Ainz vs Reinhard

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

so he has used it on 5 instances out of every battle he has been in, got it

The sentence "When engaged in a proper fight Ainz will start with his Time Stop spell" is pretty explicit. Therefore he will start with time stop in this match. Also, WoG literally said that if you want to fight Ainz, time-stop counter measures are "absolutely required" to even have a chance of equal footing.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

"Oh Ainz won't teleport farther away!"

All right so where is Ainz's retreat spots? that he doesn't have by SBA?

Well give me a low end, a mid end and a high end

 

[DaReaperMan]

he doesnt have prior knowledge here my guy, read the OP

You're a halfwit.

Ainz rarely goes into a fight with 0 knowledge of his opponent. Hence, he's rarely under SBA mindset, and when he is he only started with an instant death spell once, the rest he either Time Stopped and it didn't work, it was PA so not Ainz, or Time Stop works and he christmas trees the opponent with spells.

Well give me a low end, a mid end and a high end

The ******* moon, The Exosphere, and The ******* moon.

Ainz has literally nowhere else to go because this isn't his earth so Japan isn't on that list.

 

[DaReaperMan]

i thought re zero skill would be good enough to prevent time stop or something
nvm then

That's City of Heroes.

 

[DaReaperMan]

where happened to the reinhard precognition intuition or whatever arguments idk

Doesn't really work well on Ainz because He's both a haxlord and a paranoid cautious mofo.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

You're a halfwit.

Ainz rarely goes into a fight with 0 knowledge of his opponent. Hence, he's rarely under SBA mindset, and when he is he only started with an instant death spell once, the rest he either Time Stopped and it didn't work, it was PA so not Ainz, or Time Stop works and he christmas trees the opponent with spells.

He can only do 2-3 spells so there is a very high likelihood of him doing smth Reinhard resists and that gives Reinhard enough of a chance

“During Time Stop, you can’t attack directly. But spells that are cast during Time Stop can be delayed to activate the moment it ends. However, only a few spells can be cast during that duration—two or three at most, depending on their complexity.”
— Overlord LN Volume 10, Chapter 1

The ******* moon, The Exosphere, and The ******* moon.

In Vol 13 Ch 5, he teleports 1 km into the air because that’s the farthest he can safely go via line of sight:

“Under normal circumstances, he would not have been able to teleport to an unknown destination, but it would be alright as long as it was within line of sight… one kilometer above the ground…” – Vol 13

He has never teleported to the moon or the exosphere

Ainz has literally nowhere else to go because this isn't his earth so Japan isn't on that list.

true

 

[DaReaperMan]

He can only do 2-3 spells so there is a very high likelihood of him doing smth Reinhard resists and that gives Reinhard enough of a chance

Except of course that one time he made a christmas tree of spells to test resistances... twice.

Not the first time ol' Ainz has lied to get ahead... Also Ainz loves his Instant Death spells, literally his entire build is built around them. Even if he could only cast two, one of those two is going to be an instant death spell.

In Vol 13 Ch 5, he teleports 1 km into the air because that’s the farthest he can safely go via line of sight:

He has the moon cause this is earth and he knows where his spells can and cannot go.

He has never teleported to the moon or the exosphere

He however has planetary range teleportation, and he knows what the surface of the moon looks like. He's full-stop retreating from an unknown, even back in Volume ONE he was going to grab Enri and her little sister and run back through the portal to Nazarick if his spell didn't work. He doesn't have a Nazarick by SBA, so he's running as far as he can. Wish didn't work to dispell Shalltear's MC, so he took Albedo and ran to Nazarick via Teleportation, to give a second example.

Ainz runs to where is safe. Safe here means the moon, because this is earth, not the New World.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Except of course that one time he made a christmas tree of spells to test resistances... twice.

The famous multi-spell testing was done outside of Time Stop when Ainz had time to prep or stall (eg. against Shalltear). That approach can’t be done during Time Stop due to action limits.
Ainz cannot “Christmas tree” spells during Time Stop. He explicitly says:

“Only a few spells can be cast during that duration—two or three at most.”
– Overlord Vol 10, Ch 1

This hard limits his options. If even one spell fails to work, Reinhard resurrects via Low-Godly, and Time Stop ends.

Not the first time ol' Ainz has lied to get ahead... Also Ainz loves his Instant Death spells, literally his entire build is built around them. Even if he could only cast two, one of those two is going to be an instant death spell.

Yes, Ainz tends to lead with death spells, and Reinhard does not resist layered instant death.
But Ainz has no anti-Low-Godly hax in this context, so Reinhard resurrects instantly

So Ainz needs to kill him again after the Time Stop ends which he can’t safely do once Reinhard is active.

He has the moon cause this is earth and he knows where his spells can and cannot go.

He however has planetary range teleportation, and he knows what the surface of the moon looks like. He's full-stop retreating from an unknown, even back in Volume ONE he was going to grab Enri and her little sister and run back through the portal to Nazarick if his spell didn't work. He doesn't have a Nazarick by SBA, so he's running as far as he can. Wish didn't work to dispell Shalltear's MC, so he took Albedo and ran to Nazarick via Teleportation, to give a second example.

Ainz’s farthest shown teleport is:

“Teleported one kilometer above the ground… within line of sight.”
– Vol 13, Ch 5

He has never teleported to the moon, the exosphere, or even out of atmosphere.
Knowing what the moon is doesn’t grant coordinates or spatial knowledge. He’s never even mentioned off-world teleportation as a possibility.

Ainz runs to where is safe. Safe here means the moon, because this is earth, not the New World.

Ainz runs when overwhelmed, yes. But he only runs to Nazarick or prepared areas. Under SBA, he has no pre-marked escape, no Nazarick, no friendly zone. He's stranded in an unfamiliar world.
Teleporting to the moon here is pure headcanon. No feat, scan, or logic supports that leap.

 

[DaReaperMan]

The famous multi-spell testing was done outside of Time Stop when Ainz had time to prep or stall (eg. against Shalltear). That approach can’t be done during Time Stop due to action limits.
Ainz cannot “Christmas tree” spells during Time Stop. He explicitly says:

Man would be a real shame if in canon Ainz has christmas tree'd during a timestop huh--

Oops. Scan comes from Overlord; The Evil Sealed Tree.

Maybe do proper research on the character you're trying to argue on shit like this, yeah? I didn't pull "Christmas trees with spells" out of my ass, he literally does that.

Reinhard resurrects via Low-Godly, and Time Stop ends.

Prove Reinhard's resurrection is instant AND that he gives no warning after resurrecting consistently.

Ainz’s farthest shown teleport is:

He has never teleported to the moon, the exosphere, or even out of atmosphere.
Knowing what the moon is doesn’t grant coordinates or spatial knowledge. He’s never even mentioned off-world teleportation as a possibility.

Ainz runs when overwhelmed, yes. But he only runs to Nazarick or prepared areas. Under SBA, he has no pre-marked escape, no Nazarick, no friendly zone. He's stranded in an unfamiliar world.
Teleporting to the moon here is pure headcanon. No feat, scan, or logic supports that leap.

We done, Satella? Make a CRT or concede.

 

[StormAcci]

Yeah, I don't believe anything about this match changed from last time. Ainz outhaxes, and it's pretty much GGs.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Man would be a real shame if in canon Ainz has christmas tree'd during a timestop huh--

Oops. Scan comes from Overlord; The Evil Sealed Tree.

The claim that Ainz can layer a “Christmas tree” of spells during Time Stop originates from The Evil Sealed Tree, a Drama CD that is not accepted as full canon. The Light Novel is the primary source used by VS Battles Wiki. It was also not written by Maru.
sending this for the 3rd time:

“Only a few spells could be cast during that duration—two or three at most.”
— LN Canon (Vol 10, Ch 1)

This limit has never been contradicted by the main novels. Unless a CRT is issued to upgrade Drama CD material to full canon, Ainz remains limited to 2–3 spells during Time Stop.

Maybe do proper research on the character you're trying to argue on shit like this, yeah? I didn't pull "Christmas trees with spells" out of my ass, he literally does that.

the “Christmas Tree in Time Stop” claim contradicts LN canon.

Prove Reinhard's resurrection is instant AND that he gives no warning after resurrecting consistently.

The burden lies on the party asserting that Reinhard can be taken advantage of during resurrection. Reinhard possesses Low-Godly resurrection through blessings, which are passive in nature. In Arc 5, Chapter 74, he is killed by Regulus and immediately revives and retaliates without delay. There is no canonical evidence supporting any exploitable gap post-resurrection.

We done, Satella? Make a CRT or concede.

Gate may theoretically allow planetary distance to places he’s seen, but there’s no feat of teleporting to the moon, exosphere, or anywhere off-world. Ainz has never teleported off-planet, never prepped the moon, and never referenced using Gate that way.

Here’s the actual only shown instance of Ainz using max-range teleport:

“He teleported 1 kilometer above the battlefield—this was the maximum range he could safely go while maintaining line of sight.” — Overlord Vol 13, Ch.5

This makes the “he’d teleport to the moon” argument complete headcanon. Especially under SBA where Nazarick doesn’t exist, and there’s no prior prep. Ainz only flees to safe zones he controls, like Nazarick. No feat, quote, or implication suggests he’d pick a celestial body he’s never tested.

 

[BoastJr]

But Ainz has no anti-Low-Godly hax in this context, so Reinhard resurrects instantly

Depends on how you see True Death Working. Demiurge can apparently damage the soul via Hellfire which is enough to kill but resurrection spells can allow the user to comeback from it. Therefore True Death negates that since it stops all low tier resurrection spells which would involve Soul Manip on some level

Doesn't Reinhard like have some God Tier Intuition ?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Depends on how you see True Death Working. Demiurge can apparently damage the soul via Hellfire which is enough to kill but resurrection spells can allow the user to comeback from it. Therefore True Death negates that since it stops all low tier resurrection spells which would involve Soul Manip on some level

Reinhard has multi layered soul destruction resistance, so that aint enough, also his is type 8 immortality which Ainz doesnt cover

Doesn't Reinhard like have some God Tier Intuition ?

He does, if Ainz gives him even a single frame to do anything he will instantly pull out his nuke

 

[BoastJr]

Reinhard has multi layered soul destruction resistance, so that aint enough, also his is type 8 immortality which Ainz doesnt cover

I don't think soul destruction or type 8 really matters since its more like Ainz is preventing Reinhard's body (soul) from healing

It doesn't really stop other forms of Low Godly where like the user creates a new physical body from scratch since thats already beyond the paygrade of Overlord's Resurrection spells iirc (since the corpse needs to intact to resurrect or otherwise it turns into an undead)

He does, if Ainz gives him even a single frame to do anything he will instantly pull out his nuke

Well can't reinhard just gain resistance to stuff if needed or choose where he can respawn ?

 

[DIRVANR]

The claim that Ainz can layer a “Christmas tree” of spells during Time Stop originates from The Evil Sealed Tree, a Drama CD that is not accepted as full canon. The Light Novel is the primary source used by VS Battles Wiki. It was also not written by Maru.

https://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/170524/blogkey/678437/ According to maruyama on his blog, he wrote the drama CD vol 4, and it's canon.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

https://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/170524/blogkey/678437/ According to maruyama on his blog, he wrote the drama CD vol 4, and it's canon.

Fair. The Drama CD is canon, and Ainz does use Triplet Magic and Delay Magic during Time Stop, letting him prep three spells to fire at once.


But that’s not a full "Christmas Tree" — it’s three spells, not dozens. So while he can stack a few, it's still a far cry from overwhelming Reinhard through sheer volume.

 

[Nonynho]

The few spells that doesn't let him recover at all from the first death, even if he lives again he won't be able to do shit against Ainz cuz he'll just get him to stay put or die again..?
Also, what's impeding Ainz to like stop time again if this one's over?
Also, what can be done when Ainz spawns his soul-eaters?
Also, no answer to layered madness manip stacked to do multiple sh** in one spell, including him wanting to leave asap whenever he lives instead of attacking?
Also no answer to RW if you can invent some excuse/explanation for him to live, cuz if this guy somehow keeps coming back and all, Ainz can ultimately just wish him out of existence (which is above of Od Laguna's grade to answer to)
Oh and Od Laguna may have an answer to death manip or immo Negation...but not both together, specially when death manip is layered.
Even better, if Ainz turns him into an Undead, under his control and absorb his soul with the soul eaters?

notice that all I said was 1, at max 2 spells
and neither of us are as intelligent or as paranoid as Momonga, while Od Laguna has NOTHING against layered stuff...cuz we don't know her Potency (and she doesn't have a profile), meaning it's arguable that presuming he'll resurrect from like Grasp Heart is a literal NLF just from starters and we can't know how many combinations of magic can Ainz test or which ones will he go to...and we connected the dots to 3 spells at once, even furthering the combo possibilities

Satella, its starting to be not only annoying, but ugly and sad to see this, mate
S T O P T H I S I N S I S T E N C E
Move on man, so many battles to have, so many other haxlords to compete with Reinhard, so many other people from Re:Zero to get matchups to/from and CRTs to do on the verse, man!
You don't even have to take the L or something because it was already taken
J U S T L E T G O O F I T, P L E A S E

 

[DaReaperMan]

And before it is said: yes, you are getting grumpy Reaper, stop making this match. The day Reinhard can actually deal with Ainz's layer, Time Stop, or getting spawncamped, you may remove the match. Until then this will end the exact same copy/paste way

The claim that Ainz can layer a “Christmas tree” of spells during Time Stop originates from The Evil Sealed Tree, a Drama CD that is not accepted as full canon. The Light Novel is the primary source used by VS Battles Wiki. It was also not written by Maru.
sending this for the 3rd time:

This limit has never been contradicted by the main novels. Unless a CRT is issued to upgrade Drama CD material to full canon, Ainz remains limited to 2–3 spells during Time Stop.

the “Christmas Tree in Time Stop” claim contradicts LN canon.

Maruyama wrote it, as... a one post member said. With a source. I see someone going far, honestly, and it's the guy who knows the low-post skepticism and decides to back claims immediately.

The burden lies on the party asserting that Reinhard can be taken advantage of during resurrection. Reinhard possesses Low-Godly resurrection through blessings, which are passive in nature. In Arc 5, Chapter 74, he is killed by Regulus and immediately revives and retaliates without delay. There is no canonical evidence supporting any exploitable gap post-resurrection.

Okay, in active combat he just comes back, but onto another argument...

I don't think soul destruction or type 8 really matters since its more like Ainz is preventing Reinhard's body (soul) from healing

It doesn't really stop other forms of Low Godly where like the user creates a new physical body from scratch since thats already beyond the paygrade of Overlord's Resurrection spells iirc (since the corpse needs to intact to resurrect or otherwise it turns into an undead)

Overlord's low-tier resurrection spells are mid-godly rated, the reason I've always been doubtful about True Death working(even though it would almost assuredly be in the christmas tree) is that it's NEVER dealt with type 8, only type 4. To a mid-godly degree, yes, but flip a coin on this point.

Gate may theoretically allow planetary distance to places he’s seen, but there’s no feat of teleporting to the moon, exosphere, or anywhere off-world. Ainz has never teleported off-planet, never prepped the moon, and never referenced using Gate that way.

Here’s the actual only shown instance of Ainz using max-range teleport:

This makes the “he’d teleport to the moon” argument complete headcanon. Especially under SBA where Nazarick doesn’t exist, and there’s no prior prep. Ainz only flees to safe zones he controls, like Nazarick. No feat, quote, or implication suggests he’d pick a celestial body he’s never tested.

Which is the max range he's done to remain in-combat. He's teleported farther, remember Shalltear? If you spook Ainz, he's leaving. Greater Teleportation lets the caster teleport to anywhere they've ever seen before... such as when PA teleported from the Re-Estez capital to Nazarick with the spell. In this case, Ainz has seen the surface of the moon before, so gabagool.

Anyways, Ainz FRA... and **** me there's some OOC shit right above me

Also, no answer to layered madness manip stacked to do multiple sh** in one spell, including him wanting to leave asap whenever he lives instead of attacking?

Madness Aura IV is OOC.

Also no answer to RW if you can invent some excuse/explanation for him to live, cuz if this guy somehow keeps coming back and all, Ainz can ultimately just wish him out of existence (which is above of Od Laguna's grade to answer to)

Allow me to go on this tangent once again... Not only is Wish Upon a Star out of character, not only does it take approximately 10 years to cast, but Ainz has to say his wish OUT LOUD with a ******* HUGE magic circle glowing around him like a sign attached to his right shoulder piece reading: "Free ass kicking".

Oh, and we don't know what WOAS can even do. It can purify shit, and it can steal it. That's all we know for certain.

Oh and Od Laguna may have an answer to death manip or immo Negation...but not both together, specially when death manip is layered.
Even better, if Ainz turns him into an Undead, under his control and absorb his soul with the soul eaters?

Reinhard doesnt stay dead long enough for Ainz to raise him.

 

[Nonynho]

Fortunately I pointed out that I'm not as intelligent as Momonga, sorry for the parts I got wrong but my main points still stand

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

The few spells that doesn't let him recover at all from the first death, even if he lives again he won't be able to do shit against Ainz cuz he'll just get him to stay put or die again..?

Reinhard has automatic, instant resurrection through the Divine Protection of the Phoenix. There’s no delay or vulnerability window after reviving. He wont stand still

Also, what's impeding Ainz to like stop time again if this one's over?

Ainz is explicitly rate-limited from casting 10th-tier spells consecutively, including Time Stop. As stated in Overlord Volume 10, Epilogue:

“...one could not cast the highest tier of spells in rapid succession.”

This YGGDRASIL mechanic still applies in the New World and is consistently portrayed.

Also, what can be done when Ainz spawns his soul-eaters?

Reinhard resists soul absoption from Satella

Also, no answer to layered madness manip stacked to do multiple sh** in one spell,

idk which spell are you talking about but he does have layered Madness manip resistance from the witches, with Satella's being layered

including him wanting to leave asap whenever he lives instead of attacking?

Again your point isnt clear, but by SBA he cant go farther than 1km

Also no answer to RW if you can invent some excuse/explanation for him to live, cuz if this guy somehow keeps coming back and all, Ainz can ultimately just wish him out of existence (which is above of Od Laguna's grade to answer to)

RW would never land, and Dareaperman already said everything that needed to be said about WUAS

Oh and Od Laguna may have an answer to death manip or immo Negation...but not both together, specially when death manip is layered.
Even better, if Ainz turns him into an Undead, under his control and absorb his soul with the soul eaters?

okay..?

notice that all I said was 1, at max 2 spells
and neither of us are as intelligent or as paranoid as Momonga, while Od Laguna has NOTHING against layered stuff...cuz we don't know her Potency (and she doesn't have a profile), meaning it's arguable that presuming he'll resurrect from like Grasp Heart is a literal NLF just from starters and we can't know how many combinations of magic can Ainz test or which ones will he go to...and we connected the dots to 3 spells at once, even furthering the combo possibilities

Several blessings are already layered, and again Ainz cant spam Time stop and he hasnt done so in canon

Satella, its starting to be not only annoying, but ugly and sad to see this, mate
S T O P T H I S I N S I S T E N C E
Move on man, so many battles to have, so many other haxlords to compete with Reinhard, so many other people from Re:Zero to get matchups to/from and CRTs to do on the verse, man!
You don't even have to take the L or something because it was already taken
J U S T L E T G O O F I T, P L E A S E

I was put on this earth to be your personalized headache

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Overlord's low-tier resurrection spells are mid-godly rated, the reason I've always been doubtful about True Death working(even though it would almost assuredly be in the christmas tree) is that it's NEVER dealt with type 8, only type 4. To a mid-godly degree, yes, but flip a coin on this point.

In ReZero Soul=Mind, so you probably need both to damage it (dont quote me on this tho i could be wrong here)
Anyways, Reinhard has multiple layers of Soul manipulation resistance so i think he will be fine either way

Which is the max range he's done to remain in-combat. He's teleported farther, remember Shalltear? If you spook Ainz, he's leaving. Greater Teleportation lets the caster teleport to anywhere they've ever seen before... such as when PA teleported from the Re-Estez capital to Nazarick with the spell.

This is true, I cant say for sure how likely it for AInz to be spooked by a human but either way there’s no feat or statement of Ainz ever teleporting off-world. He’s only ever used teleportation to reach safe zones like Nazarick, not untested places. Seeing the moon ≠ prepping it as a destination. Under SBA, where Nazarick doesn’t exist, this is headcanon. No gear, prep, or proof supports off-planet teleportation.

In this case, Ainz has seen the surface of the moon before, so gabagool.

And has never stated to actually have that as a viable teleport escape route

 

[DaReaperMan]

In ReZero Soul=Mind, so you probably need both to damage it (dont quote me on this tho i could be wrong here)

Thank God Mind=Soul in Overlord too, huh?

Anyways, Reinhard has multiple layers of Soul manipulation resistance so i think he will be fine either way

And no Soul absorption resistance, so unironically Ainz throwing summons works because Soul Eaters vore his soul lol

But that isn't really in the cards since Ainz can't summon ******* from the moon

This is true, I cant say for sure how likely it for AInz to be spooked by a human but either way there’s no feat or statement of Ainz ever teleporting off-world. He’s only ever used teleportation to reach safe zones like Nazarick, not untested places. Seeing the moon ≠ prepping it as a destination. Under SBA, where Nazarick doesn’t exist, this is headcanon. No gear, prep, or proof supports off-planet telepoStella.

I don't think you read his justification for Planetary Range, Satella.

"Greater Teleportation allows one to teleport anywhere they've seen before."

And has never stated to actually have that as a viable teleport escape route

I have a question, Satella. Is The New World earth?

 

[DIRVANR]

Ainz is explicitly rate-limited from casting 10th-tier spells consecutively, including Time Stop. As stated in Overlord Volume 10, Epilogue:



This YGGDRASIL mechanic still applies in the New World and is consistently portrayed.

Ainz can consecutively cast 10-tier spells even 6x times rapidly
and i can't find this line in vol 10 epilogue in yenpess/fan-translation version “...one could not cast the highest tier of spells in rapid succession.”

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Thank God Mind=Soul in Overlord too, huh?

And no Soul absorption resistance, so unironically Ainz throwing summons works because Soul Eaters vore his soul lol

I will address this again since you are so adamant on bringing it up, Satella has:

• Deconstruction & Absorption (Matter, Mind, & Soul; Anything her shadows swallow dissolve like an object in water, contaminating their very concept with shadow. Within her shadow, everything is dissolved, being broken down into concepts, and blended with everything else she has swallowed. People who are swallowed are erased by means of becoming part of a single heterogeneous whole)

She will also get concept on this too on her new profile so no, absorption isnt gonna work

But that isn't really in the cards since Ainz can't summon ******* from the moon

His summons are pretty useless tbh and just gives Reinhard enough time to attack

I don't think you read his justification for Planetary Range, Satella.

"Greater Teleportation allows one to teleport anywhere they've seen before."

Greater Teleportation lets the user teleport to places they've seen, but there’s no evidence Ainz has ever teleported off-world or used the moon as a teleport destination. Seeing something once doesn’t mean it’s a viable escape route, especially when he’s never tested it or referenced it.
All shown uses of teleportation from Ainz involve familiar or prepared locations like Nazarick. Under SBA, where Nazarick doesn’t exist, assuming he’d teleport to the moon (a place he’s never tested or established as a safe zone) is headcanon.
Planetary range on his profile reflects the maximum possible range based on the spell’s mechanics, not actual combat behavior or feats. There’s no proof Ainz treats the moon as a valid location mid-combat.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I will address this again since you are so adamant on bringing it up, Satella has:

She will also get concept on this too on her new profile so no, absorption isnt gonna work

Not on Reinhard's profile, try again.

Yes, if you insist on using outdated profiles by your own admission I will beat you over the head with it lol

His summons are pretty useless tbh and just gives Reinhard enough time to attack

Quite a few of them have auras, so yeh.

Greater Teleportation lets the user teleport to places they've seen, but there’s no evidence Ainz has ever teleported off-world or used the moon as a teleport destination. Seeing something once doesn’t mean it’s a viable escape route, especially when he’s never tested it or referenced it.
All shown uses of teleportation from Ainz involve familiar or prepared locations like Nazarick. Under SBA, where Nazarick doesn’t exist, assuming he’d teleport to the moon (a place he’s never tested or established as a safe zone) is headcanon.
Planetary range on his profile reflects the maximum possible range based on the spell’s mechanics, not actual combat behavior or feats. There’s no proof Ainz treats the moon as a valid location mid-combat.

You didn't answer my question, so I'll answer it for you. No, the New World is not Earth.

Ainz has never had the moon as a teleport destination because he's never been to the New World's moon or seen an image of the surface of it. Because this is a medieval setting.

By Standard Battle Assumptions, we're in New York, aka, Earth, AKA, everyone is going to have seen an image of the moon's surface before. So, Satella, it would be on YOU to prove Ainz cannot, with this spell that has planetary range and let's him teleport anywhere he's seen before, teleport to the moon.

To bash it into your thick head: The New World is not Earth, so your entire point falls apart because you would first need to prove the moon is 1 to 1 to prove Ainz can't teleport to Earth's moon by SBA.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

aren't greater teleportation specifically says he must have been in said place before to teleport there. rather than just seeing

So at best he would just teleport somewhere in Japan of earth

but the matter of the fact is. does it consider the users past life and not the initial character avatar?

 

[DaReaperMan]

aren't greater teleportation specifically says he must have been in said place before to teleport there. rather than just seeing

So at best he would just teleport somewhere in Japan of earth

I'm pretty sure that's Official TLs

Let's just say, I don't trust the Overlord Offical Translations because they've literally swapped names of characters for entire volumes before.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Not on Reinhard's profile, try again.

Yes, if you insist on using outdated profiles by your own admission I will beat you over the head with it lol

did you just decide not to read the profile?

• Deconstruction & Absorption (Matter, Mind, & Soul; His Divine Protection of Darkness Nullification nullifies 80% of Yin Magic, thus resists this ability from Satella)

Quite a few of them have auras, so yeh.

he resists basically every form of aura atp plus he negative diffs all of them

You didn't answer my question, so I'll answer it for you. No, the New World is not Earth.

Ainz has never had the moon as a teleport destination because he's never been to the New World's moon or seen an image of the surface of it. Because this is a medieval setting.

By Standard Battle Assumptions, we're in New York, aka, Earth, AKA, everyone is going to have seen an image of the moon's surface before. So, Satella, it would be on YOU to prove Ainz cannot, with this spell that has planetary range and let's him teleport anywhere he's seen before, teleport to the moon.

To bash it into your thick head: The New World is not Earth, so your entire point falls apart because you would first need to prove the moon is 1 to 1 to prove Ainz can't teleport to Earth's moon by SBA.

Ainz has planetary teleportation range, but range =/= practical application. GT and Gate require either direct visual confirmation or prior presence, and there’s zero evidence across all LNs, CDs, or side material that he can or would teleport to a celestial body like the moon. He’s never teleported off-world, never referenced doing so, and has only used TP for secured or familiar locations like Nazarick or previously scouted areas.


SBA placing them on Earth doesn’t change how his spells function. SBA doesn’t auto-grant knowledge or familiarity he doesn’t canonically possess. “He’s seen the moon” doesn’t equate to usable coordinates so there’s no precedent for Ainz teleporting anywhere solely based on vague visuals.


Even if he could, OOC-wise it’s completely inconsistent. Ainz is extremely cautious and paranoid and he only flees to safe, controlled environments. Teleporting into deep space or an unscouted celestial body with no intel or prep is wildly out-of-character and directly contradicts his established behavior. So the “he’d just go to the moon” argument isn’t supported in canon, mechanically or behaviorally.

 

[MasterOwOgay]

Before I begin, Reinhard also has passive powernull, so wouldn’t that nullify Ainz's magic too?


Now,
Ainz will likely start with Time Stop; if he doesn’t, he gets nuked almost immediately. In Time Stop, he’ll probably go for a death spell (very likely), and maybe throw in another one or two for good measure. Reinhard probably dies if he doesn’t resist that specific death hax, but if he does, he just nukes Ainz in that brief moment. Even if Reinhard does die, he revives and comes back swinging while Ainz can’t really do much. Ainz might try to run away by teleporting, but he’s still limited to just 1 km above ground.


Leaning towards Reinhard rn.

 

[DaReaperMan]

did you just decide not to read the profile?

I don't know, did you decide to not reference things thus making me question the claim at best? it's not even immunity by what's claimed on the profile lol

Ainz has planetary teleportation range, but range =/= practical application. GT and Gate require either direct visual confirmation or prior presence, and there’s zero evidence across all LNs, CDs, or side material that he can or would teleport to a celestial body like the moon. He’s never teleported off-world, never referenced doing so, and has only used TP for secured or familiar locations like Nazarick or previously scouted areas.

SBA placing them on Earth doesn’t change how his spells function. SBA doesn’t auto-grant knowledge or familiarity he doesn’t canonically possess. “He’s seen the moon” doesn’t equate to usable coordinates so there’s no precedent for Ainz teleporting anywhere solely based on vague visuals.

You've already proved yourself to get things wrong on Ainz, Satella. But sure, sure, he's definitely only teleported to secured or familiar areas... like that one time he used a portal to appear in front of unknowns... twice. ooh! ooh! or that time he flew up high enough into the sky to properly see the stars and didn't want any guards for the trip!

Even if he could, OOC-wise it’s completely inconsistent. Ainz is extremely cautious and paranoid and he only flees to safe, controlled environments. Teleporting into deep space or an unscouted celestial body with no intel or prep is wildly out-of-character and directly contradicts his established behavior. So the “he’d just go to the moon” argument isn’t supported in canon, mechanically or behaviorally.

An unscouted celestial body with no known life on it whatsoever, making it a perfect staging ground to watch from afar.

Point is, and always will be, that until Reinhard properly resists either Ainz's Time Stop or Death Manipulation, he ain't winning this match unless they're at neck-breathing distance. When he does properly resist either, remove it.

At the end of the day, you're the one reigniting this argument here over everyone but you not wanting to debate this shitty match born of tears and copium.

So basically, Reinhard also has passive powernull [btw wouldn’t that nullify Ainz's magic too?]

they start 4 kilometers away. It ain't helping shit lol

Ainz will likely start with Time Stop; if he doesn’t, he gets nuked almost immediately.

He almost always does and specifically uses a stun-death manipulation when he doesn't know if the opponent resists his other shit or not. He also likes True Death, which... see below.

In Time Stop, he’ll probably go for a death spell (very likely) and maybe throw in another one or two for good measure.

yes

Reinhard probably dies if he doesn’t resist that specific death hax, but if he does,

he can't. Ainz not only has resistance negation on all of his death hax(For some reason beyond Cthulhu) but he also has the Staff... which does outright give him a layer of Death Hax, meaning there isn't a chance in hell Reinhard's resisting even Death. And True Death is also a question mark, though considering the layer it may permanently put Reinhard down.

he just nukes Ainz in that brief moment. Even if Reinhard does die, he revives and comes back swinging while Ainz can’t really do much. Ainz might try to run away by teleporting, but he’s still limited to just 1 km above ground.

except of course the many, many times that 1 KM rule has been disproven and is likely only for when Ainz wants to remain in combat and isn't running from an unknown.

 

[MasterOwOgay]

Point is, and always will be, that until Reinhard properly resists either Ainz's Time Stop or Death Manipulation, he ain't winning this match unless they're at neck-breathing distance. When he does properly resist either, remove it.

Assuming resistance is required to win is an oversimplification that limits the analysis to a single outcome and overlooks other potential win conditions. Please refrain from doing so again.

they start 4 kilometers away. It ain't helping shit lol

At the end of the day, the only area that needs to be affected is the space around Reinhard, right? There doesn’t seem to be anything preventing his passive power null from functioning, and I don’t see why it wouldn’t apply, especially when power null is treated similarly to ability negation where layering isn’t even relevant.

except of course the many, many times that 1 KM rule has been disproven and is likely only for when Ainz wants to remain in combat and isn't running from an unknown.

Quoting the SBA:
State of Mind: Characters are considered "in character, but will attempt to win the battle." This means they employ their usual strategies and behaviors, including inherent flaws like being casual or underestimating opponents. Importantly, they are assumed not to give up voluntarily; for instance, a character who typically avoids combat won't simply leave the battle or befriend their opponent. However, this doesn't prevent a character from being compelled to surrender through means such as mind control, fear inducement, psychological manipulation, or superhuman charisma.

I think this actually prevents Ainz from running away entirely

 

[DaReaperMan]

Assuming resistance is required to win is an oversimplification that limits the analysis to a single outcome and overlooks other potential win conditions. Please refrain from doing so again.

Yeah like Reinhard killing millions of people and becoming a war criminal, or Ainz hitting him with True Death which may actually negate his resurrection because it handles type 4 immortality to a degree that works on Reinhard...

At the end of the day, the only area that needs to be affected is the space around Reinhard, right? There doesn’t seem to be anything preventing his passive power null from functioning, and I don’t see why it wouldn’t apply, especially when power null is treated similarly to ability negation where layering isn’t even relevant.

Not really? You need specific proof of power nulling Death Manipulation and Time Stop... also Ainz resists power nullification in the first place, and I don't see a layer on Reinhard's profile.

I think this actually prevents Ainz from running away entirely

he's leaving to observe, if he was actually gone, he'd just lose lol

Question also is how willing is Reinhard to deal with collateral? Cause Central Park has people in it, and plenty of them, so does New York as a whole.

 

[CosmoDark38]

Ainz has better win cons to me, voting him.

 

[Harith0cell]

Voting Ainz via DaReaperMan reasoning

 

[Nonynho]

Question also is how willing is Reinhard to deal with collateral? Cause Central Park has people in it, and plenty of them, so does New York as a whole.

Something I'd like to clarify: Ainz retains some of the knowledge of Suzuki Satoru, doesn't he?
So couldn't he achieve WAY many possibilities by combining his magic and some stuff of the real world that Reinhard doesn't know (mainly teleportation, but other stuff ig?) or am I wrong here?

 

[Nonynho]

Also casting my vote for Momonga, FRA

 

[DaReaperMan]

Something I'd like to clarify: Ainz retains some of the knowledge of Suzuki Satoru, doesn't he?
So couldn't he achieve WAY many possibilities by combining his magic and some stuff of the real world that Reinhard doesn't know (mainly teleportation, but other stuff ig?) or am I wrong here?

Problem is Ainz lived in what's essentially a dystopian hellhole. It's why he can't just teleport to Japan, there's far too much difference between the Japan when he lived in it and today.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Question also is how willing is Reinhard to deal with collateral? Cause Central Park has people in it, and plenty of them, so does New York as a whole.

Does't SBA make them fight in a place that don't have people in it?

Outside Influence: None. No characters of either verse, aside from those participating in the battle, may influence the outcome of the battle in any way.

Like, usually this is how all matches are.

Edit: Trought, I guess they not in their respective worlds right now, so this rule should't be in effect?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Does't SBA make them fight in a place that don't have people in it?

Like, usually this is how all matches are.

Edit: Trought, I guess they not in their respective worlds right now, so this rule should't be in effect?

You see, it says "No characters of either verse", there's still people and shit strewn about, just none from either verse.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I don't know, did you decide to not reference things thus making me question the claim at best? it's not even immunity by what's claimed on the profile lol

You could’ve at least read the profile before dismissing the claim. Don’t try to pin your own lack of thoroughness on me just because you didn’t bother to check.

You've already proved yourself to get things wrong on Ainz, Satella. But sure, sure, he's definitely only teleported to secured or familiar areas... like that one time he used a portal to appear in front of unknowns... twice. ooh! ooh! or that time he flew up high enough into the sky to properly see the stars and didn't want any guards for the trip!

An unscouted celestial body with no known life on it whatsoever, making it a perfect staging ground to watch from afar.

You're misrepresenting my points while appealing to isolated exceptions instead of consistent behavior. Let’s break this down clearly.
The consistent pattern of Ainz’s teleportation is to safe, familiar, or prepared zones. In rare cases where he appears in front of unknowns, it’s with backup (e.g. Albedo), active scanning, or defensive contingencies ready and not blind jumps into potentially hostile, uninhabitable environments like the moon. Those edge cases don’t override his established caution and prep-heavy nature. Claiming he'd go to an unbreathable vacuum just because it's unscouted is a stretch and OOC

Yeah like Reinhard killing millions of people and becoming a war criminal,

Good thing arc 9 showed that Reinhard is maniacal enough to do anything to save the world and is psychopathic enough to kill his own grandmother in cold blood after being constantly raised being told that he is the reason his family is torn in arc 5.

Not really? You need specific proof of power nulling Death Manipulation and Time Stop

Both exist in re zero actually so it IS very much possible

also Ainz resists power nullification in the first place, and I don't see a layer on Reinhard's profile.

Scan please and exactly what kind of power null he resisted, the one on his profile isnt even remotely close as Reinhard's powernull affects magic after they have been spawned and deconstruct everything back to their primal form

he's leaving to observe, if he was actually gone, he'd just lose lol

If Ainz disengages from combat entirely and doesn’t re-enter, yes, by SBA rules, it would be a loss via incapacitation. So unless he can attack while removed from the battlefield, fleeing doesn’t help him win.

Question also is how willing is Reinhard to deal with collateral? Cause Central Park has people in it, and plenty of them, so does New York as a whole.

He is the type to believe in the greater cause
Although tbf he has enough accuracy to just not miss


Anyways, Ainz time stops + spell spams, the spells either dont work or Reinhard gets back up and finishes him off in between the time stop cooldown is what currently happens