Muzan vs Sukuna

[Arkenis]

A year ago the match was done and a ton of stuff was different/missing back then so lets see how fair this will be now.

Muzan vs Sukuna

Using 16f Meguna Sukuna
Speed Equalized

Natural Disaster: CastoriceTheFifth, Catbowtie, DarkRuler234, YeahhBoyee, karo_senpaii, Passersby, Pearly0nsams, Danny33wise, Kavopaco, Arkansalter2, speedster352, Arkenis, 57Dev, Tengouk, StorytellingDemonKing (15)
Calamity: MonarchInYellow, CBslayeR, Duedate8898, Ebihara, EldemadeDityjon, CosmoDark, CripplingDepression6363, XSOULOFCINDERX, Harith0cell, Da3ggman, Entity
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[CastoriceTheFifth]

What does Muzan do against Mahoraga.

 

[Arkenis]

What does Muzan do against Mahoraga.

If he realizes he can't kill it with different hax quick enough he can just bfr it.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

If he realizes he can't kill it with different hax quick enough he can just bfr it.

Would he do it quick enough before Mahoraga adapts to his regeneration.

 

[Arkenis]

Would he do it quick enough before Mahoraga adapts to his regeneration.

The wheel's never shown the ability to adapt to RCT regeneration nor regeneration like Muzan's so that wouldn't be a factor.

 

[DarkRuler234]

I'm voting for Sukuna.

I still think that the domain+furnace combo would be enough to put Muzan down.

And I'm not sure why we are including the Infinity Castle on Muzan’s arsenal, since from what I know that is Nakime ability and Muzan only controls that through Nakime.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

The wheel's never shown the ability to adapt to RCT regeneration nor regeneration like Muzan's so that wouldn't be a factor.

Then I'll just vote for Muzan via him putting him down with his biological deconstruction that would quickly kill Sukuna since Muzan infuses all his attacks with his blood anyways. Muzan should be able to win before Sukuna manages to pull off the divine flames + malevolent shrine combo to one shot him. Even if Sukuna manages to cast the domain, Muzan would just keep instantly regenerating from the constant slashes.

 

[Arkenis]

And I'm not sure why we are including the Infinity Castle on Muzan’s arsenal, since from what I know that is Nakime ability and Muzan only controls that through Nakime.

He controls it through her, why would it not be included?

 

[DarkRuler234]

He controls it through her, why would it not be included?

Then wouldn't Mahoraga simply adapt to her?

 

[Arkenis]

Then wouldn't Mahoraga simply adapt to her and kill her then?

What is he adapting to? And she would endlessly keep shifting the dimension, he also has no way of sensing through it.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Then wouldn't Mahoraga simply adapt to her?

What does he even adapt to for that. Does he just magically teleport to earth from a different dimension?

 

[Arkenis]

Also rereading the fight, Muzan's absorption shit is definitely more viable than I thought, most of Sukuna's shikigamis would just be absorbed as well I think.

 

[DarkRuler234]

What is he adapting to? And she would endlessly keep shifting the dimension, he also has no way of sensing through it.

Mahoraga is said to adapt to any phenomenon, he would simply adapt to her abilities especially if she tries to keep shifting him around.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Also rereading the fight, Muzan's absorption shit is definitely more viable than I thought, most of Sukuna's shikigamis would just be absorbed as well I think.

Can Sukuna resist Muzan's overwhelming fear aura that can cause internal bleeding and external lacerations or resist Muzan's seizure shockwave

 

[Catbowtie]

I was actually going to do this match-up but Arkenis beat me to the punch, but anyways.

Muzan should take this.

Muzan resists the Fear Manipulation & Paralysis Inducement of Mahoraga, and should be able to sense Ten Shadows through his Extrasensory Perception and Enhanced Senses. Someone like Hagane Daido, a non-sorcerer, was able to sense an invisible Naoya by "seeing everything else" and Complete Heavenly Restriction Maki was able to do the same thing to fight against Naoya. Even looking at Toji, who is narratively Maki's equal, has Enhanced Senses which picks up differences in temperature and density of air. Curses' are negative emotions too. It shouldn't be out of reach for Muzan to sense the malicious intent emanating from Sukuna, Mahoraga, and the gang.

As for the fight, Sukuna gets shredded.

In Sukuna's mind, Muzan is a random nobody with 0 cursed energy and is vaguely dangerous as per SBA. Sukuna would either think Muzan is like Maki or just fodder. Really, it depends on what Sukuna is feeling like, because he can use Dismantles to try to kill Muzan quickly for disrespecting him or just do cqc. If Sukuna goes into cqc, he gets cooked. Muzan's tendrils was able to fend off 7 Hashira, all of which are respectively skilled in their own right. It should have no problem being able to cut Sukuna if Sukuna stays within Tens of Meters. Once cut, Sukuna's body will quickly melt and vaporize. This is how fast Muzan's Biological Deconstruction works against people who have no resistance against it.

Sukuna would have to dodge god Muzan's tendrils, realize that Muzan has Regeneration, then Domain Expand and do Divine Flames all before Muzan can cut him ONCE to win. If he wastes time trying to use Ten Shadows, then he runs the risk of Muzan doing literally anything else to try to cut Sukuna.

Also rereading the fight, Muzan's absorption shit is definitely more viable than I thought, most of Sukuna's shikigamis would just be absorbed as well I think.

Muzan would only use absorption if he's being held down or has no other option. It's not a move he'd go for and has really only done it one time In-Character.

Can Sukuna resist Muzan's overwhelming fear aura that can cause internal bleeding and external lacerations or resist Muzan's seizure shockwave

Yes, Sukuna can.

• Fear Manipulation & Paralysis Inducement (Curses are shown to create an immense pressure that causes fear and paralysis in people's bodies unconsciously, even when the person does not even believe in the supernatural. Sorcerers have shown that they are unaffected in most cases)

 

[Arkenis]

Mahoraga is said to adapt to any phenomenon, he would simply adapt to her abilities especially if she tries to keep shifting him around.

In context there's steps the adaptation follows; he has to first be hurt or affected by it, it takes time to fully adapt based on the complexity of the hax, and even then what would the adaptation be? I could see maybe him getting senses to find a way out or be able to cut through the dimension but idk how likely all this is.

 

[Arkenis]

Can Sukuna resist Muzan's overwhelming fear aura that can cause internal bleeding and external lacerations or resist Muzan's seizure shockwave

Probably. He has his own aura and those dura negs can be overcome by rct.

Muzan would only use absorption if he's being held down or has no other option. It's not a move he'd go for and has really only done it one time In-Character.

Yeah this was the scene I saw. I swear he's done it before in his fight with Tanjiro though no?

 

[Pearly0nsams]

following

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Yes, Sukuna can.

Ngl, didn't know it was on that page lol. What about the seizure shockwave part atleast.

 

[Catbowtie]

I don't know what you mean by seizure shockwave

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I don't know what you mean by seizure shockwave

• Electricity Manipulation, Energy Projection & Shockwave Generation (Induced numerous craters in the ground instantly. After morphing his torso into a beastly mouth, Muzan can release a strong shockwave and electricity-like energy blast that causes seizure and convulsion, and capable of internally injuring anyone caught up in its range)

 

[Catbowtie]

Then yea

• Electricity Manipulation (Was able to withstand various kinds of electrical attacks from Kashimo's Cursed Technique)

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

• Biological Manipulation & Heat Manipulation (Unfazed by fighting on top of Jogo's heated meteor, not scared of Jogo's Domain Expansion)

I genuinely dont understand how this is a resistance to biological manipulation

 

[Arkenis]

This is how fast Muzan's Biological Deconstruction works against people who have no resistance against it.

Probably a stretch, but Sukuna has resistance to all poison and toxins, I know this bio hax more but should he not have a slight resistance?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Probably a stretch, but Sukuna has resistance to all poison and toxins, I know this bio hax more but should he not have a slight resistance?

I mean its not poison manipulation and his blood is also a deconstruction aswell. Unless sukuna standing ontop of a heated meteor counts as resistance to bio manipulation (i still dont understand why thats on his profile)

 

[Pearly0nsams]

Sukuna has innate domain but it's kinda non-factor here. I don't think he can do anything about Muzan's decon. Would Muzan use Decon before Sukuna pulls his flames? Also can he even do anything to Mahoraga?

 

[Catbowtie]

• Biological Deconstruction (By injecting his blood into humans he causes them rapid mutation that results in cellular destruction and quick melting and vaporization of their body. Muzan weaponizes his blood by infusing it with his physical attacks, making a single scratch deadly. Demons can only survive adapting to a small amount of Muzan's blood at a time)

Is there any lethal poisons in Jujutsu Kaisen that causes cellular destruction and mutation? I mean I guess if you want to say that Sukuna should be able to resist Choso's Corrosion Inducement because narratively he is the strongest guy out there and it could be an inconsistency to say that Choso can pump Sukuna full of blood and beat him that way. But remember, Demon Slayers who do have resistance to Muzan's Biological Manipulation can still be affected by it.

• Biological Manipulation (Total Concentration Breathing grants higher resistance to Muzan's blood which can immediately transform normal humans into demons with a scratch, leading them to require a few days to willingly transform. Can resist Muzan's injected blood which rapidly attacks and destroys cells leading to quick melting and vaporization, especially with the Demon Slayer Mark)

So Muzan continually pumping Sukuna full of his blood will eventually have an effect.

Sukuna has innate domain but it's kinda non-factor here. I don't think he can do anything about Muzan's decon. Would Muzan use Decon before Sukuna pulls his flames? Also can he even do anything to Mahoraga?

Muzan's Deconstruction is on his tendrils.

• Biological Deconstruction (By injecting his blood into humans he causes them rapid mutation that results in cellular destruction and quick melting and vaporization of their body. Muzan weaponizes his blood by infusing it with his physical attacks, making a single scratch deadly. Demons can only survive adapting to a small amount of Muzan's blood at a time)

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Sukuna has innate domain but it's kinda non-factor here. I don't think he can do anything about Muzan's decon. Would Muzan use Decon before Sukuna pulls his flames? Also can he even do anything to Mahoraga?

He would. All his physical attacks has his blood and he smoked Tanjiro with it before the fortress collapsed. Muzan's counter to Mahoraga is basically to BFR him into the infinity fortress.

 

[Pearly0nsams]

Mahoraga save him

 

[DarkRuler234]

I feel like everyone like everyone is forgetting that Muzan just like Sukuna don't take the fight seriously at first, and that there's a 88x difference between the two of them.

That Sukuna LS is far superior to that of Muzan, he is Class G while Muzan Class 25.

And most of Muzan's Sukuna is either resistant or can negate through RCT.

But that's my opinion, I'm still going with Sukuna.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I feel like everyone like everyone is forgetting that Muzan just like Sukuna don't take the fight seriously at first, and that there's a 88x difference between the two of them.

That Sukuna LS is far superior to that of Muzan, he is Class G while Muzan Class 25.

And most of Muzan's Sukuna is either resistant or can negate through RCT.

But that's my opinion, I'm still going with Sukuna.

I dont think RCT is saving bro from all of muzan's physical attacks having biological deconstruction

 

[Arkenis]

and that there's a 88x difference between the two of them.

This isn't Full Power Sukuna if that wasn't clear.

That Sukuna LS is far superior to that of Muzan, he is Class G while Muzan Class 25.

Sukuna usually doesn't go for grabs and that would put him at a disadvantage to get close to Muzan.

And most of Muzan's Sukuna is either resistant or can negate through RCT.

The bio hax works way too fast for RCT to be effective here, and we can't even say Sukuna has good rct speed because he doesn't compared to the fastest.

 

[Passersby]

That Sukuna LS is far superior to that of Muzan, he is Class G while Muzan Class 25.

LS is a non factor when your opponent's limbs are disposable

what's that even gonna do lol

 

[DarkRuler234]

This isn't Full Power Sukuna if that wasn't clear.


Sukuna usually doesn't go for grabs and that would put him at a disadvantage to get close to Muzan.


The bio hax works way too fast for RCT to be effective here, and we can't even say Sukuna has good rct speed because he doesn't compared to the fastest.

Oh, I thought we were using Full Power Sukuna.

If that's the case then I'm voting for Muzan then.

 

[YeahhBoyee]

LS is a non factor when your opponent's limbs are disposable

what's that even gonna do lol

Agreed

Voting Muzan since i dont see how 16f Sukuna kills him. Sukuna also burns through CE as he fights whereas Muzan just simply doesn't get tired.

 

[Duedate8898]

Hmm, looking at this, I do believe Sukuna should be alright in taking this one.

I don't know why JJK supporters haven't mentioned it but the feat that literally gave Sukuna immunity to poisons relys on a poison that does exactly what Muzan's does. The rot of Eso and Kechizu. It corrodes the body and breaks it down. And thanks to Sukuna, Yuji only has to worry about the pain not the actual destructive effects of the corrosion. Muzan never uses this poison on other demons, so I don't believe it has any layers to it so Sukuna should be good on that front.

From that, Sukuna if not killed immediately with a headshot (which I don't believe is normally an opening move) is more likely to back off once he realizes he isn't strong enough physically and rely on his shikigami to battle against Muzan. And when Sukuna backs off, he can remove himself from the battlefield entirely by hiding in shadows. Shikigami which Muzan wouldn't be able to hurt as they are curses, and Muzan lacks anything which allows him to hurt curse spirits. Muzan wouldn't be able to see them and his ability sense their intent is dubious seeing as Shikigami are under the control of their users. From their, Muzan has two big problems.

One, Mahoraga adapting to his regeneration as like how Maho adapated to neutral infinity, he should be able to experience Muzan's blood and adjust to it from there.

Two, the corruptive and cursing nature of cursed energy which Muzan has no resistance to. He'd be undergoing his own form of poisoning which he has no real way to combat.

Edit: Don't know why this image wouldn't link but here's the poison of the brothers.

https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/kaisentcb_60_11.jpg

Edit 2: No idea what's going on with the link, check Eso's profile under his blood manipulation. The first link describes it.

 

[Pearly0nsams]

This might be a dumb question but can't shikigamis just eat him?

 

[CBslayeR]

Duedate's args seem convincing, Sukuna FRA

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Natural Disaster: CastoriceTheFifth, Catbowtie
Calamity:

Both are Sukuna's title btw when did Muzan was called Natural Disaster. Bum is more like Natural Coward.

Anyway will take a look at the thread later give input based on both sides arguments.

This might be a dumb question but can't shikigamis just eat him?

Maybe dog yeah. If you count it can eat curses so it should be able to do the same with Muzan. But is that enough to put him down?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Muzan never uses this poison on other demons, so I don't believe it has any layers to it so Sukuna should be good on that front.

• Biological Manipulation (Total Concentration Breathing grants higher resistance to Muzan's blood which can immediately transform normal humans into demons with a scratch, leading them to require a few days to willingly transform. Can resist Muzan's injected blood which rapidly attacks and destroys cells leading to quick melting and vaporization, especially with the Demon Slayer Mark)

Muzan's bio hax also still works on slayers who have resistance with it and almost died mid battle because of it