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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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Oh, I thought that was the value Twin Impact scaled to.
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Base Izuku scales to that. As his body is stronger than Monoma, who isn't capable of wielding OFA like he is.
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Lol, true.
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I’ve always been baffled by Deku’s claim on this, because Monoma at the time of the Joint Training definitely had a more honed body than beginning of series Deku. Twin Impact offers no physical enhancement to your body, so the fact he was doing literally all of what he did on just his own raw stats should make this the case.
Like, I don’t think he’d be able to manifest beyond a 5-10% Full Cowling, if he succeeded in copying the Quirk as it was rather than its raw nature, but Deku claiming Monoma just couldn’t at ALL feels like an insane stretch. Especially since we’re even shown multiple times that Monoma has a brain rivaling the top of 1-A, even catching onto Ochako’s trick at the SF before Midoriya, Bakugou, or the Pros did.
Implying that Monoma saw what Deku’s Quirk does to Deku’s own body and just…didn’t have a plan, apparently? Which, y’know, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The only part of that scene that makes logical sense (beyond Monoma’s limit) to me is the fact Monoma seemed to pull off a Full Cowling (his whole body glowed rather than just his fist), even if it’s rather meaningless due to the Quirk being a dud.
That’s just me, though.
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His entire body glowing is an anime only thing.
No one knows how Izuku's Quirk work. Monoma is aware Izuku's body breaks when using its full power, but that's about it. He's stupid enough to try using a power he has no idea how it works. Especially when he's seen the damage it does to Izuku when not controlled right.
It's simple arrogance.
Monoma is noted as being one the physically weakest students in the entire school. Around Aoyama and Mineta's level if I had to guess.
Nothing suggest what you're claiming. Monoma is not more honed than Izuku, you're just pulling it up out of nothing.
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I don't know what the surprise is, BoS Deku underwent a harsh 9-month training with the greatest hero of all time, his body was already impressive even before he entered U.A. school.
Monoma's physical stats in the Ultra Books are also among the absolute lowest.
Monoma's physical stats in the Ultra Books are also among the absolute lowest.
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It happens in the Manga too, you can see his head and hair sharing the OFA glow his hand has.
I’m not denying Monoma has a warped perception, in fact I think it’s more than accurate to say he does. Nor do I think he knows how OFA works, exactly. But I think a character who is repeatedly demonstrated to be smart and aware, as well as having experience in multiple Quirks, absolutely wouldn’t Copy without greater thought on how to apply that power. (Which we see him do—He achieves what at least appears to be Full Cowling).
I’m not saying he’s more honed than Izuku. Not even the Izuku of that moment, or Kamino Ward, or Overhaul’s Arc. I’m saying he’s more honed than Izuku whose only contribution to his physical abilities was the Dagobah Beach training. I mean, we literally scale Monoma to at least 3 times beneath Deku due to the fact Twin Impact literally multiples the force of an impact “several times.” As in, he’s not hundreds of times weaker than 8% Deku. Not even a dozen times weaker. Which would absolutely put him above Quirkless Post-Training Deku.
He also reacted to 8% Deku’s Blackwhip, which couldn’t be possible if he was beneath beginning of series (Base) Deku physically. Hell, Deku’s physical abilities ranked beneath TOORU’S and her ONLY ABILITY is being invisible. If we’re attributing Monoma’s stats to being in that tier, it logically follows that he’d have the physical fortitude to do a minor percentage like two percent or something. Not just instantaneous death.
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I think your under a misconception. No one said Monoma would drop dead if he used 2%.
It's said his limbs would tear off is he used 100%. Something that doesn't happen even if Izuku uses 100%, meaning Base Izuku is superior to Monoma.
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BoS Base Deku considers himself to be only slightly weaker than his 5% self... which isn't hundreds of times weaker than his 8%.
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Unintentional quote synch up, lmao
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All Might and the Visionary of Light [Toshinori Yagi vs Ryoh Grantz]
RULES Speed is equalized All Might is in his prime [2.54 Exatons], higher with Plus Ultra Ryoh has his Summons casted [786 Petatons], Higher with Hyperion Thirds: Genesis Crysis [7.86 Exatons] Fight takes place in the Unforseen Situation Joint FIGHTERS Ryoh Grantz "Now that I've arrived...
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I don’t know why you’re disagreeing because I literally agreed with that in my first post.
Obviously Monoma couldn’t use 100% without dying. Nor do I think Monoma > Base Deku (within that arc). But Deku explicitly states Monoma using the Quirk at all would’ve killed him (ala All Might’s explanation from the first few chapters, which was about just trying to use the Quirk at all leading to his limbs exploding off).
That’s an insane stretch on Deku’s part. Monoma’s feats put him a head and shoulders beyond post-beach/first few chapters Deku, he successfully pulled off a Full Cowling type of use, and he has an emphasized to be cunning brain. I think if it wasn’t a dud, he could’ve easily pulled off a 2% Cowling and survived.
That is my stance. Specifically.
Not that he’d upstage Deku within that arc. Or is better than Deku physically within that arc. Or could use as much as Deku, or even 100%. Just specifically Post-Beach Deku.
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Because Monoma doesn't know how to control OFA. Izuku was worried he'd use 100% and lose his limbs. All Might was also talking about 100% of OFA. Because it's almost impossible for someone to control OFA without using 100% first. All Might was a special exception, his body was super strong and he has incredibly talent to control OFA.
Your entire reasoning here makes no sense. I have no idea what you're trying to say and what's been bothering you so much that you had to reply to my first comment.
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Doom, they both use percentages to boot
Doom (Mashle: Magic and Muscles)
Doom is the eldest son of Innocent Zero, and the strongest member of the Devil's Quintuplets. Tier: 6-A with 30%, High 6-A with <50%, higher with 50% - 100%, far higher with Maximum Output, 5-C with Freyja, Goddess of Bounty Name: Doom Origin: Mashle: Magic and Muscles Gender: Male Age: 30...
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I can't believe it's possible, but Six-Armed Vajra Asura might work.
He's 5.38 Exatons, though he can be downgraded in the future if anyone feels like redoing the calculation with the curvature formula.
I saw some interesting Bleach characters, but their passive haxs makes any fight impossible.
@Anyone
How does Endeavor vs Kuzan sound?
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This match could be great.
It would be a good match if it weren't for the One Piece rabid supporters.
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Absolute Zero + One Piece Haki 99 layers of infinite durability negation + scales above other person that once used their haki to do x/y/z therefore they can perfectly replicate everything they did = gg
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"Lend me some resistances Haki, this is Endevour we're up against"
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How about Vlitra? Slightly weaker than Six Armed Asura but has a bunch of other shit to make things interesting, like it's sheer size.
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You said Deku Vs Orochi is fair now right
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Doesn't Orochi skill stomp him?
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I dont know. I just remember this being said here.
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I made deku vs shez, check it out
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I stopped checking after I read that as well.
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Alright I'll equal speed
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Eh.. a 6.25x speed gap doesn't seem so insurmountable wouldn't especially with ways Deku can buff and change his own stats.
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No? Why would you assume that?
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Because I feel like there might be people out that think that Midoriya eventually or instantneously gain the body of a regular human being after one for all started to slowly fade away
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What's a regular human in regards of MHA?
People without durability or strength enhancing Quirks are able to reach stupidly high levels. Even Endeavor has durability close to Weakened All Might level, despite not having any Quirk that'd enhance his durability to blunt force attacks. Best Jeanist, Edgeshot, Nejire, and even Bakugo fall under this category as well.
There are even more.
Look at how strong Sir Nighteye is, despite not even having a Quirk to increase his strength, he can one shot a Rappa double and break Fused Chisaki's arm with ease.
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Like because "If they have quirks, even if not entirely focused on strength, it makes sense jusy because"
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