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Can I ask for any scans of viltrumites switching the fight from Ground to space?
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The Lion Sin vs The Grand Regent of Viltrum
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Okay, is there any instance of Thragg doing the same?
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Dude literally all his fights bar like one, start and stay in space to begin with.
Don't backpedal now, all Viltrumites do this. Thragg is gonna do it either by accident, or the instant he realizes this dude needs oxygen constantly.
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« You don’t seem as fast as you used to, distracted by the pain » Mark blatantly states the sun temperature already affects his directly after they entered it.
A few seconds at 5000 degrees.
Actually, no we don’t there is a huge total of 0 (zero) statements about getting to other layers of the sun and they basically are shown to throw each others METERS away where they find a variation in temperature that litteraly fries his back.
He then sends Thragg back inside the same variation and they stay on it’s surface which is METERS AWAY FROM THEIR STARTING POINT AT THE SURFACE
That’s not being obtuse that’s just looking at straight facts
« You don’t seem as fast as you used to, distracted by the pain »
Meters deeper in the same photosphere they were inside of
Short bursts
Scan ? It’s unquantifiable
We have a given temp of 5000 to 14500 degrees hurting them and multiple short burst temps feats.
« You don’t seem as fast as you used to, distracted by the pain » + getting fried by a heat variation of the photosphere + « you were insane to bring us here tried to flee » + « i’ll leave you to burn » kinda indicates the first layer being able to kill him.
Unquantifiable + scan ?
Scan + Escanor’s weakest forms passive heat boil people that scale higher than these values
which is around 2000 degrees
Scan ? (Gas near a black hole can Heat to thousands not millions of degrees)
Scan ? Statement about temp ? Cause plasma heat varies by a huge margin the photosphere is in fact… plasma
Around 1200 degrees iirc
Scans ? Varies
Show him doing it
Low mid overtime but high low besides
Scan ?
Ok
Mb I can’t find it
Explained that
Escanor has a decent AP advantage and litteraly would stomp in « THE ONE »
Mobility is cool but you should stop ignoring the fact that Escanor ain’t no crippled grandma
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They start there can you show thragg starting on earth and sending the fight to space
That’s if he doesn’t get boiled from Escanor’s passive heat that will in fact WEAKEN HIM as stated in issue #140 and in profiles
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You can count me in the Thragg FRA train due to Chariot, but I have to ask... what are the odds of him flying away from Escanor, go to antarctica and nuke the planet from there and then just wait for Escanor die from a messed up atmosphere while he waits in Mars (or somewhere) once he notices his heat screws him up?
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And then he goes "lmao nah just catching you off guard", couple that with a literal statement you're ignoring for some reason.
As above.
Why statements when you can use your use your eyes? It's drawn in active layers to convey they're going deeper, you don't need to be a genius to see that.
But yep, the sun changes massively within meters is your argument now?
Tf you mean "starting point", we don't even know how deep they were to begin with because it cuts to them already literally inside it.
The facts we have
"the surface of the sun can't hurt a viltrumite"
a dozens feats that eclipse your agenda.
And then them fighting some unknown depths inside a star, going deeper in, and only then getting burned.
"Just trying to catch you off-guard" as he proceeds to immediately do exactly that.
You very blatantly don't know how to angsize or tell depth. I'm not even humoring this.
Mark has literally sat there and took lightning deliberately for a prolonged length of time. But, damn, the two FTL characters fighting? How long do you think this fight is going to be even with that argument?
This dude did not just ask for a scan of the very feat this dude scales off.
Except ya know, standing there eating lightning, swimming through a planet's core, etc.
You're so disingenuous it's asinine. Ignoring the fact they're already some unknown depth into the sun, the very fact it's drawn in layers is to convey the fact that they're going deeper.
And yet you ignore the literal statements saying heat at that level won't hurt them, which already proves they're not fighting where you think they are, if the blatant deeper into it drawings somehow didn't convey that, but you're ignoring every feat, upon which there is many, that proves this nothing but a frail agenda that isn't even worth the time to argue.
This dude really hasnt read the profiles goddamn.
And no, planetary explosions are very much quantifiable.
It's on the profiles wtf, actually read before you waste my time.
And his heat boils people that can withstand fire, so can Powerplex.
So already close to the heat you're somehow arguing is a threat?
Lmao.
"Superheated" plasma that can vaporize heat resistant steel but I'm not here to spoonfeed you, I already posted his ass literally tanking a nuke, twice and yet somehow that isn't good enough.
Planet's core is as hot as the surface of the sun dog, the thing you're arguing is lethal to them, doesn't phase them.
There has LITERALLY already been a scan posted of that in this thread.
Dude where do you think his LS comes from? And no it was a threat.
Jesus
Read the profile.
Sounds like a personal issue, look better.
Then go make a CRT to get it all removed lad.
How can I show that when like every fight of his begins in space? But what I can do is show people exponentially weaker than him and less pragmatic doing that all the time if ya want.
Why do you ignore the literal next line where Thragg goes "sike *****" and isn't actually weakened at all?
Yeah and Thragg has a LS advantage a trillion times higher than him, why ignore that if Thragg so much as touches him he's getting torn apart? You talk about AP advantages, yet the LS one is even worse, and given Thragg actively rips people apart, in character, as like a lead.
He may as well be compared to Thragg.
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Lol, you say they always take the fight to space as if it's intentional, but this video shows that it's not. In fact, Conquest has a scene in space and quickly returns to Earth right afterward.
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So all of Thragg’s fight he never changes the settings of it? I’m genuinely just asking here because from my limited knowledge on the invincible comments and your statement here he doesn’t change the settings.
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Thragg has pride he wouldn’t admit It, Mark noticed he was slower and stated It.
« Why statements when you can assume things without actually having proof »
As stated in my previous message they went meters deeper inside of where they originally were (We don’t know how deep and you can’t assume how deep either we just know that It visually looks like the photosphere)
As stated earlier the photosphere varies between 5k and 14.5k Which is more than enough to seriously harm someone that was stated to be already weakened by 5k degrees
So you can’t assume It
it’s more like « they can withstand temps higher than the sun for short bursts but not for a prolonged exposure »
I answered regarding these feats
He just grabbed him and fought like he always does i don’t see how this impacts what i said earlier
Sure let’s angsize inside of a plasma ball that looks the same everywhere with absolutely 0 idea of distance From surface or anything like that given
Scans ? as stated before blud can litteraly burn People that scale higher than lightning to death passively from meters in his weakest form
Two MFTL characters fighting for mere seconds were burning to death in What is at most 14500 degrees
Just asked for a scan if you can’t i’m sure someone will Send It
Which is far lower than Escanor’s weakest forms passive heat
Am i ? Cause the One that’s actually making assumptions is you.
I’m not saying They can’t tank nukes but that They can in SHORT BURSTS while higher temps can visibly kill them
Blablabla nothing interesting here the surface of the sun varies as stated earlier
Oh so he never did that ok
Oh so he never did that ok
I don’t think this VS will be interesting since the debate is more about the heat Scaling and going back and forth
I’ll just unwatch this
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Except ya know, literally that exact same panel he proves Mark wrong.
"the surface of the sun cant hurt them", is an ACTUAL statement that exists.
Visually? Visually they're balls deep in the sun and go visually deeper. You realize "we cant assume" debunks your own argument right? You're assuming they're at the edge, how, why? Because it "looks" like it? Based on what? Surely it can't be because it's yellow? Realistically speaking the sun isn't even that color up close, so surely you're not gonna argue color changes right?
They have been literally stated to not be harmed by that.
You JUST conceded we don't know how deep they are, thus you saying "5k" is nothing but your own headcanon, especially when actual statements, the crux of your argument at this point, says the exact opposite of what you're arguing.
And "more than enough to harm", 5k shouldn't harm dudes who tank nukes, swim through planetary cores (which is already that hot to begin with) and more but you're so far up your own agenda that you don't even bother to think for a second.
That's ALL you've been doing. You're arguing they were in the surface, not because it's stated, but just because, and ignoring all the corroborative info we have that essentially confirms nah they were pretty far in.
Based on what? Why? On what logic?
"Yeah they can tank the heat of millions of degrees, but uh, only for a second!", ignoring the fact that's enough time to manhandle Escanor and throw him into orbit, you're literally conceding they can withstand temperatures thousands of times above what Escanor can do briefly. Against a dude with a trillion times LS advantage no less?
And that's without getting into the fact that makes no sense to begin with, in what world is consistently showing millions of degrees feats, or feats dozens of times above the surface of the sun for lengthy periods of time without being affected, somehow supporting your argument of "uhm sun surface kills them lmao".
Answer? You don't make the rules lad, tough luck. We accept them, they're used.
"I'm trying to catch you off guard", he says, as he immediately catches him off guard.
Oh, so you admit you have no way to actually tell? And you throwing out words like "a few meters" is complete conjecture?
They're ON the profiles, stop wasting my time.
Oh? More assumptions? Despite conceding we have no idea how deep they were, despite conceding you can't angsize it to know how deep they went, you're still arguing surface level temps, for characters who consistently show temp res within the low millions of degrees? All while it's equally possible for them to be as deep as to be subjected to that level of heat anyway?
And it was longer than that, there's a timecut in there.
How about read the profiles? That way nobody has to waste their time. Like, it's LITERALLY the feat he's scaling off?
I can't tell if this is deliberate. The point was, that they've taken heat that exceeds the heat you're claiming is lethal to them, for prolonged periods of time without issue.
Your entire argument hinges exclusively on assuming where in the sun they are, ignoring about 20-30+ feats that show them withstanding higher heat and in most cases being unphased by it, some of which is over the course of several seconds to even minutes, ignoring actual statements saying heat at that level can't hurt them. Ignoring all that, assuming they must be in the surface instead of the billion other layers to the sun with heat that COULD actually hurt them if they stayed long enough even with those other feats, and just going nah man ya can't assume, so assume this. As opposed to just working off the feats where we don't need to assume a specific placement.
So no lad, you're assuming, and not only are you assuming, you're being ignorant, obnoxious, and making excuses and headcanon as to why "every feat don't count".
In what world could someone who'd die to thousands of degrees tank millions of degrees for a few seconds?
Not enough, and there ya go again, assuming. You want proof, statements, scans, ok, where does it say they're in the surface only? We are told flatout that can't hurt them in other places, so surely based on the actual info we know they can't be hurt by that, yet you're arguing that's where it is, despite them never saying that's where they are, right?
And no, you don't get unphased by heat, and then not even 2x hotter start to boil.
"Hey, I will LITERALLY rip this planet in half if you don't let us live here. We can do it. It is easy. You can no stop us. Everything on this planet will die"
"Well **** we dont have a choice, ok go ahead".
It's accepted, don't like it, get it removed, the fact this was his go to threat too says a lot.
Uh, no? Some of that shit literally happened, I'm just saying don't waste my time when you can see for yourself by just clicking links on the profile, like you should be doing.
Yeah only because you ignore literally every feat ever, ignore the very context of your alleged anti-feat, ignore what's accepted, and just arguing about it anyway when really, you don't have a say here, go make a CRT otherwise.
Concession accepted
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You know what we need to have this thread closed. It’s a shame really.
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No we don't. The only point of contention is heat bullshit, it's accepted though, so unfortunate as it might be, it is what it is, if ya want to overturn that go make a CRT.
Not like it'd matter, there's so much heat slop, from just Robot alone ffs, dude's orange armor has like 6k heat res.
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honestly voting for Thragg, i mean, if he can even resist the heat for like 2 seconds, that's all its gonna take for him to grab escanor overpower him trillions of times over and throw him into space, and that's just ONE of the things he can do in this scenario, hell just moving too fast would **** the planet like how Omni-man annihilated Flaxan's homeworld
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Thragg FRA.
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Voting Thragg as I am inclined with Chariot's reasons and arguments.
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Thruhg FRA/
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Should be comfortably into grace then
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This match is a stomp based on the responses above.
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Not familiar with both characters myself but wouldn't a stomp entail Escanor has no conventional ways of beating Thragg? Which as argued here is not entirely true. Escanor has ways of harming and beating Thragg but Thragg has far more efficient and easier wincons.
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Has Thragg already received enough votes? Should I apply this to the profiles?
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It's a 24 hour grace period.
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I’m still on the “Take him to space” point. I’m told every viltrumite does this but I was also Told that Thragg never does this. So Thragg in his battles never switches the settings of said battle. If he fought in space he remained in space, if he fought on the surface he remained on the surface etc so why is it likely that he would take Escanor to space when in character he’s never done that?
The LS wincon is still there for sure but im not sure Escanor would let himself get crushed easily and would answer with attacks that would affect Thragg due to his higher AP
The LS wincon is still there for sure but im not sure Escanor would let himself get crushed easily and would answer with attacks that would affect Thragg due to his higher AP
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Thragg punches Escanor. Escanor gets team rocketed into space because he has literally zero way to stop himself mid-air to my knowledge.
And you're actually wrong, the one that started on-world went to space. There's also the fact Thragg can just destroy earth and hit the griddy because Escanor can't survive with either a ****** up atmosphere or space.
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Wouldn’t his striking strength only be L5B, which Escanor is?
Scans if you can? I was told by chariot that 2 of his fight were in space and the only one that wasn’t was his against BB.
And is it in character for him to destroy the Earth if he can? Can I also get a scan of that if you can?
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He probably meant instead... That he'd grapple Escanor the moment they get into CQC and a single use of force from Thragg would be able to send Escanor into deep space very fast... This doesn't require the use of Striking Strength/AP. This instead requires the use of Lifting Strength which between both characters exist a huge difference. One so huge... Thragg could possibly pull apart Escanor like a Lego piece similarly to what he does to those he scales far above in his own universe.
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Punches send people back, especially when you fly lol
I don't feel like getting onto my computer TO scan, but yeah that one is weird for a number of reasons, since IIRC it technically started in space and went to planet, and only didn't leave the planet because of honorable combat and "**** it we ball"
37 Viltrumites can tear Earth in half calc (LS)
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He says 37 Viltrumites are enough to rip apart the planet. Seems like a combined feat not him personally threatening to do soPunches send people back, especially when you fly lol
I don't feel like getting onto my computer TO scan, but yeah that one is weird for a number of reasons, since IIRC it technically started in space and went to planet, and only didn't leave the planet because of honorable combat and "**** it we ball"
It was literally his go-to threat, so yeah, give him too many problems and he has no problem destroying earth. At all.37 Viltrumites can tear Earth in half calc (LS)
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It’s a lot I need to start counting them
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I counted 11 Thragg official votes to no official Escanor votes.
no NNT support have given a definitive reason as to why Escanor wins in the same way Chariot did
no NNT support have given a definitive reason as to why Escanor wins in the same way Chariot did
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How I think Escanor CAN win is via AoEs, while the Heat doesn't do shit to Thragg, the AP will, and that's a fair amount of damage to be spamming.
Now is this a solid wincon? Not really, but it is one that's plausible.
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Thragg > 37 weakened fodder (bar like, 2 of them, 2 are decent).
The key point is that he's saying even though they're all weakened from the war, they're still fully capable of doing that with ease.
Lone Viltrumites have destroyed planets in the past, him included, that's just an example we use for LS because it's actually quantifiable statwise.
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Didnt Thragg get beaten up by a group of viltrumites? Is there any statement of Thragg being > combined efforts of 37 viltrumites?
Scan?
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