AngeronTheSkyHighAnger
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Yeah, I know this is a pretty heavy issue that needs to have the entire weight of the forum and mainline site team to actually make a difference but that's not what I am here today. I am not trying to change anything but just making a wider awareness by an observation that I've recently had can probably be testified by several people here.
I can be for certain that many people here can agree that the frequency of 1-A profiles has risen significantly over the lifespan of VSBW, especially these last few years. Of course, this is natural, as many new fictional universes are added and created this makes for more profiles to be added. Some happen to be belong to Outerversal level or tier 1-A because of the way they're presented in the story and vice-versa.
But there are discrepancies in data which can be observed within the tiers. With each profile having a category we can deduce just how many character profiles belong to each tier and so I am here to prove that there is in fact a 1-A bloat going around.
First, lets compare the A's of each tier. Obviously because 1-A tier is one but also to avoid clutter and bring the same message.
Not really the best of arguments but you can still see that there is a small discrepancy on how the pie just loses consistency towards the last pie. Each tier gets dwindles in number until we bump into 2-A and 1-A, the tiers with the most prestige in their name but that's besides the point. But this is my weakest argument still.
Here's the real Deal Breaker
Among the higher infinity category of power, 1-A has a particular dominance where it breaks the mold and consistency with the other tiers. Where usually the lowest tier has the highest number of participants, the next lowest and so on, the 1-A for some reason is a huge outlier to this particular order.
And I have checked, there aren't that many tiers that have such discrepancy. When there are, they aren't like how 1-A appears on this chart.
Take Tier 3 or Cosmic level for example. the major discprency is that tier 3-B (Multi-galaxy) has the lowest, not the highest, the lowest amount of entries in its category. This is the most often discrepancy I usually find within tiers but this seems more of a norm than a "discrepancy". Something that 1-A does not share as it is the opposite of what I've seen. It instead is the nearly the tier with the most entries in its category.
Why such a fuss about the Outerversal tier?
I could've easily taken a rant about any number of tiers, heck I could've gone into Low 1-C and how its bloated but I'd be lying through my teeth.
The reason why I am making a fuss about the Outerversal tier and the reason why I made this post is how easily this tier can have its rules twisted, melded and reordered because it has such an esoteric description of power. It isn't hard-coded like many other tiers like planet level or universe level, outerverse level is literally about being esoteric in power but this leads to a lot of pages seeming out of place and a bit too powerful for what they're presented? In the past, the outerversal was usually relegated to verses like Dark Tower, H.P. Lovecraft, Umeniko, Absolute Highest ends of Marvel and DC characters and so on. Verses with an extremely esoteric but also very massive cosmology with established mythos and aspects that create a massive world beyond human comprehension. Now its like every third character is 1-A for some reason.
My biggest example is the Earth-1611 Sentry page.
I am fully aware that Marvel has some genuine 1-A scaling and that some characters, especially like sentry, that are quite probable to be there... But not one argument brought there justifies a 1-A tier placement. I am not here to argue about the sentries profile but every single scan that was used as an example in the page, would make Earth-1611 Sentry into 2-A level at most rather than 1-A. Even the other stats agree so, his speed is only MTFL+ and lifting strength is Class M, very unusual for characters within the Tier 1 category in general.
Final Words
I'm not looking for any changes, arguments or pointing fingers at. I'm simply making this thread for an open discussion around 1-A tier because I feel that we need to at least talk about an underlying issue that is just going to keep getting repeated and we end up getting ridiculed for it.
I can be for certain that many people here can agree that the frequency of 1-A profiles has risen significantly over the lifespan of VSBW, especially these last few years. Of course, this is natural, as many new fictional universes are added and created this makes for more profiles to be added. Some happen to be belong to Outerversal level or tier 1-A because of the way they're presented in the story and vice-versa.
But there are discrepancies in data which can be observed within the tiers. With each profile having a category we can deduce just how many character profiles belong to each tier and so I am here to prove that there is in fact a 1-A bloat going around.
First, lets compare the A's of each tier. Obviously because 1-A tier is one but also to avoid clutter and bring the same message.
Not really the best of arguments but you can still see that there is a small discrepancy on how the pie just loses consistency towards the last pie. Each tier gets dwindles in number until we bump into 2-A and 1-A, the tiers with the most prestige in their name but that's besides the point. But this is my weakest argument still.
Here's the real Deal Breaker
Among the higher infinity category of power, 1-A has a particular dominance where it breaks the mold and consistency with the other tiers. Where usually the lowest tier has the highest number of participants, the next lowest and so on, the 1-A for some reason is a huge outlier to this particular order.
And I have checked, there aren't that many tiers that have such discrepancy. When there are, they aren't like how 1-A appears on this chart.
Take Tier 3 or Cosmic level for example. the major discprency is that tier 3-B (Multi-galaxy) has the lowest, not the highest, the lowest amount of entries in its category. This is the most often discrepancy I usually find within tiers but this seems more of a norm than a "discrepancy". Something that 1-A does not share as it is the opposite of what I've seen. It instead is the nearly the tier with the most entries in its category.
Why such a fuss about the Outerversal tier?
I could've easily taken a rant about any number of tiers, heck I could've gone into Low 1-C and how its bloated but I'd be lying through my teeth.
The reason why I am making a fuss about the Outerversal tier and the reason why I made this post is how easily this tier can have its rules twisted, melded and reordered because it has such an esoteric description of power. It isn't hard-coded like many other tiers like planet level or universe level, outerverse level is literally about being esoteric in power but this leads to a lot of pages seeming out of place and a bit too powerful for what they're presented? In the past, the outerversal was usually relegated to verses like Dark Tower, H.P. Lovecraft, Umeniko, Absolute Highest ends of Marvel and DC characters and so on. Verses with an extremely esoteric but also very massive cosmology with established mythos and aspects that create a massive world beyond human comprehension. Now its like every third character is 1-A for some reason.
My biggest example is the Earth-1611 Sentry page.
I am fully aware that Marvel has some genuine 1-A scaling and that some characters, especially like sentry, that are quite probable to be there... But not one argument brought there justifies a 1-A tier placement. I am not here to argue about the sentries profile but every single scan that was used as an example in the page, would make Earth-1611 Sentry into 2-A level at most rather than 1-A. Even the other stats agree so, his speed is only MTFL+ and lifting strength is Class M, very unusual for characters within the Tier 1 category in general.
I was going to bring legends star wars but I feel it has already faced enough ridicule that I didn't want to beat a dead horse over it.
Final Words
I'm not looking for any changes, arguments or pointing fingers at. I'm simply making this thread for an open discussion around 1-A tier because I feel that we need to at least talk about an underlying issue that is just going to keep getting repeated and we end up getting ridiculed for it.
