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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

LIGHTYW said:
Im talking about gojo, it was stated that gojo needed 2 black flashes to fully recovers his RCT output back, and i mentioned the wrong chapter, is chap 258, Sorry
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When is it stated to be a "full" recovery
LIGHTYW said:
Thats why he doesnt show a considerable difference at chap 233, because he only had landed 1 at that moment
But, post all black flashes, you can easily see the difference between gojo before and post.. as i already said
At chap 234, gojo got tagged even by maho and would get tagged even by agito if wasnt for infinity coming back in timing ( both are obviously slower than sukuna )
But at chap 235, which is when he fully recovers his RCT output, his overall output gets amped too, he moves so fast that sukuna barely reacts to him, when one chap earlier, he was able to tag and harm/stun gojo easily
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This still does not connect to your premise. How does Gojo being much faster than this version of Sukuna mean CT Kashimo is faster than Gojo when he got physically overwhelmed by Sukuna and a heavily injured version of Sukuna could react to him at times?
Sir_Marvulous said:
Kashimo's place in that narrative is going unchallenged throughout his natural lifetime. Meanwhile, Ryu himself never had a fight that pushed him to the limit. There's nothing that specifically compares the two. And if anything, Ryu being stated by the narrator to have highest output is a plus in his favor. There's nuances to this that you're ignoring
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Ryu actually stated that he fought worthy opponents and found love. Meanwhile, Kashimo was so strong that all his opponents were as brittle as the dirt beneath his feet and he couldn't find love because of his solitude from unrivalled strength. Kashimo rejecting Ryu in favor of Sukuna is just the cherry on top. Ik that these statements aren't objective proof and there are holes you can poke in it, but given that being the strongest and loneliness are consistently tied, and Kashimo/Ryu are contrasted in this respect while being from the same era, I think the narrative portrayal is pretty clear
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Do you guys think Shibuya Mahito can beat Three Fingers Sukuna? If so, the version of him before or after he gets his Black Flash boost?
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Even though 3 fingers Sukuna has way less output than his other versions, his refinement and knowledge on sorcery would allow him to completely shred Mahito.

Also, y'all probably will disagree with me on this, but I don't believe anyone in the verse can beat 3 fingers Sukuna in a 1v1, apart from a very select few. There's no reason to believe that his RCT (he almost instantly regenerated his arm agaisnt the finger bearer) and Domain refinement would be any worse from his lack of fingers, so he would simply Domain Expansion and kill most people in a 1v1.
 
MonarchInYellow said:
Even though 3 fingers Sukuna has way less output than his other versions, his refinement and knowledge on sorcery would allow him to completely shred Mahito.

Also, y'all probably will disagree with me on this, but I don't believe anyone in the verse can beat 3 fingers Sukuna in a 1v1, apart from a very select few. There's no reason to believe that his RCT (he almost instantly regenerated his arm agaisnt the finger bearer) and Domain refinement would be any worse from his lack of fingers, so he would simply Domain Expansion and kill most people in a 1v1.
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Wdym "select few"
 
MonarchInYellow said:
Even though 3 fingers Sukuna has way less output than his other versions, his refinement and knowledge on sorcery would allow him to completely shred Mahito.

Also, y'all probably will disagree with me on this, but I don't believe anyone in the verse can beat 3 fingers Sukuna in a 1v1, apart from a very select few. There's no reason to believe that his RCT (he almost instantly regenerated his arm agaisnt the finger bearer) and Domain refinement would be any worse from his lack of fingers, so he would simply Domain Expansion and kill most people in a 1v1.
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Besides the Mahito stuff, I think him being weaker means his domain would be weaker as well making more than a few capable of surviving in his domain.
 
Arkenis said:
Besides the Mahito stuff, I think him being weaker means his domain would be weaker as well making more than a few capable of surviving in his domain.
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Yeah. The thing is, the majority of people wouldn't be able to consistently fight as they get constantly sliced up. Even if the output is way lower, I really think the constant damage would make up for it. He still would still have Furnace too, so I really believe, even though he would be A LOTweaker, he is still able to eventually kill almost everyone in a 1v1.
 
Hmm, I'll never personally back the idea that 4F Sukuna is one of the toughest in the verse. To be near undefeatable at that level just creates a strange dissonance when you're looking at our other top tiers.

It's a little easy to dismiss someone like Mahito because he's still an early story character, but saying this Sukuna is stronger than the likes of Yuki, Kenjaku, hell Ryu doesn't make sense given the power of these characters and their narrative placement. Sukuna being near the strongest at 4F implies there's not a significant difference in power at 20.
 
Arkenis said:
Small cuts really don't matter, anyone higher than your Nanamis or Naobito should be able to handle it.
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I don't think his Cleave and Dismantle would be simply "small cuts", since we saw what he could do even with 3 fingers. Even if he can't one shot them, it's not like he instantly loses his knowledge on sorcery. Like, he would always win domain clashes, since refinement is the deciding factor (which would, of course, put his opponent in a situation where he has no CT to fight back, albeit momentarily); he has a way better RCT than the whole cast apart from Gojo and Hakari; his knowledge on sorcery and binding vows would give him lots of ways to cheat his way out a 1v1, etc...

Once again, I'm purely talking about a 1v1. No time to prepare, no time to plan anything, just straight to fighting. Sukuna would, of course, lose if they made any strategy to finish him off.

However, like I said, I understood that y'all woudn't agree with me on that. It's just how I view the character and the universe. I also don't believe a lot of people would be able to beat teen Gojo in a 1v1 without some sort of advantage (like Toji's plan to weaken and take him off guard), so I REALLY don't think you guys will agree with me on a bunch of things lol
 
MonarchInYellow said:
I don't think his Cleave and Dismantle would be simply "small cuts", since we saw what he could do even with 3 fingers. Even if he can't one shot them, it's not like he instantly loses his knowledge on sorcery. Like, he would always win domain clashes, since refinement is the deciding factor (which would, of course, put his opponent in a situation where he has no CT to fight back, albeit momentarily); he has a way better RCT than the whole cast apart from Gojo and Hakari; his knowledge on sorcery and binding vows would give him lots of ways to cheat his way out a 1v1, etc...
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Cleave and Dismantle would be weaker since less ce. He didn't do anything impressive in 3f. He can have refinement and still get beat till his domain falls. And I don't agree with this rct thing, if he has less ce to convert to pos energy to then he has less viability to keep rcting.

MonarchInYellow said:
However, like I said, I understood that y'all woudn't agree with me on that. It's just how I view the character and the universe. I also don't believe a lot of people would be able to beat teen Gojo in a 1v1 without some sort of advantage (like Toji's plan to weaken and take him off guard), so I REALLY don't think you guys will agree with me on a bunch of things lol
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Anyone with a good domain or anti domain techs and good output should beat him.
 
Duedate8898 said:
Hmm, I'll never personally back the idea that 4F Sukuna is one of the toughest in the verse. To be near undefeatable at that level just creates a strange dissonance when you're looking at our other top tiers.

It's a little easy to dismiss someone like Mahito because he's still an early story character, but saying this Sukuna is stronger than the likes of Yuki, Kenjaku, hell Ryu doesn't make sense given the power of these characters and their narrative placement. Sukuna being near the strongest at 4F implies there's not a significant difference in power at 20.
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Oh, I absolutely agree with you. Although I didn't make a list myself (I just agreed to that example), I didn't mean that Sukuna could only be defeated by 4 or 5 characters. It's just that, I really believe Sukuna's sheer experience and knowledge on sorcery would be able to let him get away with his lower output in most cases. Like, when he faced Ryu, he was able to casually kill him with one single attack. That wasn't even a fight, yk? But think about a situation where Sukuna doesn't have the power to instantly kill Ryu, but still has all of his base arsenal. Are you sure he would lose that 1v1? Personally, I find it kinda hard to imagine. He knows how to chant, how to use binding vows, he still has his knowledge on sorcery, has his RCT, etc.

If he got weak enough that someone else could be his "Gojo" (someone he can't instantly kill inside of his domain, someone who can survive his attacks and that has enough damage to put him down), do you guys believe he would for sure lose? Personally, I don't. He was severely weakened (at some points) in the last fight, but he still found ways to get a W until they finally managed to put him down in a teamwork. That's why, PERSONALLY, I don't think, even if he WAS weaker than his opponent, that he would FOR SURE lose. We saw him spam Binding Vows in the last fight whenever his output was too low for him to be able to kill someone.

But I can 100% understand why someone would disagree. I'm not saying I'm right, It's just my personal belief about the series, and I'm okay with anyone who disagrees.
 
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"MBA bro"
 
Arkenis said:
Being closer doesn't make it easier to dodge, it makes it harder. He didn't heal the arm btw its still got the cut Yuta did, saying the chants has never been an issue even against Gojo. Sukuna's anywhere from supersonic to hypersonic, not sure how pointing takes time.
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He had to heal his arm to point, otherwise, it wouldnt be a WCS, before the WCS you can see yuta cutting both sukuna lower arms, but after that, when maki stabs sukuna, we can see the lower right arm healed, because he had to point it, you can even see in the panel of sukuna hands pointing looking the exactly same when maki stabs him( like blurred or something like that ).................

and saying the chants does matter, as at that point, yuta had total knowledge that those chants were exactly for WCS, while kashimo didnt................
It would take almost no time, but, sukuna was literally 1 meter away from yuta at that moment, so... had to heal his arm+say the chants+ point at yuta to only then fire it, all that while being held by rika and getting his body Control and output lowered and while yuta had domain amps.......
 
DarkRuler234 said:
Cry as much as you want nobody will believe that Kashimo is Top 3, because he is not and never will be.
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Bro, crying? Im not crying... Yall are the ones who are biaseds and delusionals, and mba kasHIMo IS top 3, oneshots and speedblitzes everyone whos not named gojo and sukuna..... 🐐
As i Said already, yall will see that im right when gege confirms what im sayin on the Q&A.....
 
LIGHTYW said:
He had to heal his arm to point, otherwise, it wouldnt be a WCS, before the WCS you can see yuta cutting both sukuna lower arms, but after that, when maki stabs sukuna, we can see the lower right arm healed, because he had to point it, you can even see in the panel of sukuna hands pointing looking the exactly same when maki stabs him( like blurred or something like that ).................
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He used the upper arm. He got his arm freed from Rika is all that happened.

LIGHTYW said:
say the chants+ point at yuta to only then fire it, all that while being held by rika and getting his body Control and output lowered and while yuta had domain amps.......
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u got it gang
 
MinatoSparkle said:
When is it stated to be a "full" recovery

This still does not connect to your premise. How does Gojo being much faster than this version of Sukuna mean CT Kashimo is faster than Gojo when he got physically overwhelmed by Sukuna and a heavily injured version of Sukuna could react to him at times?

Ryu actually stated that he fought worthy opponents and found love. Meanwhile, Kashimo was so strong that all his opponents were as brittle as the dirt beneath his feet and he couldn't find love because of his solitude from unrivalled strength. Kashimo rejecting Ryu in favor of Sukuna is just the cherry on top. Ik that these statements aren't objective proof and there are holes you can poke in it, but given that being the strongest and loneliness are consistently tied, and Kashimo/Ryu are contrasted in this respect while being from the same era, I think the narrative portrayal is pretty clear
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Brotha, because sukuna was holding back, you dont get it?
 
LIGHTYW said:
Bro, crying? Im not crying... Yall are the ones who are biaseds and delusionals, and mba kasHIMo IS top 3, oneshots and speedblitzes everyone whos not named gojo and sukuna..... 🐐
As i Said already, yall will see that im right when gege confirms what im sayin on the Q&A.....
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Yeah, yeah and the sky is brown, and the sun is cold.

MBA has no feats on True Body Sukuna, he literally got folded by that Sukuna, and as much as I don't like it, the only character he has gone all-out was Maki and she got bodied, everyone else was just an appetizer per the narrator.
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Yuta would've forced a fresh Sukuna to stop playing around btw
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I don't think he would have stopped playing around.

A Sukuna who is not playing around would to the same thing he did to Yuji but this time with everyone, grab them and use Cleave, even in his initial fight with Yuta there was nothing stopping him from doing that.

I just think that the story made it clear that no-one scale to a serious/not playing around Sukuna, he just in a tier above everyone.
 
DarkRuler234 said:
I don't think he would have stopped playing around.

A Sukuna who is not playing around would to the same thing he did to Yuji but this time with everyone, grab them and use Cleave, even in his initial fight with Yuta there was nothing stopping him from doing that.

I just think that the story made it clear that no-one scale to a serious/not playing around Sukuna, he just in a tier above everyone.
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The point of what Higuruma's saying is that Sukuna was having fun playing around with his talents, but if someone like Yuta was there and was assisting in the Executioner Blade plan, Sukuna would've been in danger and would've had to kill Higuruma to ensure he doesn't get one shot by Yuta helping Higuruma land that
 
MinatoSparkle said:
The point of what Higuruma's saying is that Sukuna was having fun playing around with his talents, but if someone like Yuta was there and was assisting in the Executioner Blade plan, Sukuna would've been in danger and would've had to kill Higuruma to ensure he doesn't get one shot by Yuta helping Higuruma land that
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I don't think Sukuna would be threatened at all, and would be more like "Look a shiny new toy to play with it, now I don't need this one (proceeds to kill Higuruma without Yuta being able to do anything about it.)"
 
DarkRuler234 said:
I don't think Sukuna would be threatened at all, and would be more like "Look a shiny new toy to play with it, now I don't need this one (proceeds to kill Higuruma without Yuta being able to do anything about it.)"
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I don't see why he'd do that, Higuruma is a Gojo level talent, that's something just as interesting, and Sukuna acknowledged Higuruma by name which he didn't with Yuta until he stole Gojo's body. Sukuna also didn't kill a lot of people when some other "shiny new toy" came.
 
MinatoSparkle said:
I don't see why he'd do that, Higuruma is a Gojo level talent, that's something just as interesting, and Sukuna acknowledged Higuruma by name which he didn't with Yuta until he stole Gojo's body. Sukuna also didn't kill a lot of people when some other "shiny new toy" came.
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I don't think he cared about that, because he believed he killed Higuruma, Higuruma only survived through sheer luck, Sukuna doesn't mind killing Gojo level talents.

When he fought Maki he already believed he killed Yuta, when he faced Kusakabe he believed he already put Maki out of commission, when he started to get interested on Miguel Yuji and other showed up, and after that he proceeded to get nailed by 7/8 Black Flashs from Yuji that pretty much obliterated his output to the point his only win conditions were Domain Expansion or WCS.

So yeah, I believe Sukuna would still Higuruma with no issue even with Yuta there.
 
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