Chainsaw Man discussion thread

[Saqphire]

Makima was using 20% Gun's power- she had to uber-weaken him in order for them to be physically comparable. Meanwhile spears are just made of Wolverine Claws in Chainsaw Man. Regular civilians can stab Fear-Boosted Hybrid Denji with spears.

20% Gun Devil was alr dealt by her controlled devils and the fiend (Aki) died to Denji before that so that can't be what I'm on about, and I more-so meant her Bang shooting him to space. Yeah... dura scaling in this verse is atrociously inconsistent as I've mentioned before in other threads

Pochita insta-gored her the moment he responded. Her carrying him doesn't mean anything since it didn't do jack anyway.

I was more considering speed scaling here and not AP, I am very well aware she gets one-shot by him lol

Food Security isn't what it used to be. We've got a food surplus actually, it's just getting it to places is the problem thanks to Political Machinations, which is more up Conquest's alley anywho.

Note that Fear of Starving isn't Fear of Famine, as Famine means poor crop/livestock yields.

While true, let's remember that the series has had devils and devil hunters for thousands of years, which would include time periods where famine was very prevalent like the Middle Ages so Famine isn't über-fodder, atleast not with everything else considered. We do need more context though and the Fear of Starving kind of aligns with Famine as it's just extreme scarcity of food

 

[DrGreyman]

When is chainsaw man set again?
I know it's before the 2000s but im not sure
cus i can think of a few large famines that would still be fresh in people's minds that would be boosting her

 

[Saqphire]

When is chainsaw man set again?
I know it's before the 2000s but im not sure
cus i can think of a few large famines that would still be fresh in people's minds that would be boosting her

Part 1 was in 97 and part 2 in 99

 

[Zabazab]

When is chainsaw man set again?
I know it's before the 2000s but im not sure
cus i can think of a few large famines that would still be fresh in people's minds that would be boosting her

1997 at the start, currently June 1999.

 

[ElajRuengies]

20% Gun Devil was alr dealt by her controlled devils and the fiend (Aki) died to Denji before that so that can't be what I'm on about, and I more-so meant her Bang shooting him to space. Yeah... dura scaling in this verse is atrociously inconsistent as I've mentioned before in other threads

Makima's "Bang" and her shooting Pochita into space is the result of her conquering 20% Gun. The Bang is explicitly called the Gun Devil's power by Yoru, and note how Makima never shows the ability until after 20% Gun is beaten. (The point off against Darkness was a different hand gesture, and she doesn't say Bang using it unlike whenever the Fingergun is used.)

While true, let's remember that the series has had devils and devil hunters for thousands of years, which would include time periods where famine was very prevalent like the Middle Ages so Famine isn't über-fodder, atleast not with everything else considered. We do need more context though and the Fear of Starving kind of aligns with Famine as it's just extreme scarcity of food

The past is the past, Fear is based on what's happening right now.

 

[DrGreyman]

Great Chinese Famine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1983–1985 famine in Ethiopia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1990s North Korean famine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1961, 1985, 1990s

all massive famines within living memory that would be boosting fami out the whazoo
hell technically there would be literal famines happening in the world as the series is happening, not just massive ones like the one in north korea but think about the repercussions of Falling, international trade breaking down as powerful devils start popping out of the woodworks, etc
you can bet japan and america aren't trading nearly as much at the least

 

[Saqphire]

Makima's "Bang" and her shooting Pochita into space is the result of her conquering 20% Gun. The Bang is explicitly called the Gun Devil's power by Yoru, and note how Makima never shows the ability until after 20% Gun is beaten. (The point off against Darkness was a different hand gesture, and she doesn't say Bang using it unlike whenever the Fingergun is used.)

So can you explain the train scene where three people get off-screened with their corpses very similarly looking like when Power got Banged? Aswell as Aging Devil somehow being able to use Bang but way differently?

The past is the past, Fear is based on what's happening right now.

Eh not really. Those events still happen and the fears/those devils spawning from those people would still exist in Hell or on Earth to this day

 

[ElajRuengies]

Great Chinese Famine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1983–1985 famine in Ethiopia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1990s North Korean famine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1961, 1985, 1990s

all massive famines within living memory that would be boosting fami out the whazoo

And yet she blatantly isn't boosted. And yet she's so bad at fighting that a student thought she was a cringy, normal girl after she threw the ones.

So can you explain the train scene where three people get off-screened with their corpses very similarly looking like when Power got Banged?

Makima can literally punch circular holes through people, she does it like 6 times against Pochita at the graveyard.

Aswell as Aging Devil somehow being able to use Bang but way differently?

Aging was mocking Yoru for attacking it with a Bang, since it explicitly wouldn't do anything against it.

Eh not really. Those events still happen and the fears/those devils spawning from those people would still exist in Hell or on Earth to this day

And yet Fami's still hilariously weak.

 

[Saqphire]

Great Chinese Famine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1983–1985 famine in Ethiopia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1990s North Korean famine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1961, 1985, 1990s

all massive famines within living memory that would be boosting fami out the whazoo

Smh I wish fear scaling had a multiplier dependent on each person cuz then we'd probably see Death being 3-A at this point given the death tolls of these famines, every other tragic event and why people fear stuff like cars and guns and such (they inherently don't want to die)

And yet she blatantly isn't boosted. And yet she's so bad at fighting that a student thought she was a cringy, normal girl after she threw the ones.

Upscales Fakesaw Man lol

 

[ElajRuengies]

Smh I wish fear scaling had a multiplier dependent on each person cuz then we'd probably see Death being 3-A at this point given the death tolls of these famines, every other tragic event and why people fear stuff like cars and guns and such (they inherently don't want to die)

Every day I thank God powerscalers don't write Chainsaw Man.

 

[Zabazab]

Nayuta embodies the fear of being controlled, being dominated, being conquered— fairly significant human fears— yet she's no stronger than a normal little girl.

 

[Saqphire]

Every day I thank God powerscalers don't write Chainsaw Man.

Oh if you only knew the ratty metas that existed for this verse thanks to Fuji's amazing writing

 

[DrGreyman]

And yet she blatantly isn't boosted. And yet she's so bad at fighting that a student thought she was a cringy, normal girl after she threw the ones.

Fakesaw Man is just HIM
turns out he is the chainsaw man devil and is actually a primal fear
made Fami into fodder because he was built different

 

[ElajRuengies]

Oh if you only knew the ratty metas that existed for this verse thanks to Fuji's amazing writing

I would rather have this entire Verse being 9-B than have to read a single chapter like the Sukuna Raid Lobby where everyone stands around and explains why they didn't do what strategy whenever because the readers need to be spoonfed information.

 

[Saqphire]

Nayuta embodies the fear of being controlled, being dominated, being conquered— fairly significant human fears— yet she's no stronger than a normal little girl.

That is true tbh, fear scaling is weird here but I feel like the vessel slowly regains their powers the longer they're alive and since Primals have never died, their vessels are powerful as a result

Fakesaw Man is just HIM
turns out he is the chainsaw man devil and is actually a primal fear
made Fami into fodder because he was built different

 

[DrGreyman]

Upscales Fakesaw Man lol

Insert that Drake meme

[Wall level fodder deletes god]

Downscale god to wall level

Upscale fodder to god tier!

 

[Saqphire]

I would rather have this entire Verse being 9-B than have to read a single chapter like the Sukuna Raid Lobby where everyone stands around and explains why they didn't do what strategy whenever because the readers need to be spoonfed information.

Fair point. I've seen metas like infinite speed Denji via Eternity Devil bro it's actually insane

 

[Epiccheev]

Fair point. I've seen metas like infinite speed Denji via Eternity Devil bro it's actually insane

Gameplay Denji vs Lore Denji

 

[DrGreyman]

Fair point. I've seen metas like infinite speed Denji via Eternity Devil bro it's actually insane

Imagine Fujimoto makes a single chapter april fools like thing where it's the events of the story from an outsider's perspective
maybe barem since he's the 'loves fights fandom' stand in

denji is a caracature of himself literally punching buildings apart untransformed, flying around at light speed and plunging into a wall of every primal fear at once as they blow up the planet with lightning bolts and a guitar solo in the background

and then it zooms out and the guy is just daydreaming

 

[Saqphire]

Imagine Fujimoto makes a single chapter april fools like thing where it's the events of the story from an outsider's perspective
maybe barem since he's the 'loves fights fandom' stand in

denji is a caracature of himself literally punching buildings apart untransformed, flying around at light speed and plunging into a wall of every primal fear at once as they blow up the planet with lightning bolts and a guitar solo in the background

and then it zooms out and the guy is just daydreaming

Add like 10 women around him and this is a realistic dream from him in Chainsaw Man

 

[Zabazab]

Outlook of the verse:
Changes that are due;

• Passing of the AP CRT (**** you Miri)
• Creation and evaluation of the speed CRT (again, **** YOU Miri)
• Asa CRT, adding her Gauntlets to her second key.
• Aging Devil profile published (Don't use [he] or [she] to refer to it! Use [they] or [it]!)

Changes that are further down the road;

• Figuring out what the hell we should do about Kiga-chan & Lady Death Devil.
• Like seriously we need a consensus. Personally I'm on team "It's your fault for checking a wiki, spoilers will be present." like we do with Makima.
• We could like, have a "Chainsaw Man Church" group just like with Public Safety, and have Death-sama listed as Kiga there, then in the Devils/Horsemen/Primal Fears group we list them correctly (tbh I don't care for the Four Horsemen getting their own group, it's already weird since there's at least 5 of them).

 

[ElajRuengies]

Insert that Drake meme

[Wall level fodder deletes god]

Downscale god to wall level

Upscale fodder to god tier!

When y'all saw Fami get pressed into the ground, I swore someone was gonna say "This means the average human schoolgirl in Chainsaw Man can withstand being Yamcha'd."

 

[DrGreyman]

Outlook of the verse:
Changes that are due;

• Passing of the AP CRT (**** you Miri)
• Creation and evaluation of the speed CRT (again, **** YOU Miri)
• Asa CRT, adding her Gauntlets to her second key.
• Aging Devil profile published (Don't use [he] or [she] to refer to it! Use [they] or [it]!)

aren't all of these in the mega crt
when can we say this has gone on long enough and ask someone to mega-ping staff so we can get this over with
i require the gauntlets on the wiki to live

• Figuring out what the hell we should do about Kiga-chan & Lady Death Devil.
• Like seriously we need a consensus. Personally I'm on team "It's your fault for checking a wiki, spoilers will be present." like we do with Makima.
• We could like, have a "Chainsaw Man Church" group just like with Public Safety, and have Death-sama listed as Kiga there, then in the Devils/Horsemen/Primal Fears group we list them correctly (tbh I don't care for the Four Horsemen getting their own group, it's already weird since there's at least 5 of them).

If they dont want to get spoiled dont read a wiki
i dont care when i get 'spoiled' for verses im not actively reading since i dont care about those verses, and i dont use characters from verses im not entirely caught up with because that would just be dumb if im missing something really obvious. either way, you shouldn't be looking at profiles unless you 100% dont care or 100% do

 

[ElajRuengies]

aren't all of these in the mega crt

Not speed, that one needs like 5 Calcs to be evaluated before we can make it. And the Profile Creation/Revisions need the new AP passed first.

when can we say this has gone on long enough and ask someone to mega-ping staff so we can get this over with
i require the gauntlets on the wiki to live

One-Two-Three Not It.

 

[DrGreyman]

One-Two-Three Not It.

how do we even do that
im still really new to the technical part of this site

 

[Zabazab]

how do we even do that
im still really new to the technical part of this site

You just message evaluating staff on their profiles but like not too much

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I just had a thought. Since all fears (theoretically) originate from a fear of death, could Death have the ability to use the powers of every Devil and Fiend?

 

[Epiccheev]

Denji hayakawa vs the world. Can he defeat Death's 7 evil exes known as primal fears? Find out in the next episode.

 

[Zabazab]

I thought the crows in Makima's fight was just her keeping a lookout with their vision as she did during the anime.

I think earlier signs of crows would be Makima's eyes (particularly in The Gun Is Mighty), but this one I feel is more likely to be Death, given the imagery of them in a cemetary and leaving when Makima's team and Pochita begin their fight.

Death notably has a photograph of Awakened Pochita early in Part 2, which supports her being present in the Conquest Devil Arc.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Fami is kinda busted ngl, like imagine matchups with reality warpers and such who can just revive after being killed, then there is still the control hax that they have to bypass first taken into account that she could control the devils she killed despite of the fact that they will be revived in hell.

Also Fami now have resurrection huh? (for reviving Yuko).

So basically now she has global range Death manip, necromancy(?), resurrection(?) for reviving Yuko now we know that she is Death Devil, I'm not sure -> (immortality type 4 negation(?) Via Necromancy(?) and maybe limited(?) immortality type 8 negation via necromancy(?) )

 

[Alexander]

ahm...which fami are you talking about?

 

[Arkenis]

So basically now she has global range Death manip, necromancy(?), resurrection(?) for reviving Yuko now we know that she is Death Devil, I'm not sure -> (immortality type 4 negation(?) Via Necromancy(?) and maybe limited(?) immortality type 8 negation via necromancy(?) )

Not negating. Just reviving.

 

[Zabazab]

The only immortality negation that I could see Lady Death getting right now is Type 3, due to having killed Falling. Type 1 is obviously not involved, Type 2 has limits which being ground up would bypass, Type 4 and 8 is only activates after death, which is also the activation requirement of Lady Death's power.

 

[Alexander]

The only immortality negation that I could see Lady Death getting right now is Type 3, due to having killed Falling. Type 1 is obviously not involved, Type 2 has limits which being ground up would bypass, Type 4 and 8 is only activates after death, which is also the activation requirement of Lady Death's power.

why type 1 is not valid?

 

[Zabazab]

why type 1 is not valid?

Type 1 is an eternal lifespan. It's useless against unnatural causes of death.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Not negating. Just reviving.

Well yeah, tbh I think just necromancy + explanations should be enough, cause I don't want her to lose simply because she doesn't have some type of immortality negation despite her necromancy bypassing all of those (especially type 4)

The only immortality negation that I could see Lady Death getting right now is Type 3, due to having killed Falling. Type 1 is obviously not involved, Type 2 has limits which being ground up would bypass, Type 4 and 8 is only activates after death, which is also the activation requirement of Lady Death's power.

Ain't type 3 is automatically bypassed thanks to Death manip? As well as Type 1 but who cares about Type 1 anyways? Same for Type 2. Type 4 and 8 isn't exactly negation, unless her necromancy is for forever (which I think it is given how long Falling has been following her), but I'm still not sure if I should say this is "negation" or something else...

 

[Arkenis]

As well as Type 1 but who cares about Type 1 anyways?

She's not negating their eternal life, just killing them.

Same for Type 2.

This is more just doing something they can't survive, not negating the actual immo. Some characters have immo2 for not dying from half their brain being destroyed but if you stab their heart then they die. Sukuna could survive without his heart, or have his heart pierced by physically pumping it himself, but if you destroy his brain he dies.

unless her necromancy is for forever (which I think it is given how long Falling has been following her),

honestly how long do we think she's had her?

 

[Arkenis]

Is the scaling for who wins looking like this? Think the only ones unknown is Aging, Darkness and Falling so those can be ignored.

 

[Alexander]

Is the scaling for who wins looking like this? Think the only ones unknown is Aging, Darkness and Falling so those can be ignored.

Pochita is in the second one, he can hurt Aging after all and Makima said that fighting against him was a "unwinnable"fight and needed to weaken him so she could have a chance

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

honestly how long do we think she's had her?

It seems like Falling has been quite a simp for Fami, so quite long I think, and it wouldn't make any sense for the strongest devil to have a time limit on her strongest ability at all, the limit seems to be that the victim could kinda control themselves still unless given a command. Again that ain't type 4 (and maybe 8) negation I think, but it is kinda a type 4 and 8 negation in some way, how do we usually deal with that?

Is the scaling for who wins looking like this? Think the only ones unknown is Aging, Darkness and Falling so those can be ignored.

Pochita would win against Makima if he just goes for the kill (which is by eating her). Yoru could win against Makima via Gun Devil and Tank, it's debatable. Darkness aura diff.