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In this thread I'll propose some small addition to refine scaling and wording on profiles coming from Novels and Databooks.
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And that's all, I'll list every option for agreeing and disagreeing in case, so you guys can be specific.
Agree: @Ednaxel2, @Hayato5652 @Nullflowerblush @Sir_Marvulous (first), @TheGodOfICE777 @XXBenShapiroXx @Enryu_The_Red_Tower @AwkguyDB @LephyrTheRevanchist @DarkDragonMedeus @UchihaSlayer96
Disagree: @Sir_Marvulous (broly ssj)
Stated by Piccolo to be equal, if not superior, to SSJ Broly. The scan is very clear, though I can see some people might nitpick it—for example, by suggesting Piccolo is sensing a power beyond Gogeta’s base form. But that’s not how power-ups work in Dragon Ball. For example, when Trunks appeared, no one realised his base was hiding power because of SSJ. The fact that Piccolo "knows" it for Gogeta isn't that relevant, because Piccolo is sensing ki and comparing it to Broly—he can't sense a power-up Ki until it actually happens.
What Piccolo is conceding is clearly that Base Gogeta is on par with SSJ Broly. This is actually consistent, because Base Gogeta could easily dodge, outspeed, and deflect Broly's SSJ KI blasts. The size and intensity of ki is relative to the user's speed and power/size of Ki. Gogeta only transforms afterward to handle him more easily, since Broly keeps getting stronger and adapting—this is why Broly starts keeping up with Gogeta’s SSJ after a while.
What Piccolo is conceding is clearly that Base Gogeta is on par with SSJ Broly. This is actually consistent, because Base Gogeta could easily dodge, outspeed, and deflect Broly's SSJ KI blasts. The size and intensity of ki is relative to the user's speed and power/size of Ki. Gogeta only transforms afterward to handle him more easily, since Broly keeps getting stronger and adapting—this is why Broly starts keeping up with Gogeta’s SSJ after a while.
This might be more controversial, but we should keep in mind that Broly keeps getting stronger as an SSJ, so capping his power at a mere initial x50 is a clear lowball since his base went from base level to Blue. Instead, we should use statements for scaling. The clash between Broly SSJ and Gogeta SSJ is verbatim stated as:
かつてないパワーのぶつかりあいだ
= "It is a clash of never-before-seen power."
This refers to the moment where their clash broke through the dimensional barrier, and given the clear cut statement, it should be scaled above any previous clashes. This would place both Gogeta SSJ and Broly SSJ above Jiren and MUI Goku during the Tournament of Power, since it is stated to surpass any previous clash.
Broly is also stated to be the most powerful in History.
かつてないパワーのぶつかりあいだ
= "It is a clash of never-before-seen power."
This refers to the moment where their clash broke through the dimensional barrier, and given the clear cut statement, it should be scaled above any previous clashes. This would place both Gogeta SSJ and Broly SSJ above Jiren and MUI Goku during the Tournament of Power, since it is stated to surpass any previous clash.
Broly is also stated to be the most powerful in History.
Here it's stated that fusion is specifically 最強最後の切り札, the strongest trump card. This means fusion is considered Goku’s strongest ace, and should be superior to individual transformations like MUI. This was already somewhat obvious, considering how Gogeta Blue toyed so easily with Broly—whom Goku admitted could be stronger than Beerus. This as well works for Vegito.
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This is more of a clarification/addition of what's written on profiles. What I often see on character profiles is DBZ Vegito being placed higher due to the "Potara is more effective" statement. But not only is “effectiveness” a subjective metric (especially since the fusion duration was different and favour Potara), it also doesn’t directly compare Gogeta and Vegito in terms of power.
Instead, I would rely more on the official guidebook from the DBZ era that directly compares the two. It states that their powers are likely equal, but that Gogeta would have the upper hand in short bursts, while Vegito would be stronger in longer fights—suggesting a kind of relativity in their strengths in a death battle depending on the situation.
This interpretation also matches what was recently stated again—describing them as equally matched cards, reinforcing the idea that there is strong authorial intent to portray them as relative, both in DBZ and in DBS.
Instead, I would rely more on the official guidebook from the DBZ era that directly compares the two. It states that their powers are likely equal, but that Gogeta would have the upper hand in short bursts, while Vegito would be stronger in longer fights—suggesting a kind of relativity in their strengths in a death battle depending on the situation.
This interpretation also matches what was recently stated again—describing them as equally matched cards, reinforcing the idea that there is strong authorial intent to portray them as relative, both in DBZ and in DBS.
And that's all, I'll list every option for agreeing and disagreeing in case, so you guys can be specific.
Agree: @Ednaxel2, @Hayato5652 @Nullflowerblush @Sir_Marvulous (first), @TheGodOfICE777 @XXBenShapiroXx @Enryu_The_Red_Tower @AwkguyDB @LephyrTheRevanchist @DarkDragonMedeus @UchihaSlayer96
Disagree: @Sir_Marvulous (broly ssj)
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