “Holding the Sky” Feat Is Misleading:

The feat with the Sky was part of a mythological arc and was semi-symbolic. In contrast, the Monitor scene occurs in a multiversal narrative context grounded in literal cosmology, where entities like the Overmonitor, World Forge, and the Monitors are established as actual cosmic constructs.

Literal Narrative Stakes:

This wasn't a hallucination or dream, Superman and Shazam were interacting with the Monitor's substance to save the multiverse. The threat and action were both real and physical. They were literally holding up a structure of infinite scale and intelligence.

Visual Symbolism Supports, Not Undermines, the Feat:

Yes, there’s symbolism, as is always present in comics, but that symbolism adds thematic depth and does not negate the literal weightlifting of an infinite construct. The story is not suggesting it’s only symbolic; it's showing a literal action with symbolic consequences.
 
Well, I personally think that Goofy seems to make sense here. 🙏
 
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