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Ishura Discussion Thread

Gigi_4_life said:
And I’m also pretty sure that when she was fighting Psianop and Aureatia, there was a point where she swung her claws towards some of them and the debris or shockwave from the attack killed them despite them being very far away.
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Yeh I remember this too, ill re-read the fight and find that passage.
 
Okay found two examples of vibration manipulation

It was impossibly precise. Unimaginably powerful. A hopeless amount of material. A cracking, crumbling sound—a thunderous roar, as if airspace itself was being condensed and groaning—followed. “……!” Even in midair, without anywhere to escape, Psianop still managed to fend offthe nightmarishly powerful turbulence just from the motion of his rotation andtransformation, fully coping with the attack. It used the utmost limits of his concentration. As he repeatedly turned over with dizzying speed, he could see far off into the sky at his back. High up above Psianop, Sindikar’s machine turned into particles in the sky and scattered.

However, what made Lucnoca even more worried was that the shockwaveoccupying her wing parry would accidentally shoot down the unknown thingflying far up in the sky.
 
<I known now that even without using her breath, Lucnoca's area of attack has extremely wide range. That secondary command post isn't safe either. Even at my distance I'm in danger. Your decision to make.>
Kuuro is in danger, despite the fact that he's extremely far away from everyone
It was conceivable to have a spotter sitting farther away than the sniper.
This spotter was far away from both the battlefield and the main operational headquarters, deployed almost as far away as the line of the horizon.

Lucnoca turned around in the direction of the Word Arts Team.
Her stance...
Her center of gravity's dropped!
Tuturi screamed into the radio.
"Word Arts Team, retreat! An attack's coming your way!"
<We can see! But at this distance-->
Lucnoca the Winter swiped the earth, as she flopped down.
The explosion echoed all the way to where Tuturi was.
A torrent of earth and rock, enough to transform the terrain, crushed the entire Word Arts Team.
"...Hah, hah-hah."
She had known. It wasn't a problem of whether she used her breath or not.
Even Sindikar, far above up in the sky, had been shot down in the collateral damage of her fight.
The avalanche of stone and dirt hadn't been an intentional attack, but simply a reaction to a stimulus.
She had taken in enough poison to ruin an entire nation, had been hit with a lethal attack that destroyed her brain stem, and had still managed to do this.
There was no safety zone.
 
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Yes, she does this very consistently and without much effort, but… I don’t think this would be accepted as I don’t think it’s been confirmed that this lightning is as fast as natural lightning.

Heck, we even got Shalk being verbatim stated to be faster than Alus’ lightning bullets, but I don’t think we can scale it like that since these lightning attacks aren’t confirmed to be like natural lightning, but idk maybe we can ask an admin or someone else if it counts, because I would personally it should count, but I’ve seen people say it wouldn’t.
 
Gigi_4_life said:
Yes, she does this very consistently and without much effort, but… I don’t think this would be accepted as I don’t think it’s been confirmed that this lightning is as fast as natural lightning.

Heck, we even got Shalk being verbatim stated to be faster than Alus’ lightning bullets, but I don’t think we can scale it like that since these lightning attacks aren’t confirmed to be like natural lightning, but idk maybe we can ask an admin or someone else if it counts, because I would personally it should count, but I’ve seen people say it wouldn’t.
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Blackcurrant91 said:
Idk if this is a valid speed feat but Lucnoa basically dodges lightning without moving from her spot at the last possible moment. Reacting to it specifically AFTER it fires so she doesn't seem to be aim dodging it.
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It should be actual lightning with it being directly compared and stated to even surpass actual lightning at times with the lightning bullet and given that it meets the criteria for lightning through the statements of it's properties lightning bullets are as fast as lightning itself.

I just haven't added it to the scale rn as I want to establish a character list from the beginning of the series to the beginning of the tournament. Since this affect a fair few characters which aren't made yet or have rudimentary pages
 
PowerToScale said:
It should be actual lightning with it being directly compared and stated to even surpass actual lightning at times with the lightning bullet and given that it meets the criteria for lightning through the statements of it's properties lightning bullets are as fast as lightning itself.

I just haven't added it to the scale rn as I want to establish a character list from the beginning of the series to the beginning of the tournament. Since this affect a fair few characters which aren't made yet or have rudimentary pages
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No rush, just seeing if it contributes at all cause I haven't kept up with the verse progression. Appreciate you letting me know.
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
No rush, just seeing if it contributes at all cause I haven't kept up with the verse progression. Appreciate you letting me know.
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yeah, I've just been doing calcs mainly and adding them to the verse page I have a general idea of character tiers

with low end superhumans like Dakai being roughly small building to building level
 
PowerToScale said:
It should be actual lightning with it being directly compared and stated to even surpass actual lightning at times with the lightning bullet and given that it meets the criteria for lightning through the statements of it's properties lightning bullets are as fast as lightning itself.

I just haven't added it to the scale rn as I want to establish a character list from the beginning of the series to the beginning of the tournament. Since this affect a fair few characters which aren't made yet or have rudimentary pages
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Oh nice, I’ll let you cook
 
I discovered today that the author did a Q&A session on Twitter for the second season and there were a lot and I mean a lot of questions and answers (I scrolled for 2 hours straight and still didn't get to all of it) and there was some really nice info revealed concerning things like powerscaling or the like

Movement speed ranking of the 16 shura, characters that go head-to-head with Shalk's speed, if Mele can harm Lucnoca, etc...

I'll drop the links to those types of questions here tonight, some really nice stuff, my eyes hurt rn lol

Also wtf Uhak is confirmed faster than the likes of Soujirou and Toroa, like damn... I thought he was just a normal ogre who's ability is his only noteworthy thing, but my apologies Uhak, I was not familiar with your game.
 
Gigi_4_life said:
Also wtf Uhak is confirmed faster than the likes of Soujirou and Toroa, like damn... I thought he was just a normal ogre who's ability is his only noteworthy thing, but my apologies Uhak, I was not familiar with your game.
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I could be super wrong about this but I interpreted this as somewhat as an affect of his ability dispelling the 'mysteries of life' and them essentially becoming 'mindless beasts' before him because they can't think/communicate, that is a wild statement though considering we have only seen him fight Zigita and a bunch of 10-B villagers lol
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
It's genuinely wild to me that someone as powerful as Lucnoa instantly dies to Kuze and Uhak and Bloodlusted Kia.
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I’d say that Lucnoca is the “strongest” in the traditional sense of the word, as in she has the highest stats, but yeah she loses to the hax merchants
 
Gigi_4_life said:
I’d say that Lucnoca is the “strongest” in the traditional sense of the word, as in she has the highest stats, but yeah she loses to the hax merchants
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Exactly. Not that she's lacking in the hax department either.

Is the general consensus that shes slightly above or below Mele physically? cause her Shockwave attacks traveling Killometres to take out the Flying machine is kinda crazy.
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
Exactly. Not that she's lacking in the hax department either.

Is the general consensus that shes slightly above or below Mele physically? cause her Shockwave attacks traveling Killometres to take out the Flying machine is kinda crazy.
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She’s easily above him physically imo, this is reinforced by a Q&A I saw today, I’ll send them when I get home in a few hours.
 
Lucnao is a dragon which IIRC are called the strongest creatures in the world and above the Wurm's which are a different evolutionary path of the dragons. Physically I would put dragons above wurms and the giant golem from the beginning. With Lucnao being above them as the strongest, and maybe higher if we take into account the handle own word art's statement.
 
Some interesting Q&A info I saw today on Twitter:

Tu might be affected by something that can erase a target from the world that ignores physical durability, though Kia and Uhak would banish such a power

The Nagant golem from episode 1 would lose by a small margin to a full power Vikeon

Uhak can erase the physical phenomena accompanying supernatural powers, so Mele throwing arrows from far away wouldn't work on him

No disease or poison that has appeared in the world so far can overcome Lucnoca's vitality

Dakai's eyesight is 8.0

Yugo from the First Party (ninja looking guy) is strong enough to beat the average Dragon, which certainly puts him above the likes of Dakai and Higuare

The only characters capable of directly handling Shalk's speed and can attack him are Soujirou, Psianop, Lucnoca and a character that appears in volume 10 by the name of
Roto

If Kuuro were to try to perceive Shiki, the ability would pretend to not be working (just like in volume 2) for his own benefit, or he would go crazy

If Kazuki and Dakai were to have a head-on fight, Kazuki would win. Shalk's strength can't grow but Psianop's can. Psianop in his current form would also still have a hard time fighting Neft

Kuuro>>Morio (with his army)>Kazuki>=Dakai>Romzo>Morio (on his own)

Tu, Mestelexil, Shalk and Toroa have infinite stamina

To fight Shalk, Toroa would avoid getting close and would likely use the aftereffects of his fire and wind magic swords to create a wall that Shalk would have a hard time breaking through, at mid range, Toroa has a big advantage with his Divine Sword and Evil Sword

Toroa would not have fallen for the enchanted sword tricks in volumes 1 (Dakai thinking Soujirou's sword was enchanted) and 8 (Soujirou not noticing his sword would explode)

Before Toroa obtained his magic swords, he was still on a level where he had the specs to do the same things as Uhak

A common weakness for both Kuuro and Rosclay is fighting giant enemies. Kuuro might have a slight chance of winning against Vikeon, but would likely lose to the Nagant golem and Atrazek. Rosclay would probably lose to Vikeon too

In a fight between Regnejee and Krafnir, Regnejee is far more likely to win, but he wouldn't be able to find the location of Krafnir's real body

Atrazek can defeat Kuuro, Rosclay, Linaris and Hiroto

Someone asked in response that Soujirou, Psianop and Shalk seem to have no way to beat Atrazek, author responds by saying he doesn't think those 3 can think of no way to beat him

Out of the First Party members, Izick and Lumelly are Shura class and the rest are semi-Shura class

Outside of the characters competing in the tournament, the characters taking the power, speed and defense categories would respectively be Sindikar for power, a volume 10 character
(Roto)
for speed and Nihilo for defense

Tu vs Lucnoca would end in a stalemate, Tu would escape from any half-hearted burial and restraints

Someone says that it seems that Kia can essentially stop time by stopping the movement of all matter and asks if she can move in that stopped time, the author says that she can move and even condition the stop

Someone asked if Soujirou would be able to beat Kuze the same way he beat Ozonezma, the author says that it's not impossible, but Kuze isn't the type to get close enough for an accidental death and if you target Kuze who doesn't move from his spot, it will be seen as an intentional attack

If Kuuro were to attempt to look at Uhak (with his ability active) from a distance, his powers would temporarily be erased

Mele has a move that shoots earth arrows and then disperses them to cause massive AOE destruction, but doing so in Aureatia would be catastrophic, so there wouldn't be an opportunity to use it in the main story

Rosclay would lose to Dakai (who hasn't obtained a Magic Sword yet)

Ranking of the First Party: Psianop>Izick>Lumelly>Yugo>Neft>Romzo>Alena>Fralik>>Psianop (before his training)

Movement speed ranking:
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Don't mind the horrible translation, it's Google translate
 
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Oh yeah I forgot some other ones:

If Kia understands Nastique's existence, her power would see Nastique

Shalk vs Nihilo is a stalemate, as Shalk can't penetrate Nihilo's armor, but Nihilo has no way to hit Shalk

For specifics regarding Kuze's ability to make Nastique kill an enemy by simply seeing them: Kuze can do it if he can clearly recognize the individual, even if he only sees a part of them or their back

If Soujirou were to battle Atrazek, he'd take advantage of the terrain and situation and slash when Atrazek can't activate his Dust Storm

Even with his archery, Mele wouldn't be able to break through Lucnoca's scales in one hit, but if he were to land direct hits in succession, there is a good chance it would work



It's getting pretty late and I'm tired, so I'll try putting the links to the above tomorrow
 
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Gigi_4_life said:
What if she made her "stop anything from harming me" be passive...
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Yeh like cant she just say 'stop anything from harming me for the entire duration of my life'

I guess because she can't understand the mechanics of her entire life in one go she can't idk.
 
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One of you asked for a Lucnoca statement and I think I accidentally found it while rereading the volume 8 fight

Volume 8 chapter 11

I also remember Keiso mentioned in one of the Q&As that Aureatia is probably bigger than Tokyo, I'll have to find it again some other time
 
Gigi_4_life said:
One of you asked for a Lucnoca statement and I think I accidentally found it while rereading the volume 8 fight

Volume 8 chapter 11

I also remember Keiso mentioned in one of the Q&As that Aureatia is probably bigger than Tokyo, I'll have to find it again some other time
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If you are able to find the Q&A statement it I could probably calc it
 
Gigi_4_life said:
Found it

Author thinks Aureatia is probably bigger than Tokyo when someone asked how they compared in size

Also...

Soujirou has a 10% chance (if he gets lucky) of beating Lucnoca???

That honestly shocked me yet again, but I guess he has better compatibility with fighting her, since Lucnoca relies a lot on her stats and Soujirou can pretty much cut through anything, either way it's clear he's far below her (but this Q&A would indicate he would scale to her!)
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Honestly I can see that. If he can cut through Nihilo's armour he might be able to cut her scales with enough effort.
 
If you think about it, the explosion is portrayed as more stereotypically destructive then it's breath thats described as having no 'physical force'. Her Absolute Zero silent world is described as going for KM. This isn't really enough range to envelop a nation anyway so it kind of have to be the giga explosion after?
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
If you think about it, the explosion is portrayed as more stereotypically destructive then it's breath thats described as having no 'physical force'. Her Absolute Zero silent world is described as going for KM. This isn't really enough range to envelop a nation anyway so it kind of have to be the giga explosion after?
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I’d assume so yeah
 
Gigi_4_life said:
Found it

Author thinks Aureatia is probably bigger than Tokyo when someone asked how they compared in size

Also...

Soujirou has a 10% chance (if he gets lucky) of beating Lucnoca???

That honestly shocked me yet again, but I guess he has better compatibility with fighting her, since Lucnoca relies a lot on her stats and Soujirou can pretty much cut through anything, either way it's clear he's far below her (but this Q&A would indicate he would scale to her!)
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outside of Kia, Lucnoca is a god tier of the verse. Also we should probably screenshot and record all of the Q&A as it might get deleted if the twitter account goes away
 
PowerToScale said:
it doesn't seem like a traditional explosion to me tbh, as its used to describe the vacuum of air being filled up again by tremendous amounts of air pouring back in, especially as explosion is only used once and other times it direct talks about the strong air coming back
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Yeh I mean extremely quick changes in air pressure cause explosions IRL, it's still an explosion technically.
 
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