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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
Okay tbf, Jackpot Hakari and Kashimo were relative to each other, jackpot hakari >= yuta according to yuta and promotional material for hakari.

What Sukuna viewed as a threat was likely MBA, which kenny likely told sukuna about

Kashimo decided to try and fight sukuna on a 1v1 and lost as a result, had yuta done the same thing he too would have likely lost as well at that point in time.

Him being excited to fight yuta doesn't mean much because a, yuta was likely the strongest sorcerer around at that time with the most interesting technique being rika and copy, he was more excited for maki out of everyone else as well. Sukuna being excited does not mean we should scale characters like that
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The outside sources for Hakari are prehistoric. We’re talking about an incredibly inexperienced version of Yuta in combat—someone who might’ve lost solely because he ran out of cursed energy. This is the same Yuta who hadn’t even trained with Miguel yet.

CGs Yuta is at a completely different level.

Yuta also fought Sukuna one-on-one, and although it lasted for a shorter period of time, the version of Sukuna he faced was notably stronger in terms of output than the one who had previously fought Kashimo. Sukuna's demeanor was notably different when it came to fighting him as well.
 
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BahamutQ0 said:
The outside sources for Hakari are prehistoric. We’re talking about an incredibly inexperienced version of Yuta in combat—someone who might’ve lost solely because he ran out of cursed energy. This is the same Yuta who hadn’t even trained with Miguel yet.

CGs Yuta is at a completely different level.
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BahamutQ0 said:
The outside sources for Hakari are prehistoric. We’re talking about an incredibly inexperienced version of Yuta in combat—someone who might’ve lost solely because he ran out of cursed energy. This is the same Yuta who hadn’t even trained with Miguel yet.

CGs Yuta is at a completely different level.

Yuta also fought Sukuna one-on-one, and although it lasted for a shorter period of time, the version of Sukuna he faced was notably stronger in terms of output than the one who had previously fought Kashimo. Sukuna's demeanor was notably different when it came to fighting him as well.
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Yuta after going through his training is the one who made that statement
 
BahamutQ0 said:
Which is based on his past experiences.
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Yuta is also aware of his own current experience. Unless your argument is that Hakari got weaker for some reason. Especially as what should be remembered is that Yuta did get weaker then reearned his Special Grade status between 0 and his reintroduction into the series
 
Duedate8898 said:
Yuta is also aware of his own current experience. Unless your argument is that Hakari got weaker for some reason. Especially as what should be remembered is that Yuta did get weaker then reearned his Special Grade status between 0 and his reintroduction into the series
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His statement contradicts what Maki, Kenjaku, and the narrator said. I don’t see how the argument implies that Hakari got weaker, rather than simply purposing that Yuta got stronger. It would make more sense to say that JP-Hakari is either relative to or weaker than base Yuta, physically wise of course.
 
Sakamaki_Fuji said:
It doesn't really mean anything since Sukuna didn't know about Yuta's copied
techniques, or Yuji's soul punches. Pretty sure he didn't know about SSK.
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1. Didn’t Yuji get soul punches thanks to the Mahito fight? Sukuna should know about that, Yuji awakes during the fight, that wasn’t something Sukuna was likely accounting for

2. Kenjaku should know a lot of Yuta’s techniques, or at least a vast majority of them. And him and sukuna were speaking to each other

3. It’s stated in the manga that had Sukuna not been caught off guard maki wouldn’t have stabbed him.
 
BahamutQ0 said:
His statement contradicts what Maki, Kenjaku, and the narrator said. I don’t see how the argument implies that Hakari got weaker, rather than simply acknowledging that Yuta got stronger. It would make more sense to say that JP-Hakari is either relative to or weaker than base Yuta, physically wise of course.
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Kenjaku never said hakari was weaker than Yuta. He said that Yuta would lead.

Narrator doesn’t say Yuta is the 2nd strongest, that’s a mistranslation

Maki is less reliable that yuta

Gojo says offscreen pre sukuna fight that they should only step in if he were to get weaker than hakari or yuta. Meaning relativity.
 
He leads the heavy hitters. The cast, including those same heavy hitters relied on Yuta and actually multiple times implied he's superior to them on many occasions.

Lightning thinks it refers to strength.

I didn't mention only Maki. It's the others who give Maki more credibility than what she otherwise would've had.

Gojo's statement can also just mean Hakari acts as a substitute to Yuta or that they're relative, really.
 
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BahamutQ0 said:
Lead who? The heavy hitters? What is their purpose and what does the name implies?
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Leading the heavy hitters doesn’t mean he’s above them. You can lead via intellect, considering Yuta was making up backup plans for the team that’s probably why he leads
BahamutQ0 said:
Lightning, thinks it refers to strength.
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Lightning’s says that the clause is connected and that it translates to “in usual abilities” they were giving an interpretation of it
BahamutQ0 said:
I didn't mention only Maki.
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Ik hence why I’m debunking it
BahamutQ0 said:
Gojo's statement can also just mean Hakari acts as a substitute to Yuta, really.
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The word “or” means relativity between the 2, Yuta isn’t massively above or below hakari.

We also have to factor in that Kashimo’s lightning was severely affecting JP hakari, had hakari not had such a strong RCT he would have died.
 
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
Leading the heavy hitters doesn’t mean he’s above them. You can lead via intellect, considering Yuta was making up backup plans for the team that’s probably why he leads
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The heavy hitters’ role is to be the main force in the battle, and with them scattered, you can’t really say, ‘Oh, well, Kenjaku was just referring to Yuta leading them,’ when he mostly operated alone and was the only one who could shift the course of the battle after five individuals nearly threw the fight. Kusakabe was actually the main strategist, and Yuta didn’t come up with his plans entirely on his own—he received advice from characters like Angel.
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
Lightning’s says that the clause is connected and that it translates to “in usual abilities” they were giving an interpretation of it
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He's consistently refers to Yuta as the 2nd strongest.
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
The word “or” means relativity between the 2, Yuta isn’t massively above or below hakari.

We also have to factor in that Kashimo’s lightning was severely affecting JP hakari, had hakari not had such a strong RCT he would have died.
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Which proves my point.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Here Sukuna was not thinking straight. Even upto last moment he was coping hard that Yuji was beating his ass. So I think it's fair that the idea didn't cross his mind.
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BRK, SUKUNA WAS JUST ABOUT TO KILL YUJI BUT THEN, NOBARA CAME IN AND SAVED THE WORLD, EVEN AFTER EVERYTHING, SUKUNA WOULD HAVE WON AND HE THOUGHT HE WOULD AS HE DIDNT KNEW ABOUT NOBARA, AND PLUS, WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS VERY TRUE++ I APPROVE IT.
 
BahamutQ0 said:
The heavy hitters’ role is to be the main force in the battle, and with them scattered, you can’t really say, ‘Oh, well, Kenjaku was just referring to Yuta leading them,’ when he mostly operated alone and was the only one who could shift the course of the battle after five individuals nearly threw the fight. Kusakabe was actually the main strategist, and Yuta didn’t come up with his plans entirely on his own—he received advice from characters like Angel.
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He still came up with plans, and is shown to be the smartest of the three
BahamutQ0 said:
He's consistently refers to Yuta as the 2nd strongest.
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Your appealing to a translator hyping him up lmao, lightning said that it had different interpretations when he was going through the TL, just that it didn't say he was the second strongest outright, this is like saying gojo beats sukuna because mya said so via interpreting gege's statement
BahamutQ0 said:
Which proves my point.
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And Kashimo would have beaten Jackpot hakari had he not been in water....... I feel people forget that kashimo was placed in a terf disadvantage with Hakari still having to give up his arm in a BV to survive the explosion
 
At the very least, I think Gege's statement could suggest MBA Kashimo>CG Heavy Hitters, since it'd be logical for Kenjaku to inform him about them, and Sukuna fought Maki (albeit only in H2H).
 
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
He still came up with plans, and is shown to be the smartest of the three
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They came up with the plans.* He's literally seen constructing the plans with the others.
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
Your appealing to a translator hyping him up lmao, lightning said that it had different interpretations when he was going through the TL, just that it didn't say he was the second strongest outright, this is like saying gojo beats sukuna because mya said so via interpreting gege's statement
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Then this and this should be more befitting of your criteria, as unfortunately, the other example was too direct and didn’t suit your preferences.
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
And Kashimo would have beaten Jackpot hakari had he not been in water....... I feel people forget that kashimo was placed in a terf disadvantage with Hakari still having to give up his arm in a BV to survive the explosion
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Arguable.
 
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MinatoSparkle said:
At the very least, I think Gege's statement could suggest MBA Kashimo>CG Heavy Hitters, since it'd be logical for Kenjaku to inform him about them, and Sukuna fought Maki (albeit only in H2H).
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Probably. Although, I'd exclude Yuta due to different narrative standpoints regarding him.
Puppet43 said:
Gege on his way to say Yuta could oneshot Prime prep time Kenjaku (with knowledge of Rika and Yuta CT)
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They can feel that a storm is approaching, otherwise they wouldn't forge fake raws from the current Q&A.
 
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Puppet43 said:
Top 4 at best, Kenjaku is still a character, but he is on Sukuna side, so he doesnt count and Gege is talking about Sukuna litterally after Gojo's fight (No Sukuna Heian form, tired, weaken)
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Kenjaku IS GETTING BLITZED AND VAPORIZED
 
All of the statements just help one another
Second to Gojo in "unusual abilities", Main Course, Leading the Heavy Hitters
It sets a pretty clear narrative and the only refutes are comparisons from people who know less than the narrator who claims no one in the modern era other than Gojo is above him
 
BahamutQ0 said:
Statements that place him above the other heavy hitters and special grade sorcerers (Yuki and Geto)—such as those made by Kenjaku and the narrator.

Generally, however, I also think Gege’s statement solely refers to 1 HP Meguna.
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None of those would apply to MBA Kashimo tho since he's above all those people too
 
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