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Madness Combat: Low 1-C upgrade (Plus other stuff)
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He agrees with Low 1-C, as he said twice by now.
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Needs 1 more staff input
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@Comiphorous also, you didn't specify the type of concept manipulation
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Type? Also isn't this just IM or DM?
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More like IM
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Yh, this isn't CM
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He doesn't have evaluation rights. You need evaluation rights specifically from Thread Moderators, Bureaucrats, and Administrators.
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Anyways, let me help you.
@Theglassman12 @LordTracer Input on this CRT would be appreciated, especially since only 1 more approval is needed.
@Theglassman12 @LordTracer Input on this CRT would be appreciated, especially since only 1 more approval is needed.
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What's the justification for The Auditor's Immeasurable Speed and LS on his "Personal Hell" key?
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Nah mate, I ain’t got evaluation rights, sorry about that.
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No problem, sorry that I misunderstood your position
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Him supposedly being higher dimensional
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He is the dimension in a literal sense. The dimension itself is his true form, which is four dimensional.
Accelerated_Evolution
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If he's the dimension itself, he should receive Nigh-Omnipresence while on the dimension
As noted on the LS page, simple being a dimension does not qualify for immeasurable LS
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alright
what would be a better replacement? unknown?
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Yeah, this works
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Does him being a 5 dimensional creature changes anything?
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No.
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Also, I now rewatched this episode again and Auditor's deconstruction and supposed Concept Manip should go to his base/avatar form, since the description of the Episode blatantly states that he did it not in the own hell
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Ok, before I address the elephant in the room(the tier). Some of the ability adds are kinda sus and some are missing their references. So, I’ll pretend they work since I don't wanna watch more than I have to although commentary channels playing the game may be fun to watch, it isn't a priority as of now. I'm not going to lie some of those things were funny as hell(no puns intended).
Personal Hell:
For the most part, I see that as fine. Yuck to conceptual manipulation because he manipulated someone's “code?” Since it's fiction couldn't it just be because the dummy has a lot of comical blood? Is that some fancy wordplay for code being conceptual? You know what I will ignore it.
Then we get to the meat and potatoes:
Based on the sussy things I've read of your scans you presented. I can see Low 1-A for the Maker. Though, I need better explanation of the Machine if it is weaker or stronger than the Maker because even its only specific and certain degree, it needs to be explained.
Personal Hell:
For the most part, I see that as fine. Yuck to conceptual manipulation because he manipulated someone's “code?” Since it's fiction couldn't it just be because the dummy has a lot of comical blood? Is that some fancy wordplay for code being conceptual? You know what I will ignore it.
Then we get to the meat and potatoes:
- The Auditor: Immortality needs some reference. I can see the 9th variant only because of the avatar and true form thing, but stating that said being can only die in whatever realm it encompasses would be nice. The 2nd and 3rd variant still needs some sort of reasoning, even if you think the other scans/videos prove it. I'm guessing the shapeshifting part is covering inversion. The “long” link was meant to entail what exactly for the teleportation ability?
- With the Halo: This is fine, but that “homing attack” ability is kinda yucky. I've seen better examples of the ability that's for sure.
- With the Improbability Drive: Blood Manipulation is helluva sus. Bleeding a lot is/was caused by him? I just think it being fiction was meant to represent the casual comical blood loss type ordeal without being contingent on being willed by the person. Creation is sus as he brought up that out just willing it or is there more context about it being Creation and not matter manipulation? Transmutation for the Sun? Didn't the Sun simply become his consciousness on his own accord?
Based on the sussy things I've read of your scans you presented. I can see Low 1-A for the Maker. Though, I need better explanation of the Machine if it is weaker or stronger than the Maker because even its only specific and certain degree, it needs to be explained.
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the Machine is weaker than the Maker, but the Maker does need to remain unseen and unperceieved by the Machine in order to not fall into what the Machine controls and does.
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What in the sigma does that even mean? So, the Maker is beyond the framework of the Universe, but the framework itself is the Machine so, in essence, he can be dragged into the framework?
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not dragged, the Maker can enter the universe and out of it, but he needs to not be part of the framework, like he needs to not be part of the narrative but he can certainly still enter and influence the universe.
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This is in correlation to what you said earlier on the bolded part:
What does the mean for the Maker? That's what I was asking about, if the Machine is the framework and the Maker is the creator and is outside of said Machine/framework. What would happen about the hypothetical of being perceived by the Machine?
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because if he does, then the machine will forever be beyond the control of the maker and the chaos will completely reign in Nevada
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Ok, then Low 1-A for both the Machine and the Maker works. I don't agree with Low 1-C seems baseless.
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That is what was shown yes.
Thats not how that works. The grunt only began bleeding impossibly large gallons upon gallons of blood because the improbability drive was making him bleed that much. Nobody else in the series has that much blood. why would you just assume this single guy breaks the norm instead of assuming the reality warping device which can control space and matter was controlling space and matter?
The attack is tracking the target around a corner to hit them. it's homing in on them. i don't think i need to explain this.
Instead of assuming that the reality warping device was warping reality, you want to assume one guy had impossible amounts of blood that entire time and the sun became conscious on it's own accord conveniently after the drive was activated? thats seriously your argument here?
This CRT doesn't have anything to do with either of those characters. I don't care to discuss their tiering here, it's not relevent to the auditor or this crt.
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Yeah, because of the fact it's meant to be entertaining kinda shows with those two. The convenience of the device does not determine anything, why would we believe a device that controls all time and space make people randomly spew more blood? That's two separate things that have no correlation to each other especially if there's no narration to suggest it. It’s comical and it is meant to be funny and not literal. As for the sun part, I think its purely meant to be funny. He literally just came out of nowhere and didn't look like anything forced him to be sentient. The whole frame was hinging on that lame joke to appease the younger audience.
Yeah, but everyone keeps talking about it. I'm surprised you complied with Low 1-C yet not the higher rating.
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@Dereck03 @Elizio33 @Duedate8898 Input on this CRT would be appreciated, especially since this only needs 1 more staff approval
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I don't even know where to start with this. The improbability drive makes things improbable happen. thats what it does. the moment it was activated, the machine began throwing people across rooms, making it rain whales, and began dropping buildings out of the sky, and began resurrecting people as zombies
but you full heartedly believe that for whatever reason one guy just naturally had a lot of blood and the sun turned sentient on it's own instead of the giant plot device which was the focus of those scenes WASN'T doing it??? those are mental gymnastics i can't even comprehend.
Because im here for accuracy not a higher rating? if Low 1-C is more accurate than 1-A i'm going to use the more accurate one. are we deadass rn
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Also thank you
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Like how you index those specific abilities because it was shown to be supported, yeah. In so much as something being comical as to not having much context behind it then obviously you need better grounds for the abilities. I find that to be a reasonable approach without any further context.
Again, chill with your childish antics and just respond to my point without being brash.
As for what I said earlier about specificity, I end the conversation on that.
Can we talk like civilized adults? Low 1-A seems more accurate to me because of what I've read, not necessarily a sort of wank since I'm not really into this verse. I found the Low 1-C a bit atrocious and lacking things.
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Right now your only argument against the improbability drive is that due to the fact it was comical, it should be treated as something the sun did on it's own. The context is right there and you ignore it due to the fact you find it comical.
I'm tryna get a peak under the hood on how you came to the conclusions you did. That's all.
You read stuff on the machine and maker, who are not apart of this CRT. again perhaps the Low 1-A is good for them, but The Auditor does not scale to people who see him as fiction. His only grounds to scaling to The Machine are that he is a statement that he's a steward to The Machine and that he was able to somehow get his hands on the prime code of The Machine, but we have no idea how he does either of those things beyond vague statements by The Maker and Doc.
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Please intergrate the scans for the Low 1-c stuff into the profile. Low 1-C for sure looks good to go. But also, please get scans for all of the abilities you have listed within the physiology page. It's hard to verify the accuracy of anything when the scans for these abilities are not placed into the pages themselves. Once you get that connected, I can see if I'll approve the new pages in full
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