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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Guys do you all think that a 15/16 Fingers Sukuna is relative to Gojo?

I'm not asking if they are equal, just if they are relative, and which proves do you have of that.
 
DarkRuler234 said:
Sukuna only uses once the chants and hand signs once, after that he proceeded to fold Kashimo with no difficulty at all, and there's no indication that he was fighting him seriously since both the Narrator and Uraume indicate that since Gojo's death he wasn’t really trying at all, and Kashimo is even called an appetizer for Sukuna.

He only dodged because Sukuna told him to, and even them he still got hit by it.

Yes, Maki did get blitzed by Sukuna, but that's because Sukuna actually started to try against her because he wanted to prove that Sorcery was superior to Heavenly Restriction.

Like I said there's nothing to prove that Sukuna took Kashimo seriously when everything indicates the opposite.
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Bro.... What are you even talking about...
How was sukuna folding kashimo with no diff if he couldnt kill kashimo withouth using his strongest technique?.....

And sukuna saying that it didnt matter at all,.... he said "avoid that" while saying the chants, if sukuna said "avoid that" AFTER saying the chants and handsigns then you could say that kashimo only dodged because he was warned, and kashimo didnt even knew that those chants and handsigns were a WCS, as it was sukunas first time using it......
 
DarkRuler234 said:
Guys do you all think that a 15/16 Fingers Sukuna is relative to Gojo?

I'm not asking if they are equal, just if they are relative, and which proves do you have of that.
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Obviously..... Sukuna wouldnt try to fight gojo if he knew he was getting no diffed or low diffed by him......... He also was fast enough to clash with gojo and stopping him from killing kenjaku......
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Where's Kenjaku in the speed scaling again
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He ends up relative to most of the other high tiers and heavy hitters thanks to Awakened Choso, but otherwise we end up with him for sure getting Gojo and Sukuna boosted if not already and gives further justification to the other heavy hitters being relative to Maki in speed
 
LIGHTYW said:
Bro.... What are you even talking about...
How was sukuna folding kashimo with no diff if he couldnt kill kashimo withouth using his strongest technique?.....

And sukuna saying that it didnt matter at all,.... he said "avoid that" while saying the chants, if sukuna said "avoid that" AFTER saying the chants and handsigns then you could say that kashimo only dodged because he was warned, and kashimo didnt even knew that those chants and handsigns were a WCS, as it was sukunas first time using it......
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We don't even know if those were WCS since when he transforms Kashimo into the waffled one, we don't see him doing chants or hand signs, so unless Gege says that those were WCS than they weren’t.

And Sukuna was yes folding Kashimo even without using his technique, if anything he just did that to flex on him because nothing implies Sukuna was having any difficulty dealing with Kashimo the moment he transformed into his True Body.

It doesn’t change the fact that Sukuna warned him to dodge and that the attack still got him.

I'm not going to reply to you anymore because this is a waste of my time, and well you're the only person who thinks that bum is top 3 in the verse even though he had one of the most underwhelming performances against Sukuna.
 
Duedate8898 said:
He ends up relative to most of the other high tiers and heavy hitters thanks to Awakened Choso, but otherwise we end up with him for sure getting Gojo and Sukuna boosted if not already and gives further justification to the other heavy hitters being relative to Maki in speed
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Doesn't Gojo and Sukuna already have a calc that would put them into Hypersonic+ speeds do to a weakened Sukuna being able to blitz Choso's piercing blood?
 
can anyone explain to me why speed verse is at the level it is? i mean electromagnetic waves for example, because there are too many pages, it is not convenient for me to review them, and my English is not good.
 
GodEarh206 said:
can anyone explain to me why speed verse is at the level it is? i mean electromagnetic waves for example, because there are too many pages, it is not convenient for me to review them, and my English is not good.
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So currently, the verse essentially sits around Subsonic to Supersonic in terms of speed. This comes in large part from the likes of Naoya capping much of the verse with this Mach 3 statement and disputes and rejections of feats which typically gets speeds higher.

That said, Kashimo (I think is the only character with this stuff might be misremembering) due to the nature of his abilities ends up with the highest attack speed of the verse but no one is really allowed to scale to it so currently he is our fastest character. The reason why he is MHS is because his techinque appears to follow all the standards required to meet lightning speed and his Speed of Light comes from EM waves being a form of light
 
Duedate8898 said:
So currently, the verse essentially sits around Subsonic to Supersonic in terms of speed. This comes in large part from the likes of Naoya capping much of the verse with this Mach 3 statement and disputes and rejections of feats which typically gets speeds higher.

That said, Kashimo (I think is the only character with this stuff might be misremembering) due to the nature of his abilities ends up with the highest attack speed of the verse but no one is really allowed to scale to it so currently he is our fastest character. The reason why he is MHS is because his techinque appears to follow all the standards required to meet lightning speed and his Speed of Light comes from EM waves being a form of light
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Yuta's attack speed is also speed of light
 
I completely forgot about that one, was I one of the ones that approved that?
 
Duedate8898 said:
I completely forgot about that one, was I one of the ones that approved that?
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[Jujutsu Kaisen] Lightspeed Scaling, but it's not the feat you're thinking of

I have doubts that this CRT will be accepted or applied, but I figured I might aswell give it a shot now that the series is over. No I am not arguing for Kashimo lol For those who don't know, there is an ability/cursed technique that Angel, her vessel Hana, and Yuta uses that's called Jacob's...
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Duedate8898 said:
I completely forgot about that one, was I one of the ones that approved that?
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vsbattles.com

[Jujutsu Kaisen] Lightspeed Scaling, but it's not the feat you're thinking of

I have doubts that this CRT will be accepted or applied, but I figured I might aswell give it a shot now that the series is over. No I am not arguing for Kashimo lol For those who don't know, there is an ability/cursed technique that Angel, her vessel Hana, and Yuta uses that's called Jacob's...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com

Funnily enough, no you were not; you didn't even comment on it.

I also completely forgot that I was in that thread.
 
So I was just re-reading the jjk manga and I'm at Shinjuku showdown and I just noticed, despite what most people on this wiki have said I cant find anything that indicates that true form Sukuna is weaker than 19 finger Meguna, the only thing that says he's lower (to my knowledge) is lack of 10 shadows technique.

In fact kashimo vs sukuna makes it seem like true form sukuna is FAR stronger than meguna.

I'm really only asking cause I cant find the CRT for like a downgrade, if there was one.
 
Duedate8898 said:
So currently, the verse essentially sits around Subsonic to Supersonic in terms of speed. This comes in large part from the likes of Naoya capping much of the verse with this Mach 3 statement and disputes and rejections of feats which typically gets speeds higher.

That said, Kashimo (I think is the only character with this stuff might be misremembering) due to the nature of his abilities ends up with the highest attack speed of the verse but no one is really allowed to scale to it so currently he is our fastest character. The reason why he is MHS is because his techinque appears to follow all the standards required to meet lightning speed and his Speed of Light comes from EM waves being a form of light
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The whole Naoya cap is pretty dumb as it's not meant to be a cap for everyone, especially after post time skip training for the final fight.

Also not allowing to scale to kashimo is dumb as its essentially just saying we don't want despite what the story is showing us and how characters of the higher tiers are and can dodge and react to the lightning and EM waves
 
PowerToScale said:
The whole Naoya cap is pretty dumb as it's not meant to be a cap for everyone, especially after post time skip training for the final fight.

Also not allowing to scale to kashimo is dumb as its essentially just saying we don't want despite what the story is showing us and how characters of the higher tiers are and can dodge and react to the lightning and EM waves
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Yeah I think gege said he regretted making the mach 3 cap and he would have changed it if he could
 
Rogue_Forge said:
So I was just re-reading the jjk manga and I'm at Shinjuku showdown and I just noticed, despite what most people on this wiki have said I cant find anything that indicates that true form Sukuna is weaker than 19 finger Meguna, the only thing that says he's lower (to my knowledge) is lack of 10 shadows technique.

In fact kashimo vs sukuna makes it seem like true form sukuna is FAR stronger than meguna.

I'm really only asking cause I cant find the CRT for like a downgrade, if there was one.
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There was never any downgrade thread for it. The big issue between scaling True Form Sukuna at the moment is that he has to be weak enough to justify the still relatively weak characters of the rest of the cast to be a threat. Currently he's in some weird spot where he's essentially unscaleable as we have no idea how much the fight with Gojo weakened him just that it did. So even if he's only at like 1%, which would put the cast in like Small Town Level+ to Town Level, the ambiguity really hurts any conversation in terms of tiering. It's one of the reasons why I really push for just scaling them above 10% 16F Sukuna, but the issue there is how his power is fractioned out between fingers.

Our lack of hard numbers in general in where Sukuna is at the end of the story means scaling is a headache for all but him and Gojo.
 
PowerToScale said:
I think we gotta stop calling it a cap when it isn't one, unless your below curse naoya, which the top tiers aren't
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But as you said, only the top tiers scale over it, Its directly stated that during Shibuya incident the only sorcerer on earth who was faster than naobito (who is far slower than cursed womb naoya) is gojo which already caps every non-special grade character at like subsonic+ (until Shinjuku showdown when pretty much every still living character is throwing hands with Sukuna somehow)
 
Duedate8898 said:
There was never any downgrade thread for it. The big issue between scaling True Form Sukuna at the moment is that he has to be weak enough to justify the still relatively weak characters of the rest of the cast to be a threat. Currently he's in some weird spot where he's essentially unscaleable as we have no idea how much the fight with Gojo weakened him just that it did. So even if he's only at like 1%, which would put the cast in like Small Town Level+ to Town Level, the ambiguity really hurts any conversation in terms of tiering. It's one of the reasons why I really push for just scaling them above 10% 16F Sukuna, but the issue there is how his power is fractioned out between fingers.

Our lack of hard numbers in general in where Sukuna is at the end of the story means scaling is a headache for all but him and Gojo.
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I don't think there's a issue at all, a 16F Sukuna should still be relative to Gojo, especially since he was able to stop an attack with killing intent from him, and most of his fights he was either handicapped (he was at 10% against Yuji and Maki, and was limiting himself only to the TS against Yoruzo) or he absolutely stomped (One-shotting Ryu with Cleave).

I don't see why a 16F Sukuna shouldn't scale to Gojo's casual earthquake feat, especially considering that it can be argued that a 15F Sukuna could survive being hit by Jogo's meteor.
 
Rogue_Forge said:
But as you said, only the top tiers scale over it, Its directly stated that during Shibuya incident the only sorcerer on earth who was faster than naobito (who is far slower than cursed womb naoya) is gojo which already caps every non-special grade character at like subsonic+ (until Shinjuku showdown when pretty much every still living character is throwing hands with Sukuna somehow)
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Only KNOWN Sorcerer*
 
Rogue_Forge said:
But as you said, only the top tiers scale over it, Its directly stated that during Shibuya incident the only sorcerer on earth who was faster than naobito (who is far slower than cursed womb naoya) is gojo which already caps every non-special grade character at like subsonic+ (until Shinjuku showdown when pretty much every still living character is throwing hands with Sukuna somehow)
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Naobito is above cursed womb Naoya
 
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