Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Reiner04]

That's kinda cases by case when comes to translations. Depends on various things.

I will leave few cents regarding translations;

As long as coming from reliable translators, we don't exactly have any precedence set btw Fan or OTLs. So it doesn't matters what's the source of translations. Depending on which one is more correct, depending on how fundamentally and closely it has been translated, any of them can be considered more reliable. For instance, translations done by our TL helpers most of the times takes precedence over OTLs.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I will leave few cents regarding translations;

As long as coming from reliable translators, we don't exactly have any precedence set btw Fan or OTLs. So it doesn't matters what's the source of translations. Depending on which one is more correct, depending on how fundamentally and closely it has been translated, any of them can be considered more reliable. For instance, translations done by our TL helpers most of the times takes precedence over OTLs.

No worries, I started relearning Japanese, I should be capable of doing translations within 5 years

 

[Lycoris4812]

Why only the cardinal world?,shouldn't every otherworld be 2A?

Apparently the timelines of those worlds aren't actualized. Thats why everyone was 2-C before.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Cardinal World has infinite alternate timelines, but there is no proof that the alternative timelines are physically exist in the dimensions Zalario destroyed, and the worlds that the True Dragons could destroy.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Cardinal World has infinite alternate timelines, but there is no proof that the alternative timelines are physically exist in the dimensions Zalario destroyed, and the worlds that the True Dragons could destroy.

Yes, but wouldn't Rimuru be 2-A at least?

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

Cardinal World has infinite alternate timelines, but there is no proof that the alternative timelines are physically exist in the dimensions Zalario destroyed, and the worlds that the True Dragons could destroy.

What bout this

(そして遂に──〝他次元並列世界〟で連動するようにして、人類が誕生した。Soshite tsuini── "Tajigen Heiretsu Sekai" de rendō suru yō ni *****, jinrui ga tanjō shita.)
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And finally, connected through the "Other-Dimensional Parallel Worlds", humanity was born.

Or this

If all these familiar-sounding pieces of trivia belonged to the same timeline,
it’d be easy to conclude that these nations and people were indeed the same as
those Velgrynd knew. But it was also common to see differing worlds that bore
startling resemblances to each other. Their origins and rules of nature were
clearly divergent enough that one couldn’t call them parallel worlds, but for
some reason, they’d share all these suspiciously similar names.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Cardinal World has infinite alternate timelines, but there is no proof that the alternative timelines are physically exist in the dimensions Zalario destroyed, and the worlds that the True Dragons could destroy.

Cough* velgrynd cough *

 

[CodeCCLL]

What bout this

These are not alternative timelines, this are other-worlds.

Or this

Alternative timelines are the result of time travel, so in a world where Velgrynd/Chloe didn't time travel, there wouldn't be any alternative timelines. So as I said

there is no proof that the alternative timelines are physically exist in the dimensions Zalario destroyed, and the worlds that the True Dragons could destroy

I'm leaving now.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

These are not alternative timelines, this are other-worlds.

Alternative timelines are the result of time travel, so in a world where Velgrynd/Chloe didn't time travel, there wouldn't be any alternative timelines. So as I said

just blatantly false as velgrynd doesn’t time travel like Chloe, she was traveling to already existing worlds. Seeing how one was kondos world and the timelines she was going to was by chasing rudra soul

I'm leaving now.

 

[Violatas]

I'm currently on volume 16 of the light novels. Fun read so far. Started back in October.

Also guys, please don't use MTL. Giving us a bad rep here smh

 

[MetaChronos]

After this mess is settled, like the speed and other stats, can we go for a cosmology upgrade. I know it’s gonna take a while but I got some pretty good points thanks to astral.

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

These are not alternative timelines, this are other

There is no such thing as parallel otherworlds

Alternative timelines are the result of time travel, so in a world where Velgrynd/Chloe didn't time travel, there wouldn't be any alternative timelines.

Velgrynd time travel is totally different from chloes so timelines cant be created with her timetravel in the same manner as chloes time,velgrynd was jumping between otherworlds not within the same otherworld

 

[CodeCCLL]

There is no such thing as parallel otherworlds

It looks like there definitely is.

Velgrynd time travel is totally different from chloes so timelines cant be created with her timetravel in the same manner as chloes time,velgrynd was jumping between otherworlds not within the same otherworld

Jumping between other worlds is not time travel, just dimensional travel. But "Cthugha" can also time travel between parallel universes inside a single other-world cuz it's a combination of both "Dimensional Leap (only dimensional travel)", and "Spacetime Manipulation".

Velgrynd can create parallel universes like Chloe, she just has to try time traveling to a timeline where parallel versions of herself exist. Also, if Rimuru hadn't time traveled in the World-line and not traveled to a time in the past where he had already been sent to the end of space-time, he would have unintentionally created parallel universes.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

It looks like there definitely is.

Jumping between other worlds is not time travel, just dimensional travel. But "Cthugha" can also time travel between parallel universes inside a single other-world cuz it's a combination of both "Dimensional Leap (only dimensional travel)", and "Spacetime Manipulation".

Velgrynd can create parallel universes like Chloe, she just has to try time traveling to a timeline where parallel versions of herself exist. Also, if Rimuru hadn't time traveled in the World-line and not traveled to a time in the past where he had already been sent to the end of space-time, he would have unintentionally created parallel universes.

This genuinely isn’t relevant. As parallel universes already exist according to MWI which is NOT limited to cardinal world. Yes velgrynd can time travel,BUT she timetravels to worlds that already exist. She was following rudra. Meaning that the many worlds and timelines she went to, where things that already existed, She literally says she doesn’t know which timeline she is in, meaning that even before she travels, they are things that exist,

 

[CodeCCLL]

This genuinely isn’t relevant. As parallel universes already exist according to MWI which is NOT limited to cardinal world

Read again the part about "parallel universes branches because the World prevents paradoxes". This is how the MWI works in the verse.

 

[MetaChronos]

@CodeCCLL
can you check how this theory of MWI works. Is it true or false.

 

[CodeCCLL]

@CodeCCLL
can you check how this theory of MWI works. Is it true or false.

What interests us about the MWI theory is how the MWI works in our verse. The real-life MWI theory has no contribution to make, other than providing an understanding of how the fictional version of the MWI works and giving people an idea about the subject.

 

[MetaChronos]

@CodeCCLL

I understand that real-life theories shouldn't be forced into fiction unless the verse actually reflects them. But that’s exactly the point of this though. The theory here isn't meant to apply real-world MWI directly, but rather to outline when it becomes relevant as a framework.

The purpose of using real-world MWI is just to define the standards for fictional verses that reference it, especially those that directly state the theory, and follows its branching mechanics and rules.

So, the real-world theory is only used as a interpretation, not as a power-scaling argument by itself. It’s not saying “because MWI exists, this verse is High 1-B,” but rather, “if a verse mirrors MWI structure, here’s how we interpret that cosmology under VSBW standards.” or something like that.

 

[MetaChronos]

I also want to add some examples of real-world equations or theories used in the tiering system.

• Low 1-C is associated with (R^5), a real coordinate space from actual mathematics.
• 1-C through High 1-B directly tie into uncountably infinite levels, again using the structure of real vector spaces.
• High 1-B is explicitly based on infinite-dimensional spaces, a term straight out of Hilbert space theory and functional analysis.

Type Theory and Axiomatic Set Theory (ZFC / Von Neumann Universe)

• Used explicitly in Low 1-A and above. These aren’t just equations; they’re entire theoretical frameworks from logic and foundations of mathematics.

Modal Logic & Possible Worlds Theory

• This is used heavily in the High 1-A tier.
• "All logically possible worlds" and "Logical space" are terms from modal realism, Kripke semantics, and Leibniz’s metaphysics.

Platonic Realism and Abstract Object Theory

• In 1-A+
• Some characters in fiction are described as existing as pure concepts or as logic itself.
• VSBW allows Platonic metaphysics (like existing as an abstract entity beyond instantiation) as a valid way to assess those cases.

There are a lot more but yeah. Real world theories are what make up every tier in vsbw or any other scaling. The MWI with hilbert space is an unexplored concept in vsbw. Firstly, MWI itself is an uncountably infinite number of dimensions, why qualifies for 1-C, which is the cycle of time, but the cosmology is only at 2-A. Low 1-C is only the bare minimum as well as shown in the theory/link i added above. Tensura explicitly stated MWI, multiverse/many universe theory. There are also evidence of hilbert space and complex and real vectors shown which count for a much higher dimensionality. It is unexplored, i wanted to see if you agreed to the theory presented or not.

 

[Reiner04]

I also want to add some examples of real-world equations or theories used in the tiering system.

• Low 1-C is associated with (R^5), a real coordinate space from actual mathematics.
• 1-C through High 1-B directly tie into uncountably infinite levels, again using the structure of real vector spaces.
• High 1-B is explicitly based on infinite-dimensional spaces, a term straight out of Hilbert space theory and functional analysis.

Type Theory and Axiomatic Set Theory (ZFC / Von Neumann Universe)

• Used explicitly in Low 1-A and above. These aren’t just equations; they’re entire theoretical frameworks from logic and foundations of mathematics.

Modal Logic & Possible Worlds Theory

• This is used heavily in the High 1-A tier.
• "All logically possible worlds" and "Logical space" are terms from modal realism, Kripke semantics, and Leibniz’s metaphysics.

Platonic Realism and Abstract Object Theory

• In 1-A+
• Some characters in fiction are described as existing as pure concepts or as logic itself.
• VSBW allows Platonic metaphysics (like existing as an abstract entity beyond instantiation) as a valid way to assess those cases.

There are a lot more but yeah. Real world theories are what make up every tier in vsbw or any other scaling. The MWI with hilbert space is an unexplored concept in vsbw. Firstly, MWI itself is an uncountably infinite number of dimensions, why qualifies for 1-C, which is the cycle of time, but the cosmology is only at 2-A. Low 1-C is only the bare minimum as well as shown in the theory/link i added above. Tensura explicitly stated MWI, multiverse/many universe theory. There are also evidence of hilbert space and complex and real vectors shown which count for a much higher dimensionality. It is unexplored, i wanted to see if you agreed to the theory presented or not.

I agree.

 

[CodeCCLL]

because MWI exists, this verse is High 1-B,” but rather, “if a verse mirrors MWI structure, here’s how we interpret that cosmology under VSBW standards.” or something like that.

It basically depends on how much of it you're mirror, if a verse says it splits for every quantum moment or each moment in the timeline branches to another timeline it's simply Low 1-C. Otherwise it's varies from 2-C to 2-A depending on the amount of branching. Hilbert Space is not something I know much about. Just, I have a superficial knowledge of the "Destiny" version.

 

[Violatas]

Between Slime reader and the official TL, which would y'all say is the better translation for the light novel?

 

[CodeCCLL]

Tensura explicitly stated MWI, multiverse/many universe theory. There are also evidence of hilbert space and complex and real vectors shown which count for a much higher dimensionality. It is unexplored, i wanted to see if you agreed to the theory presented or not.

If it were truly enough, rest assured, we would have upgrade long ago.

 

[MetaChronos]

If it were truly enough, rest assured, we would have upgrade long ago.

The only problem was MWI was unexplored in VSBW in totality. There was only one thread which concluded for 2A, which is lower than the least possible value for MWi as it clearly states uncountably infinite which is 1C as per the tiering system. I'll ask the details about MWI from the person who did the theory and get them ready for a thread later. For now, i'm not going to push this topic until that thread is accepted.

 

[CodeCCLL]

The only problem was MWI was unexplored in VSBW in totality

No, there are a lot of verses that have MWI.

There was only one thread which concluded for 2A, which is lower than the least possible value for MWi as it clearly states uncountably infinite which is 1C as per the tiering system

I'll say it one last time, MWI could even be just 2-C.

 

[MetaChronos]

No, there are a lot of verses that have MWI.

I'll say it one last time, MWI could even be just 2-C.

As I said before. Quantum MWI with hilbert spaces scales higher. Everett stated that the amount of universes/worlds would be non-denumerably infinite. This is just another way of saying uncountably infinite, which would be Low 1-C. This was in the theory as well.

Hilbert space itself was never explored in VSBW. Few know it, even lesser use it. There is also quantum states, wavefunctions and way too many other mathematical processes that I know of. As I said before, i will ask the person who created this theory and get a valid explanation for why this is correct and not false. Then i will raise a question thread if this can get accepted. If it is accepted, nice. If it's not. I'll leave it. But this is an important theory, so i want everyone to understand it clearly. Hilbert space has complex vectors, space and dimensions, orthogonal spaces and many other subcategories. There is also the string theory.

Sorry for the yap session, but MWI itself scales just like you said. But when combined with the other theories, its dimensions scale up to high 1B. I will get all the theories straight and create a thread. Right now, it may feel incomplete but please wait for the finished product. It will help upgrade tensura cosmology as most of the theories are directly related to its statements.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

As I said before. Quantum MWI with hilbert spaces scales higher. Everett stated that the amount of universes/worlds would be non-denumerably infinite. This is just another way of saying uncountably infinite, which would be Low 1-C. This was in the theory as well.

Hilbert space itself was never explored in VSBW. Few know it, even lesser use it. There is also quantum states, wavefunctions and way too many other mathematical processes that I know of. As I said before, i will ask the person who created this theory and get a valid explanation for why this is correct and not false. Then i will raise a question thread if this can get accepted. If it is accepted, nice. If it's not. I'll leave it. But this is an important theory, so i want everyone to understand it clearly. Hilbert space has complex vectors, space and dimensions, orthogonal spaces and many other subcategories. There is also the string theory.

Sorry for the yap session, but MWI itself scales just like you said. But when combined with the other theories, its dimensions scale up to high 1B. I will get all the theories straight and create a thread. Right now, it may feel incomplete but please wait for the finished product. It will help upgrade tensura cosmology as most of the theories are directly related to its statements.

We were going for 1-A worlds so high 1-B wasn’t relevant. Tho astral made a scale if you want to check it out

 

[MetaChronos]

We were going for 1-A worlds so high 1-B wasn’t relevant. Tho astral made a scale if you want to check it out

I'm taking the help of astral's scaling indeed. To say the truth, astral's cosmology scaling is the only one i'm using. I'm connecting them using math and physics theories to prove how they can be scaled higher.
The high 1-B scaling would only come from the cycle of time if the MWI and so on is accepted. If the cycle of time is that high, then the spiritual world which transcends all concepts of the physical world is higher possibly into 1-A. but that's a topic for a later me.
One step at a time and right now cycle of time, the best i can argue for is high 1-B

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

I agree.

Blud did NOT read all that

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Read again the part about "parallel universes branches because the World prevents paradoxes". This is how the MWI works in the verse.

Volume 11 already said they were branching constantly

Hinata saying it wasn't the case was simply an appeal to emotions while the "it's correct" is not reliable since rimuru has been wrong many times and he never travelled timelines himself

But Velgrynd did travel to em, so her statements prove that mwi exists.

There are only two theories, either there are many timelines branching, or there is only one timeline regardless of conditions.

Since there are parallel worlds, we conclude the first theory is correct

 

[MetaChronos]

There are only two theories, either there are many timelines branching, or there is only one timeline regardless of conditions.

Since there are parallel worlds, we conclude the first theory is correct

I mean isn't it stated directly that timelines branch constantly. In slime reader it says something on the lines of 'it branches at the same time', or something like that. So a single timelines theory is not correct anyways from that one statement.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Volume 11 already said they were branching constantly

The constant branching event only occurs throughout Chloe's time loop.
At this point, I'm tired of answering. If you claim otherwise, make a CRT.

 

[PrimeHydra64]

Between Slime reader and the official TL, which would y'all say is the better translation for the light novel?

Slime Reader is much better. However, the localisation that is the OTL is great portraying characters to western audiences without you having to know Japanese pop-culture and mannerisms.

 

[Violatas]

Slime Reader is much better. However, the localisation that is the OTL is great portraying characters to western audiences without you having to know Japanese pop-culture and mannerisms.

Alright. Up to volume 15 I've been reading the official TL. I'll probs switch over to Slime Reader for now to see how it is in comparison.

As an aside, I've been told off site some abilities for the LN characters are a lil off, like Milim having EE (which...yeah the scan used for it is very hyperbolic lol. Doesn't help the anime version portrays it as some big boom explosion )

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

The constant branching event only occurs throughout Chloe's time loop.
At this point, I'm tired of answering. If you claim otherwise, make a CRT.

there's no reason to assume it happens to only a single world since as in the theory, the branching itself was independent of chloe's time travel.

So bringing chloe's time travel here is saying it only branches when chloe time travels, which is, again, just wrong. As we clearly see when velgrynd travels


Chloe's ability is to simply time travel to other pre-existing timelines, not cause new ones to branch

that would be akin to saying "She travels to the same timeline she existed in before and the previous timeline branched off as a new one"

And that is impossible, considering the very act of entering a timeline where you already exist is impossible. Velgrynd couldn't do it either

even with her God series Ultimate level skill

so no reason to assume chloe with her unique level one can do so either

also, she can't do something like "travel to a time that's a bit before when she first travelled so she didn't exist at that point there"

Just no. Chloe herself said that her time travel was fixed. She can only travel a very specific amount of time to the past of another timeline. She can't go a bit less or more into the past
so there's no scenario like Doraemon here where Nobita meets his time travelling self by going more back into the past

 

[MetaChronos]

Chloe's ability is to simply time travel to other pre-existing timelines, not cause new ones to branch

that would be akin to saying "She travels to the same timeline she existed in before and the previous timeline branched off as a new one"

It is possible. She travelled infinite amount of times. Infinite amount of times could mean something like she travelled to a past where she didn’t exist yet which caused another branch. But branching does occur even without her interference. It’s based on daily life, doing this vs that in daily life, each act you do causes a different timeline. There was a theory about the is I’ll send that name later.

And that is impossible, considering the very act of entering a timeline where you already exist is impossible. Velgrynd couldn't do it either

It is possible because of this. It is also stated that with enough power you can shove the paradoxes aside.

even with her God series Ultimate level skill

so no reason to assume chloe with her unique level one can do so either

Probably not true. Chloe could do this before because of the mask scan.

also, she can't do something like "travel to a time that's a bit before when she first travelled so she didn't exist at that point there"

Again. Infinite times could mean she travelled to the past where she didn’t exist yet, causing another branch where she did exist in that moment.

Just no. Chloe herself said that her time travel was fixed. She can only travel a very specific amount of time to the past of another timeline. She can't go a bit less or more into the pas
so there's no scenario like Doraemon here where Nobita meets his time travelling self by going more back into the past

True but just going a little bit into the past still implies an infinite amount of timelines. Each timeline is constantly branching. In slime reader they say it branches at the same time. It is connected to that time theory I was talking about. And since Chloe travelled an infinite times, this theory is supported.

 

[Reiner04]

@CodeCCLL
Want to rollback Astral's edited MTL stuff or should I do it? you wont get to complain if I did tho.
 Post in thread 'All-purpose request thread (New forum)' https://vsbattles.com/threads/all-purpose-request-thread-new-forum.107534/post-7052644

 

[CodeCCLL]

Want to rollback Astral's edited MTL stuff or should I do it?

Can I ask how you would do this on your own (without nuking the everything) without knowing the verse? Leave it to me, I'll be busy for the next few hours but then I will start this process. If you can, just ask the staff if the profiles can be unlocked for all the currently locked Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken category pages.

 

[Reiner04]

Can I ask how you would do this on your own (without nuking the everything) without knowing the verse?

Welp. By going the long way

Leave it to me, I'll be busy for the next few hours but then I will start this process. If you can, just ask the staff if the profiles can be unlocked for all the currently locked Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken category pages.

 

[Reiner04]

If you can, just ask the staff if the profiles can be unlocked for all the currently locked Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken category pages.

@TWILIGHT-OP
Get to work baby.