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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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Anybody else actually write a whole paragraph, then lose interest and never even post it? Like yeah, there are matchups where I think Bleach should win, but I just don’t care enough to argue.
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That's me half the time.
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Quick Sternritter Y Revision (Bleach TYBW)
This is something I just thought about in regards to the Yourself twins. On Loyd's profile, we have him as "Varies, up to at least High 6-A". On the other hand, Royd just has a solid 4-A rating. This is because at the time, we didn't know Royd also copied power, so we just assumed that him...
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Damn it really happen
Gerard Valkyrie vs Saitama (6-8-0)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Gerard_Valkyrie https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Saitama Both at their multi solar system key (Saitama being parallel) Speed equalized Fight takes place in Z City Gerard: @Adam1396, @Johner2133451, @Apollonir.Scale, @Spectral69420, @Raito_Utopia...
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I thought kenpachi without his new eye patch amps his stats by 10 times compared to his previous one? I believe this was stated by mayuri in safwy III. Shouldn't this be included in his profiles?
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I just want an interesting Ichigo match dawg. The last one he had was against a tier 1 smurf.
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Would Aurelion Sol vs Ichigo be a good match?
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Ichigo vs an immortality type 9 and an abstract concept doesn't seem fair
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I forgot he had immortality. My fault.
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soul crush induce fear hax so I dont think so
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This is with the new eyepatch he scales beyond 10x higher without it on profile so kinda pointless. It was used for a time tho
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But shouldn't he be given atleast 10× tho? I understand your point might be his old eye patch is unquantifiable so 10× that amount could still be unquantifiable. But couldn't this be said about bankai amps from shikai? Because shikai gives an unquantifiable amp from base and bankai gives a 5 to 10 amp from shikai. I am not trying to argue or anything but I am just a bit curious to here the argument against this because I think it's a valid one.
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What? He’s above 10x…
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So we know he is atleast 10× stronger without the eye patch just how we know characters are atleast 5 times stronger from base with bankai but my point is both shikai amps and his old eye patch removal amps are unquantifiable so they are kind of similar in that aspect. I feel like I am not explaining myself properly so let me use this analogy.
Zaraki's shikai provides an unquantifiable boost from his base form but bankai provides a 5× boost from his shikai but his shikai amp is still unquantifiable.
Zaraki's old eye patch removal provides an unquantifiable boost from his base form but his new eye patch provides a 10× boost in comparison to his old eye patch removal. Can't the arguments for shikai and bankai be utilised here as well? I don't know if this sounds dumb, I am not an expert in these things.
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Which key of Kenpachi are you talking about? Post-Unohana, SAFWY or both?
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Post safwy kenpachi has atleast 10× amp when removing the eye patch. Mayuri made it so
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So are you asking why the Post-SAFWY key (which includes TLA and TYBW first invasion) doesn't have a 10X with eyepatch removed? Just to make things clear.
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Yes, I am aware of arguments against it but those same arguments can also be used against bankai amps from shikai.
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Hm, that is a fair question. I think Arc thought you were talking about the Post-Unohana key, which already scales far above 10X. I will be completely honest, I haven't read SAFWY myself and I don't know the exact context of how this 10X works. Anyone who's more knowledgeable might be able to help you out with this, but from a surface level, if this 10X boost was previously used for the Post-Unohana key, it should be used for the Post-SAFWY key as well. Don't take my word for it though.
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To be fair I am talking about both, any form of zaraki that still uses the new eye patch shoulf have atleast 10× increase when he removes it. If the bankai-shikai argument can be made here as well but I will leave it to the experts to decide whats best.
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The reason the Post-Unohana key doesn't matter is because the difference between Eyepatch Zaraki and no Eyepatch Zaraki is >10X, so it doesn't matter. But yes, if this 10X thing does go through, all of Zaraki's keys which he uses this eyepatch would theoretically get this at least 10X boost.
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It is greater but it is atleast 10× greater, this could potentially be used in his profiles instead but this is all theoretical if it gets approved in the first place
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Cyfow seems to contradict this, he used his Eyepatch removal amp against hikone right? But he used shikai against the hollow guy
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Idk about this. But needing to remove eyepatch is a big thing. And ikkomikidomoe probably isn’t so much stronger than hikone and he just one shotted the hollow with shikai afik
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No we cannot use the difference in scaling and feats to validate a multiplier by our standards.
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They’re probably equal in terms of overall amplification, but Zaraki seemed to mock Hikone for not being able to push him into using his Shikai, when Hikone was asking for it.
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To be fair, Ichigo's in a position where he can't fight many character fairly. First, his opponents have to deal with his Spiritual Pressure and be able to see and interact with him. If they can survive that, then they can fight, but a lot of people in Ichigo's tiers (especially his higher tiers like 4-A and 3-C) have a ton of hax while he is mostly just a flying brick (with the exception of the very high temperature of his attacks), so it's pretty hard.
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It really is a shame, most fights can only really be done in Fun & Games.
Nowadays I ONLY do Fun & Games Matchups. Only trying to equalise/restrict stuff if it becomes a Complete Stomp.
Honestly if you guys have any Requests for character matchups. You can let me know.
Nowadays I ONLY do Fun & Games Matchups. Only trying to equalise/restrict stuff if it becomes a Complete Stomp.
Honestly if you guys have any Requests for character matchups. You can let me know.
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There’s a 10 page battle right now against Saitama
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Because of this eye patch incident, I see Zaraki fighting Unohana as stronger than Zaraki fighting Gremmy. Zaraki's eye patch removal gives more power to his Bankai and Shikai. As Specterxxxx said, there are some statements about the eye patch in the novel. These may need to be looked at.
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It just means base eyepatchless zarakk became that strong. It doesn’t compliment any sort of amp
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The statement is about Azashiro mistaking the original eyepatch removal for being a Bankai iirc. So you could argue his pre TS eyepatch is a 5-10x multiplier. However, our multiplier standards are super strict, and just like we don’t give every Bankai a multiplier, we probably won’t give the eyepatch one either. Definitely think it’s fine tho off site for personal scaling
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why would the eye patch suddenly restrain Kenpachi less though?
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His eyepatch removal very clearly amp his his overall stats, same for his bankai. If it's compared with bankai he should have stats boost.
I think there's no room for doubt about what tyoe of boost zaraki gets
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I understand bankais aren't given a multiplier when they don't show stat Increase yes? But we know there is a stat increase with zaraki. Especially back in soul society arc where he fought ichigo. He sliced a sky scraper sized building in half with air pressure something he couldn't do before. But I agree that this might be wonky
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