The Lion Sin vs The Grand Regent of Viltrum

[Majinere566]

Battle Of The Mustache

In the heart of the Sahara Desert, two powerhouses clash—Escanor, whose strength peaks at noon, and Thragg, the Viltrumite warlord driven by conquest.

Escanor is in His New Holy War Arc key(>756.915 Exatons)

Thragg is Thragg(567 Exatons.)

Speed is Equalized


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Escanor:

Thragg: 12(Not tagging everyone’s profile)

 

[Makai641001]

Battle Of The Mustache

In the heart of the Sahara Desert, two powerhouses clash—Escanor, whose strength peaks at noon, and Thragg, the Viltrumite warlord driven by conquest.

Escanor is in His New Holy War Arc key(>756.915 Exatons)

Thragg is Thragg(>1.7 Zettatons of TNT)

Speed is Equalized

Escanor:

Thragg

Escanor should take this without much problem.

He currently is 5-C at his weakest and 5-B near noon.

His passive heat at mid morning far outscales Lightning heat.
He would gradually overpower Thragg that will just get weaker progressively while Escanor gets amped massively.

The Smart Atoms of Viltumites cannot withstand high temperatures for long periods of time, with prolonged exposure heavily weakening their strength and durability as the atomic bonds are ripped apart.

Thragg only wincon would be his BFR but idek if he pulls it often.

Escanor has way more ways to go.

 

[Majinere566]

He currently is 5-C at his weakest and 5-B near noon.

Escanor is using his New Holy War key where he’s 5-C to Low 5-B which is where Thragg is

 

[TheRustyOne]

Thragg doesn't scale to the combined feat.

He just scales above 567 Exatons.

 

[Majinere566]

Noted will edit it

 

[Majinere566]

Does Thragg have any wincons? Or is this a stomp?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Does Thragg have any wincons?

No

 

[Majinere566]

No

Thragg does hold the LS advantage tho

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Thragg does hold the LS advantage tho

But he's fried when he gets close to Escanor

 

[Majinere566]

But he's fried when he gets close to Escanor

He’s still capable of fighting in high intense heat like he did against Mark just not for an extended period

 

[Chariot190]

Thragg literally one shots people at that level, it's not just "he's a bit higher", we're talking splattering, nolan, a stronger Nolan who upscales the 500t feat, splatters his arms punching Thragg, and Thragg has ripped the heads off and ripped dudes in half who scale or upscale the feat directly, including dudes who one shot dudes who scale to the fact like a later Mark or Dino. There's a nasty scaling chain going.
As an aside, Thragg's heat res is in the millions of degrees, being able to facetank nukes and could fight within the depths of the sun for a period of time, with the surface of said sun not being able to deal physical damage to him. Like, just made a CRT for that actually, a much weaker Mark can tank bombs that vaporize cities, or legit nukes, pointblank.
Plus, Thragg has literally continued fighting as a charred body for an extended length of time, his pain tolerance is asinine.

Also uh, Thragg could just rip the planet in half if he starts losing, which wouldn't be hard given his mobility, movement and ability to disengage greatly exceed Escanor's ability, and battles with Viltrumites almost always go to space, if Escanor doesn't have self-sustenance, dude's kind of ******.
Ripping, tearing, too etc, Escanor isn't so much stronger, if at all, that Thragg can't use his ludicrous LS advantage to just, ya know, do what Invincible lads do, in that being grappling and just, ya know.

 

[Majinere566]

If Thragg is massively above 567 Exatons should I switch Escanor’s key to The Demon King Arc where he’s 5-B?

 

[Chariot190]

If Thragg is massively above 567 Exatons should I switch Escanor’s key to The Demon King Arc where he’s 5-B?

I said massively, not a whole ass tier my dude.

 

[Majinere566]

Fair, Escanor however keeps getting stronger until noon where his power peaks so it’s fair to assume Escanor still holds the AP Advantage right?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

If Thragg is massively above 567 Exatons should I switch Escanor’s key to The Demon King Arc where he’s 5-B?

The One Escanor is 7.49 Zettatons

 

[Majinere566]

Also didn’t Thragg fight BB for 3 days straight without taking BB to space?

 

[Chariot190]

Also didn’t Thragg fight BB for 3 days straight without taking BB to space?

There was like a mutual understanding there out of respect as BB wounded himself out of honor because Thragg himself was weakened so they'd be on equal ground, so Thragg went aight, and won regardless.
Escanor ain't gonna be doing anything like that, so why would Thragg care? This ain't gonna be a death match on equal footing.

Ignoring that, literally like every fight with a Viltrumite has went to space, plus the ol "cant beat it, send it to space" invincible tech is a thing all the same.

Fair, Escanor however keeps getting stronger until noon where his power peaks so it’s fair to assume Escanor still holds the AP Advantage right?

Would it be?
Thragg can literally mutilate dudes who can mutilate dudes who scale to the feat and dudes who can gore dudes who scale to the fact hurt and maim themselves trying to hurt him, that you have listed only a bit below Escanor's. How much stronger does he get? If it ain't complete one shot gaps that turn people to gore idk.

 

[Makai641001]

There was like a mutual understanding there out of respect as BB wounded himself out of honor because Thragg himself was weakened so they'd be on equal ground, so Thragg went aight, and won regardless.
Escanor ain't gonna be doing anything like that, so why would Thragg care? This ain't gonna be a death match on equal footing.

Ignoring that, literally like every fight with a Viltrumite has went to space, plus the ol "cant beat it, send it to space" invincible tech is a thing all the same.

Would it be?
Thragg can literally mutilate dudes who can mutilate dudes who scale to the feat and dudes who can gore dudes who scale to the fact hurt and maim themselves trying to hurt him, that you have listed only a bit below Escanor's. How much stronger does he get? If it ain't complete one shot gaps that turn people to gore idk.

basically goes from 5-C to 5-B in Basically an hour

Also the profiles state surface heat of the stars for the resistances with the DNA thing.

Post revival DM Meliodas scales at 749 exatons value Escanor mid morning scales around this value.

Near noon he can endure hits from AM Meliodas that’s stronger than his DM self to the point of one shotting passively the COD that he couldn’t get out of previously

At noon he One shotted AM Meliodas although it’s stated a serious AM Meli could win against him

Sunshine also negs regen

Also not only does Sunshine make him stronger but he’ll also become faster each second that passes

 

[Chariot190]

basically goes from 5-C to 5-B in Basically an hour

Also the profiles state surface heat of the stars for the resistances with the DNA thing.

I just made a CRT, think only Mark is updated atm but it's accepted, I just haven't ya know, added it because I'm lazy but it's accepted, I could go do it right now. They can facetank heat that vaporizes cities and nukes.

Post revival DM Meliodas scales at 749 exatons value Escanor mid morning scales around this value.

Yes I'm aware.

Near noon he can endure hits from AM Meliodas that’s stronger than his DM self to the point of one shotting passively the COD that he couldn’t get out of previously

Define one shot, because Thragg like,



This is the type of one shot we're talking about, for dudes that scale above the feat in question or did said feat. If you include dudes getting close like Oliver, then it becomes ridiculously morbid.

Thragg doesn't just tank attacks by those that upscale his feat, he gores them, casually.

At noon he One shotted AM Meliodas although it’s stated a serious AM Meli could win against him

As above, when I say one shot I don't mean "knock out" I mean reduce to bloody entrails.

Sunshine also negs regen

Why does this matter at all?

Also not only does Sunshine make him stronger but he’ll also become faster each second that passes

Not allowed. Thragg is faster, you can't gain a speed advantage over the normally faster character in speed equal.

 

[Makai641001]

I just made a CRT, think only Mark is updated atm but it's accepted, I just haven't ya know, added it because I'm lazy but it's accepted, I could go do it right now. They can facetank heat that vaporizes cities and nukes.

What does this Scale to in terms of heat, for how long can they tank it Sunshine can boil alive People that can’t be harmed by normal fire

Yes I'm aware.

Define one shot, because Thragg like,



This is the type of one shot we're talking about, for dudes that scale above the feat in question or did said feat. If you include dudes getting close like Oliver, then it becomes ridiculously morbid.

He made the Cocoon of darkness completely explode with his mere presence inside it despite COD having resistance to His miasma

Thragg doesn't just tank attacks by those that upscale his feat, he gores them, casually.

As above, when I say one shot I don't mean "knock out" I mean reduce to bloody entrails.

Escanor is 1 to 2 one shot gaps above the dude that scales to the value that’s already 1.5x what thragg upscales from

Why does this matter at all?

Not allowed. Thragg is faster, you can't gain a speed advantage over the normally faster character in speed equal.

Oh, right forgot that characters with amps can’t use their amps fully in these cases.

Thragg’s DNA regen will be negated tho due to sunshine magic every hit he’ll take will basically be lethal

 

[Chariot190]

What does this Scale to in terms of heat, for how long can they tank it Sunshine can boil alive People that can’t be harmed by normal fire

Millions of degrees. Boiling people who can't be harmed by normal fire is nothing compared to bombs that vaporized Los Angeles and turned it into a glass floor.
Check Mark's profile, scans there. Nukes in general that hot. Thragg himself could fight unphased by the surface of the sun too, which is well beyond boiling people who can withstand fire, and further still, fought in the depths of the sun, which can reach millions of degrees as well. Although, that did end up doing damage, it was over time.

He made the Cocoon of darkness completely explode with his mere presence inside it despite COD having resistance to His miasma

That tells me nothing.

Escanor is 1 to 2 one shot gaps above the dude that scales to the value that’s already 1.5x what thragg upscales from

And Thragg is like 3-4 his, by extreme mutilation standards, while holding like a trillion times LS advantage. Thragg can literally rip Escanor in half, let alone do things like just rip his weapons out of his hand, or anything else. Throw his ass to space, literally rip the planet in two as a last resort, etc.

Oh, right forgot that characters with amps can’t use their amps fully in these cases.

Thragg’s DNA regen will be negated tho due to sunshine magic every hit he’ll take will basically be lethal

Wtf are you even taking about? Thragg doesnt have DNA regen to begin with. And ya know Thragg can dodge right? He has an extreme mobility advantage. Or literally power through it because he can continue fighting till he's a mutilated corpse.

 

[speedster352]

Millions of degrees. Boiling people who can't be harmed by normal fire is nothing compared to bombs that vaporized Los Angeles and turned it into a glass floor.
Check Mark's profile, scans there. Nukes in general that hot. Thragg himself could fight unphased by the surface of the sun too, which is well beyond boiling people who can withstand fire, and further still, fought in the depths of the sun, which can reach millions of degrees as well. Although, that did end up doing damage, it was over time.

That tells me nothing.

And Thragg is like 3-4 his, by extreme mutilation standards, while holding like a trillion times LS advantage. Thragg can literally rip Escanor in half, let alone do things like just rip his weapons out of his hand, or anything else. Throw his ass to space, literally rip the planet in two as a last resort, etc.

Wtf are you even taking about? Thragg doesnt have DNA regen to begin with. And ya know Thragg can dodge right? He has an extreme mobility advantage. Or literally power through it because he can continue fighting till he's a mutilated corpse.

The sun literally lead to the end of Thragg and the sun is only 5 k degrees so the other feat is an outlier plain and simple. Sunshine is way hotter than lightning and the heat would do Thragg in.

 

[Makai641001]

Millions of degrees.

Fighting inside the chromosphere/photosphere of the sun is like 6500 degrees you’d have to get closer to the core to get around 6500 to 500k C while the core itself is like 15 millions and it’s envelop is like a million degrees

I saw the scans and absolutely nothing indicates core or being close to core and they survived It for a few exchanges before taking loads of damage

Thragg also stated that he’d « leave him to burn if that’s what he wanted » while trying to leave the first layer of the sun which kind of confirms it represents a danger if they get exposed to it for extended periods of time

If not why would he suggest that the dude would likely burn from it and try to flee

Boiling people who can't be harmed by normal fire is nothing compared to bombs that vaporized Los Angeles and turned it into a glass floor.

You can turn sand to glass at around 1700 degrees C + their DNA protects them from short bursts

So basically your thread gave proof for a 6500 degrees Resistance up to 14500 which is the max temp for the first two layers of the sun

Check Mark's profile, scans there. Nukes in general that hot. Thragg himself could fight unphased by the surface of the sun too, which is well beyond boiling people who can withstand fire, and further still, fought in the depths of the sun, which can reach millions of degrees as well. Although, that did end up doing damage, it was over time.

His Viltrumite nature makes him resistant to heat for short periods of time
(Never ever was It stated that They went in the depths of the sun just that they were inside it)

That tells me nothing.

And Thragg is like 3-4 his, by extreme mutilation standards, while holding like a trillion times LS advantage. Thragg can literally rip Escanor in half, let alone do things like just rip his weapons out of his hand, or anything else. Throw his ass to space, literally rip the planet in two as a last resort, etc.

Wtf are you even taking about? Thragg doesnt have DNA regen to begin with. And ya know Thragg can dodge right? He has an extreme mobility advantage. Or literally power through it because he can continue fighting till he's a mutilated corpse.

Having a mobility advantage doesn’t mean he can’t be touched.

Anything Escanor throws will deal damage and he won’t regenerate from It at all.

Besides that Escanor has Pretty decent range to catch him he basically nuked Édimbourg this Escanor was way weaker than the key we use

And his mid morning scales passively far higher than 30k C

Also note that the heat and fire produced by Sunshine is superior to natural fire, as it was able to instantly vaporize Izraf's Black Full-Plate, which he said was impregnable even to the Demon Clan's purgatory fire. Purgatory fire burned down the Fairy King's Forest, which is immune to natural fire.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Fighting inside the chromosphere/photosphere of the sun is like 6500 degrees you’d have to get closer to the core to get around 6500 to 500k C while the core itself is like 15 millions and it’s envelop is like a million degrees

I saw the scans and absolutely nothing indicates core or being close to core and they survived It for a few exchanges before taking loads of damage

Thragg also stated that he’d « leave him to burn if that’s what he wanted » while trying to leave the first layer of the sun which kind of confirms it represents a danger if they get exposed to it for extended periods of time

If not why would he suggest that the dude would likely burn from it and try to flee

He is arguing this based on the fact that Mark can survive nuclear explosions that reach thousands of degrees.

 

[Makai641001]

He is arguing this based on the fact that Mark can survive nuclear explosions that reach thousands of degrees.

The argument being « it can transform sand into glass » which is 1700 degrees is mid and won’t help him

1nd the millions of degrees is bullshit since Mark didn’t get exposed to it for a long period of time

6500 degrees represent a danger to top tier viltrumites if they are exposed to it for a long period of time

My point is that Escanor passive heat will not only burn thragg but also negate his regen.

While he’ll get slower and weaker Escanor becomes stronger

Escanor has enough range to counter his mobility on top of having pseudo flight/Danmaku and a variety of ranged attacks that could all be lethal to Thragg.

Also even though he up scales from his 500 exatons value he has no stated value therefore Escanor has the edge in terms of AP

Having 3 to 4 one shot gaps is cool but he still has 0 stated value

Escanor has a higher value mid morning

LS and BFR are the two only ways Thragg can win but Escanor ain’t gonna let him tear his ass appart

Escanor can boil his ass alive from meters to kilometers away

This can go both ways but Escanor has more ways to go imo

 

[Chariot190]

Fighting inside the chromosphere/photosphere of the sun is like 6500 degrees you’d have to get closer to the core to get around 6500 to 500k C while the core itself is like 15 millions and it’s envelop is like a million degrees

I saw the scans and absolutely nothing indicates core or being close to core and they survived It for a few exchanges before taking loads of damage

Ignoring the fact they're undamaged by heat at that level, undamaged by the surface of stars as directly stated, and have taken nukes that emit millions of degrees of heat?

Thragg also stated that he’d « leave him to burn if that’s what he wanted » while trying to leave the first layer of the sun which kind of confirms it represents a danger if they get exposed to it for extended periods of time

Literally stated they can withstand it just fine and only stuff past that affects smart atoms over a period of time.

If not why would he suggest that the dude would likely burn from it and try to flee

A hinderance is not condemnation. Like dude, it sucks but they were fine and we have statements confirming as such.

You can turn sand to glass at around 1700 degrees C + their DNA protects them from short bursts

Did you ignore the fact a nuke vaporized a whole city? The glassing was an aftereffect. Do you know how hot nukes get?
Short bursts, ya know what, for argument's sake sure, how long do you think this fight is lasting? They aren't slow, even in speed equal they're be having a whole ass fight in less than 1 second.

So basically your thread gave proof for a 6500 degrees Resistance up to 14500 which is the max temp for the first two layers of the sun

"Literal nuke".

His Viltrumite nature makes him resistant to heat for short periods of time
(Never ever was It stated that They went in the depths of the sun just that they were inside it)

Well let's see, we're told the surface isn't enough to damage them nor effect smart atoms, we see them not taking any damage in the surface, they actively push the fight deeper into the sun, we already know that thousands of degrees can't phase them and have taken literal nukes and stuff at that level consistently, and the implication is somehow not they went deeper into the sun? Don't be obtuse.

Having a mobility advantage doesn’t mean he can’t be touched.

It does when his ass goes to space, is flying through around everything, and can easily create or close gaps.

Anything Escanor throws will deal damage and he won’t regenerate from It at all.

He doesn't have regen to begin with, this is how I know you haven't actually read this shit.

Besides that Escanor has Pretty decent range to catch him he basically nuked Édimbourg this Escanor was way weaker than the key we use

Escanor lacks the range to hit him if he decides to just nuke the planet, dude ain't going to space.

And his mid morning scales passively far higher than 30k C

Which is lower than a nuke. Which Mark can tank. pointblank, and is fine.

Also why ignore the dude has like a trillion LS advantage? Thragg touches Escanor and he gets ripped in half, thrown into space, weapon ripped from his hands, etc. And Thragg has the benefit of not even needing to fight him directly if he actually starts losing, what's Escanor gonna do if Thragg rips the planet in half or throws the continent into space? That mobility advantage kinda handy. There won't be an atmosphere or anything, hell Thragg literally threatened to do that to earth with his like 30 fodder goons in retaliation, it's something not off the table as a last resort, a last resort that can't be stopped.

If ya don't like it, go get the nuke feats removed ig.

 

[Chariot190]

The argument being « it can transform sand into glass » which is 1700 degrees is mid and won’t help him

Why are you like, ignoring the actual feat and oversimplifying it?

1nd the millions of degrees is bullshit since Mark didn’t get exposed to it for a long period of time

Literal nuke.

6500 degrees represent a danger to top tier viltrumites if they are exposed to it for a long period of time

And yet we're told literally that is something they can endure just fine.

My point is that Escanor passive heat will not only burn thragg but also negate his regen.

Tell me you haven't even read without telling me directly.

While he’ll get slower and weaker Escanor becomes stronger

Slower will never be an argument, simply not allowed in speed equal against the dude a trillion times faster.

Escanor has enough range to counter his mobility on top of having pseudo flight/Danmaku and a variety of ranged attacks that could all be lethal to Thragg.

Escanor can't hit a dude who dipped into space or across the planet.

Also even though he up scales from his 500 exatons value he has no stated value therefore Escanor has the edge in terms of AP

Having 3 to 4 one shot gaps is cool but he still has 0 stated value

Are we really going to pretend literal goring isn't bridging that gap?

Escanor has a higher value mid morning

Yeah and Thragg's LS value is comparatively exponentially above Escanor's AP advantage, all while Thragg's value isn't so much lower he still can't compete.

LS and BFR are the two only ways Thragg can win but Escanor ain’t gonna let him tear his ass appart

So, literally any physical contact? The instant the fight goes into CQC.

Escanor can boil his ass alive from meters to kilometers away

If we ignore literal nukes, city vaporizing bombs, and fighting some unknown depths into the sun.

This can go both ways but Escanor has more ways to go imo

He literally can't stop Thragg from stripping the planet of an atmosphere, and if they go into CQC he gets out LS'd hard. Or like, literally one punch into space given that's what the BFR is there for.

 

[speedster352]

How do the strongest characters in the series nearly die from the suns heat but you are claiming that a weaker version of mark resisted beyond 11k temperates when then sun surface is 5x lower than lightning which Escanor heat scales way above.

 

[Chariot190]

How do the strongest characters in the series nearly die from the suns heat but you are claiming that a weaker version of mark resisted beyond 11k temperates when then sun surface is 5x lower than lightning which Escanor heat scales way above.

Because it wasn't the surface of the sun? We're flatout told the surface can't hurt them.
It doesn't actually begin hurting them till they go deeper into it, how much deeper? Who tf knows, they're mftl an we see breaks at points anyhow, but it's deep enough to hurt characters who aren't effected by lightning, heat that can vaporize people, vaporize cities, literal nukes, exploding planets, etc.

We don't know how deep they went, but it sure as hell wasn't the outer layer we're told doesn't hurt them and we see as much.

So how high? Who knows, but given the deepest parts of the sun can go up to literally tens of millions of degrees, we're working with a pretty high cap at worst, which given ya know, the numerous other feats of temps in that range, you tell me?

 

[Makai641001]

Ignoring the fact they're undamaged by heat at that level,

Heat varies from 5000 to 14500 degrees in the first 2 layers of the sun which would explain why moving inside them can start to burn them it’s litteraly shown that they do get burned when exposed to some parts of the photosphere (Glowing yellow part of the sun) you actually have no proof that they got to another deeper layer of the sun.

No change in colors, no statement, heck you don’t even know which direction they go.

undamaged by the surface of stars as directly stated, and have taken nukes that emit millions of degrees of heat?

Literally stated they can withstand it just fine and only stuff past that affects smart atoms over a period of time.

A hinderance is not condemnation. Like dude, it sucks but they were fine and we have statements confirming as such.

Did you ignore the fact a nuke vaporized a whole city? The glassing was an aftereffect. Do you know how hot nukes get?

100 million degrees for 1 mt approximately which would be a massive outlier as they get fried by outer layers of the sun lol

Short bursts, ya know what, for argument's sake sure, how long do you think this fight is lasting? They aren't slow, even in speed equal they're be having a whole ass fight in less than 1 second.

"Literal nuke".

Well let's see, we're told the surface isn't enough to damage them nor effect smart atoms, we see them not taking any damage in the surface, they actively push the fight deeper into the sun, we already know that thousands of degrees can't phase them and have taken literal nukes and stuff at that level consistently, and the implication is somehow not they went deeper into the sun? Don't be obtuse.

It’s not about being obtuse it’s about feats and statements

It does when his ass goes to space, is flying through around everything, and can easily create or close gaps.

Yeah he can flee if he wants to, Escanor can fly too but if thragg wants to win he’ll have to get close

He doesn't have regen to begin with, this is how I know you haven't actually read this shit.

• Regeneration (High-Low, Low-Mid over time) and Immortality (Type 2 & 3;

Escanor lacks the range to hit him if he decides to just nuke the planet, dude ain't going to space.

Yeah did Thragg ever do it in character ?

Show him doing it

Which is lower than a nuke. Which Mark can tank. pointblank, and is fine.

Which is 5x above something thousands of times hotter than what could burn them to death

Also why ignore the dude has like a trillion LS advantage? Thragg touches Escanor and he gets ripped in half, thrown into space, weapon ripped from his hands, etc. And Thragg has the benefit of not even needing to fight him directly if he actually starts losing, what's Escanor gonna do if Thragg rips the planet in half or throws the continent into space? That mobility advantage kinda handy. There won't be an atmosphere or anything, hell Thragg literally threatened to do that to earth with his like 30 fodder goons in retaliation, it's something not off the table as a last resort, a last resort that can't be stopped.

Yeah that’s pretty easy when you assume a single carress of thragg could obliterate Escanor just so you know he ain’t no crippled moustache man he can move too, dodge, hit etc…

If ya don't like it, go get the nuke feats removed ig.

An Outlier is an event or incident that is considered to be completely and irreconcilably inconsistent with a character, entity, group, or series' normal displayed level of power. Outliers are often regarded as unusable in forum debates

 

[Catbowtie]

Placing my vote at Thragg For Reasons Above for now. Viltrumites LOVE to change fighting stages mid-combat so going to space is pretty reasonable and Thragg being able to mutilate people who gores other people comparable to him closes the AP gap.

Thragg surviving the sun allows him to grab Escanor and bring him to space, especially with Immortality Type 2 to power through Escanor’s sun aura. Escanor just kinda gets sent to space and loses from suffocating to death, from BFR or from incapacitation.

 

[Ebihara]

Ill vote thragg for chariots reasons.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Thragg FRA.

Pretty silly to use the seconds argument when Thragg won't be wasting them and they're both literally FTL here.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Placing my vote at Thragg For Reasons Above for now. Viltrumites LOVE to change fighting stages mid-combat so going to space is pretty reasonable and Thragg being able to mutilate people who gores other people comparable to him closes the AP gap.

Escanor is more than 10 times stronger than him with 'The One'. How is he closing that gap?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Escanor is more than 10 times stronger than him with 'The One'. How is he closing that gap?

That requires him to actually use that, and not stop thinking as he drifts off and his organs explode from being in space

 

[Demon_Lord18]

That requires him to actually use that, and not stop thinking as he drifts off and his organs explode from being in space

He doesn't need to think to use 'The One'; it's something that happens regardless of his will.

 

[DaReaperMan]

He doesn't need to think to use 'The One'; it's something that happens regardless of his will.

He'll still be a slowly freezing corpse floating through space.

 

[Makai641001]

Let’s ignore Escanor weakest forms being 4 to 5 times hotter than what could burn them to crisps

Let’s ignore the fact that the near noon Escanor that scales to the 700 exatons value is litteraly 1 minute away from The One

Thragg 1 taps gg

Thragg FRA

 

[Chariot190]

Heat varies from 5000 to 14500 degrees in the first 2 layers of the sun which would explain why moving inside them can start to burn them it’s litteraly shown that they do get burned when exposed to some parts of the photosphere (Glowing yellow part of the sun) you actually have no proof that they got to another deeper layer of the sun.

So you're just being deliberately obtuse got it.

No change in colors, no statement, heck you don’t even know which direction they go.

Yes we do? They go inward? The **** do you mean "we don't know" which direction, they come from the outside, go straight, and keep going in because we have basic spatial awareness and object permeance to know where they're located relative to the direction they just came. And it's actively drawn in layers like patches. The very blatant attempt to show them going deeper, somehow isn't them going deeper?

100 million degrees for 1 mt approximately which would be a massive outlier as they get fried by outer layers of the sun lol

Or, maybe, when we're told "hey the outer layers of the sun don't hurt them" directly, they're shown not to be hurt, and then the only time the sun hurts them is when they're shoved deeper in, on top of consistently tanking nuclear blasts, planetary explosions and shit tha eclipses what you're downplaying as...

Dude you realize if you want to go the outlier route, the "outer layers of the sun" is what's an outlier right given they have multiple feats that eclipse that? You're sabotaging your own argument.

It’s not about being obtuse it’s about feats and statements

"The surface of the sun doesn't hurt them"
"Mark tanks a nuke"
"Tanks a nuke again"
"Nolan and others can tank nukes"
"Viltrumites can withstand an exploding planet"
"Bombs that vaporize a city do little to them"
"Focused lightning doesn't hurt them"
"Mark is unaffected by heat that charcoals people"
be near a black hole which is millions of degrees
They can also shrug off superheated plasma, whatever tf robot has going on, and various other hero slop.

And when it comes to things thousands of degrees in heat, given that's what you're arguing as a threat, it isn't even remotely dangerous, Mark can swim through superheated lava, unphased by ablation, etc.

You're being obtuse.

Yeah he can flee if he wants to, Escanor can fly too but if thragg wants to win he’ll have to get close

No he doesn't? He can literally go rip the planet in half.

• Regeneration (High-Low, Low-Mid over time) and Immortality (Type 2 & 3;

"over time"

Yeah did Thragg ever do it in character ?

Uh, yeah actually, it was his first thing he was gonna do on earth if they didn't let him stay.
And uh, literally every fight with a Viltrumite goes to space bar the BB on? Like half the time it isn't even deliberate it just moves there because they're launching each other millions of km.

Show him doing it

Dude that shit is on the profiles.

Which is 5x above something thousands of times hotter than what could burn them to death

Except ya know, the nukes, the other nukes, the exploding planets, the etc. Shit's on the profiles, it's accepted, you downplaying it because "oh the sun", ignoring we're told the outer layers can't even hurt them to begin with, and it only starting to when they go deeper in, does it do anything, which at that point could be anything up to tens of millions of degrees, ain't slick, it's obnoxious.

Yeah that’s pretty easy when you assume a single carress of thragg could obliterate Escanor just so you know he ain’t no crippled moustache man he can move too, dodge, hit etc…

Given the LS advantage? Yeah, probably could. Except Thragg also holds a massive mobility advantage, something you yourself conceded to.

 

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