Muzan vs Sukuna

[CBslayeR]

That just means Sukuna should be able to survive it long enough to either RCT it, or go "oh shit, I'm taking heavy damage, time to use domain expansion"

 

[Pearly0nsams]

Maybe dog yeah. If you count it can eat curses so it should be able to do the same with Muzan. But is that enough to put him down?

Should be at least incap via sealing him inside their body. Muzan can't corrupt or decon them neither can harm them due to their physiology. His LS is also a joke for some reasons so he can't get out of there via brute strength.

I'm still leaning towards Muzan btw

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

That just means Sukuna should be able to survive it long enough to either RCT it, or go "oh shit, I'm taking heavy damage, time to use domain expansion"

RCT would't help considering this is what happened to the fastest RCT user

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

RCT would't help considering this is what happened to the fastest RCT user

Next panel he started beating the shit out Kashimo. Also that poison is different from Blood Poisoning. It's a airborne. I think there is enough difference between them

 

[Passersby]

Muzan never uses this poison on other demons,

replay to when he gave lowermoon 1 a good quantity of blood letting the dude with a regen far surpassing anything JJK has to offer tweakin and and almost dying while trying to absorb it

not that it would matter, the mechanics of how "poison" works is important when dealing with any form of resistance, just because someone can resist paralysis doesn't mean they're immune to neurotoxins, "poison" is just an umbreally term for hamrful substances, there is not a single substance in the jjk universe as lethal as a blood that targets your very cells and turns someone without any resistance to it to a literal puddle in a couple of seconds

One, Mahoraga adapting to his regeneration as like how Maho adapated to neutral infinity, he should be able to experience Muzan's blood and adjust to it from there.

one thing that was never shown, mahoraga wasn't to be abale to adapt to physiological functions, likely because that would be a boring ahh fight but making an ability that stops a human heart from beating or an ability that sucks all oxygen from the air seems far simpler than making a counter to infinity yet it seems like he never made one, muzan's regen being based on his biology implies maho can never counter it

Two, the corruptive and cursing nature of cursed energy which Muzan has no resistance to. He'd be undergoing his own form of poisoning which he has no real way to combat.

basic ahh regeneration, i have no idea why he can't regen the damage away, as if that's not an option

 

[Arkenis]

I don't know why JJK supporters haven't mentioned it but the feat that literally gave Sukuna immunity to poisons relys on a poison that does exactly what Muzan's does. The rot of Eso and Kechizu. It corrodes the body and breaks it down. And thanks to Sukuna, Yuji only has to worry about the pain not the actual destructive effects of the corrosion. Muzan never uses this poison on other demons, so I don't believe it has any layers to it so Sukuna should be good on that front.

It's hardly the same is why I didn't bring it up. Eso says his takes severals minutes, Muzan's takes seconds and depends on how much blood is put in. Muzans destroys the entire body while Eso's leaves the bones. Besides that, we classify them differently because they are; one directly is a mutation which causes the body to change, Eso's just decays the cells. Scientifically Muzan's isn't poison while Eso's is.

One, Mahoraga adapting to his regeneration as like how Maho adapated to neutral infinity, he should be able to experience Muzan's blood and adjust to it from there.

We've seen Maho interact with RCT users and didn't create an adaptation for it. Why would it suddenly be likely he can adapt to regeneration completely unknown? Also these adaptations require him to be affected by the thing in first place, he can't just adapt to it because he cut Muzan.

Two, the corruptive and cursing nature of cursed energy which Muzan has no resistance to. He'd be undergoing his own form of poisoning which he has no real way to combat.

Irrelevant in most cases seen in the series, dozens of non sorcerers are around sorcerers and curses during the Shibuya incident and nothing happens to them.

 

[Duedate8898]

Should be at least incap via sealing him inside their body. Muzan can't corrupt or decon them neither can harm them due to their physiology. His LS is also a joke for some reasons so he can't get out of there via brute strength.

I'm still leaning towards Muzan btw

Sukuna can dismiss any shadows and resummon them so sealing inside his body isn't an option for Muzan.

While I was wrong in saying that he didn't use his poison on demons, I will actually say this further supports my point as Muzan's blood potency is about quantity not the quality of it and Yuji I do believe Yuji is doused with a large amount of the corrosive blood as well. Either way, the deconstruction aspect of the poison I don't believe would overwhelm Sukuna due to how much Muzan typically starts with and uses in his battles.

Muzan's bio hax also still works on slayers who have resistance with it and almost died mid battle because of it

Demon slayers resistance to the poison is through the way in which they can slow its circulation throughout their bodies, an unconventional form of resistance which is not the same as Sukuna's which is an outright ignoring of it as far as we know. So its ability to overcome how Slayers negate wouldn't apply in how Sukuna negates it

 

[Arkenis]

Next panel he started beating the shit out Kashimo. Also that poison is different from Blood Poisoning. It's a airborne. I think there is enough difference between them

The point is Poison > Hakari RCT > Sukuna RCT

While I was wrong in saying that he didn't use his poison on demons, I will actually say this further supports my point as Muzan's blood potency is about quantity not the quality of it and Yuji I do believe Yuji is doused with a large amount of the corrosive blood as well. Either way, the deconstruction aspect of the poison I don't believe would overwhelm Sukuna due to how much Muzan typically starts with and uses in his battles.

Its tiny portions of his blood needed to vaporize humans and destroy demons. Yuji being doused in the blood and not being affected doesn't support Sukuna resisting Muzan's blood.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

The point is Poison > Hakari RCT > Sukuna RCT

Speed of RCT has anything to do with skill?
The point doesn't matter much if you can't argue that Blood Poisoning > Airborne poison that Hakari got hit. As I already mentioned he also recovered fast enough within few panels.

 

[Pearly0nsams]

Sukuna can dismiss any shadows and resummon them so sealing inside his body isn't an option for Muzan.

Yea what I'm asking if it is an option for Shikigamis to eat Muzan

 

[Duedate8898]

one thing that was never shown, mahoraga wasn't to be abale to adapt to physiological functions, likely because that would be a boring ahh fight but making an ability that stops a human heart from beating or an ability that sucks all oxygen from the air seems far simpler than making a counter to infinity yet it seems like he never made one, muzan's regen being based on his biology implies maho can never counter it

Mahoraga wasn't ever shown incapable of adapting to biologically functions firstly. But mainly the reason that I believe Mahoraga should be able to adapt is because of how Sukuna uses Maho to adapt to infinity. Sukuna experiences UV and from that alone begans the process of adapating for Limiteless in its entirety. Sukuna would experience Muzan's poisonous blood, and from that would give Mahoraga the blueprint to not just negate the poison but Muzan's cells in general as that is the basis of all of his abilities.

 

[Passersby]

While I was wrong in saying that he didn't use his poison on demons, I will actually say this further supports my point as Muzan's blood potency is about quantity not the quality of it

you mean like any other poison?
literally any harmful substance kills you better the more you have of it, what even is your point here.
Tanjiro, someone with actual resistance to his blood got grazed once and developed a tumor in his head, bro would have died if he didn't get an antidote

and Yuji I do believe Yuji is doused with a large amount of the corrosive blood as well. Either way, the deconstruction aspect of the poison I don't believe would overwhelm Suku

and why are you correlating the 2 substances as if they're the exact same?

 

[Passersby]

Mahoraga wasn't ever shown incapable of adapting to biologically functions firstly.

and that means nothing, to prove that he can showings explicitly having him adapt to them are needed

But mainly the reason that I believe Mahoraga should be able to adapt is because of how Sukuna uses Maho to adapt to infinity. Sukuna experiences UV and from that alone begans the process of adapating for Limiteless in its entirety.

if all it took maho to adapt to red is to get indirectly hit by it, slashing and getting into contact with a human body should be more than enough for ir to start adapting and make a technique to counter it if it can indeed adapt and counter biological functions, especially when doing that is far simpler than making a counter to infinity, you're really just yapping about an unverifiable hypothesis as if the esoteric shenannigans maho adapt to translate to biological ones, they don't, unless i'm missing something

 

[Duedate8898]

if all it took maho to adapt to red is to get indirectly hit by it, slashing and getting into contact with a human body should be more than enough for ir to start adapting and make a technique to counter it if it can indeed adapt and counter biological functions, especially when doing that is far simpler than making a counter to infinity, you're really just yapping about an unverifiable hypothesis as if the esoteric shenannigans maho adapt to translate to biological ones, they don't, unless i'm missing something

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Mahroaga isn't expereiencing Muzan's blood through just hitting him, he's experiencing it because Muzan uses it as a means to attack Sukuna. That's why he'd be able to adapt to it. Muzan through weaponing his blood would make it something which Mahoraga can adapt to and as seen in how he adapted to neutral infinity even though Gojo doesn't use that as an attack, I think it makes sense to say that Maho could adapt to Muzan's regenative abilities through the analysis of his blood.

 

[Arkenis]

Speed of RCT has anything to do with skill?

Yeah it does. It's shown when someone of lesser skill uses RCT it takes more time versus those with better skill do it in moments.

The point doesn't matter much if you can't argue that Blood Poisoning > Airborne poison Hakari got hit. As I already mentioned he also recovered fast enough withing few panels.

If we're going to distinguish between the poison then you'd agree Muzan's bio hax versus Eso's corrosion blood are completely different and comparison doesn't make sense.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Speed of RCT has anything to do with skill?
The point doesn't matter much if you can't argue that Blood Poisoning > Airborne poison that Hakari got hit. As I already mentioned he also recovered fast enough within few panels.

I don't see how chlorine gas poisoning is stronger than muzan's bio hax which causes rapid mutation that results in cellular destruction and quick melting and vaporization of their body. Also I don't see how him recovering matters when he has the fastest rct, is effectively immortal with his level of rct, the only one shown removing poisons and subconsciously does it, and only survived the poison because his rct functions automatically

 

[Passersby]

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Mahroaga isn't expereiencing Muzan's blood through just hitting him, he's experiencing it because Muzan uses it as a means to attack Sukuna, That's why he'd be able to adapt to it

wouldn't sukuna die from being hit by it anyways?

and him being able to adapt to the blood as far as i would know would only be defensively as in develop a resistance the same way he developed gills under water (i remember that's a thing?)
him developing any form of offensive abilities to counter muzan based on that is largely specualtive however, because like i said, bro was never shown to adapt to physiological shenannigans the same way he did to esoteric ones, in fact his showings make the implication that he wouldn't be able to develop them, my point above about his adaptation to red being one of them

I think it makes sense to say that Maho could adapt to Muzan's regenative abilities through the analysis of his blood.

not really it doesn't, at best he develops a resistance to it, assuming he doesn't die (do cursed spirits even have cells?) anything offensive is in the realm of speculation

 

[Arkenis]

Another thing about the RCT differences, is that substance removal is an issue even for the better rct users and requires them to target the substance and remove it. Hakari's RCT does this automatically and unconsciously since the body itself is overflowing with ce and constantly having to repair him, this makes it better than Sukuna. Furthermore Sukuna would have to detoxify the blood from his body, something we have zero idea on if he can do and the fact this takes time also should show it is far more lethal to Sukuna than something like Chlorine gas or Eso's blood.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I don't see how chlorine gas poisoning is stronger than muzan's bio hax which rapid mutation that results in cellular destruction and quick melting and vaporization of their body. Also I don't see how him recovering matters when he has the fastest rct, is effectively immortal with his level of rct, the only one shown removing poisons and subconsciously, and only survived the poison because his rct functions automatically

If we're going to distinguish between the poison then you'd agree Muzan's bio hax versus Eso's corrosion blood are completely different and comparison doesn't make sense

Let me make this clear: I was talking about RCT working faster if Sukuna can identify the poisonous substance in his body. Hakari's case involved airborne poison, which is not easy to identify as it is literally mixed with the air he breathes. In contrast, blood poisoning involves a substance mixed with the blood, and since the blood cells do not belong to Sukuna, it should be easier for him to identify compared to Hakari's case, which required purifying the poison in the air. The purification speed in both cases should not be considered the same—that is my point. I was not talking about different types of poison not working on him. I was pointing out the flawed logic you people are using. Hakari taking a few panels to purify airborne poison should not be equated with blood poisoning, as I explained above. Unless you can provide evidence that blood poisoning is harder to detect and purify than airborne poison, my argument stands.

 

[Arkenis]

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Mahroaga isn't expereiencing Muzan's blood through just hitting him, he's experiencing it because Muzan uses it as a means to attack Sukuna. That's why he'd be able to adapt to it. Muzan through weaponing his blood would make it something which Mahoraga can adapt to and as seen in how he adapted to neutral infinity even though Gojo doesn't use that as an attack, I think it makes sense to say that Maho could adapt to Muzan's regenative abilities through the analysis of his blood.

This assumes Sukuna decides to call out the wheel or Maho before any of Muzan's tendrils rips a chunk out of Sukuna.

Let me make this clear: I was talking about RCT working faster if Sukuna can identify the poisonous substance in his body. Hakari's case involved airborne poison, which is not easy to identify as it is literally mixed with the air he breathes. In contrast, blood poisoning involves a substance mixed with the blood, and since the blood cells do not belong to Sukuna, it should be easier for him to identify compared to Hakari's case, which required purifying the poison in the air. The purification speed in both cases should not be considered the same—that is my point. I was not talking about different types of poison not working on him. I was pointing out the flawed logic you people are using. Hakari taking a few panels to purify airborne poison should not be equated with blood poisoning, as I explained above. Unless you can provide evidence that blood poisoning is harder to detect and purify than airborne poison, my argument stands.

Alright that's fine. This gets us to my previous point about the blood; it is an entirely foreign substance to anything in JJK or the irl world, no poison in the world works this fast or has these severe effects. The point is, the detoxification is completely unknown, the fact our only example of RCT's detoxification is chlorine gas and still taking several seconds and only worked because Hakari's RCT is automatic, makes it less arguable that Sukuna could do it. And yeah the blood mixes with the person's blood, it spreads throughout their body's circulatory system, the slayers slow its circulation through total concentration.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Alright that's fine. This gets us to my previous point about the blood; it is an entirely foreign substance to anything in JJK or the irl world, no poison in the world works this fast or has these severe effects. The point is, the detoxification is completely unknown, the fact our only example of RCT's detoxification is chlorine gas and still taking several seconds and only worked because Hakari's RCT is automatic, makes it less arguable that Sukuna could do it. And yeah the blood mixes with the person's blood, it spreads throughout their body's circulatory system, the slayers slow its circulation through total concentration.

We literally see Yuta detoxifying Naoya, and Naoya's body rejecting the foreign blood/inhuman blood that doesn't belong to him. So, I definitely don't see why Sukuna can't detoxify it. Also, this is the same Naoya who got poisoned within three pages. Lol. It really doesn't matter what Eso's blood poisoning speed is. I don't see why we need to link it to Choso. Sukuna should scale to Choso's poisoning rate as well.

 

[Arkenis]

We literally see Yuta detoxifying Naoya, and Naoya's body rejecting the foreign blood/inhuman blood that doesn't belong to him. So, I definitely don't see why Sukuna can't detoxify it. Also, this is the same Naoya who got poisoned within three pages. Lol. It really doesn't matter what Eso's blood poisoning speed is. I don't see why we need to link it to Choso. Sukuna should scale to Choso's poisoning rate as well.

We LITERALLY have no idea how long that took Yuta. You're also conflating the two; we originally were talking about Eso's blood technique which decays the body, NOT Choso's cursed blood which is inherently poisonous to sorcerers NOT because it is literal poison or because it decays the body. And cool, Naoya's body rejects cursed blood because it's cursed blood, has nothing to do with Muzan's blood which acts too fast to even be rejected and destroys the body.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

Muzan's bio hax also still works on slayers who have resistance with it and almost died mid battle because of it

Demons have no resistance to poisons, as we see wisteria being effective on them. so that still doesn't prove that Muzan's poison has layers to it. Sukuna has been proven to be immune to Eso and Kechizu's technique, so if anything, Sukuna would still have time to use RCT on himself for him to regenerate from it. And even if it hit him, he probably could just cut off the affected area before it could spread through his body. Slayers couldn't do this since they couldn't regenerate, but not only Sukuna has already shown to being fine with cutting his own body parts off to preserve his life, but he also is stated again and again to be really knowledgeable about poisons and toxins (he is the king of all poisons, after all).

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RCT would't help considering this is what happened to the fastest RCT user

Fastest, not the most efficient RCT user. Hakari has the fastest RCT purely because, when in jackpot, he generates an infinite amount of cursed energy. His body, by having an infinite amount of cursed energy, starts doing RCT by itself. The reason it's so fast is because he has an unlimited amount of it. He isn't smart about it's usage, and in that scene you sent, the problem was that Hakari's body was doing it automatically, it wasn't Hakari, by his own will, choosing to expel the toxins from his body. If that was Sukuna, even though his RCT isn't fast like Hakari, he would be able to identify what was the problem and deal with it way faster because of his experience and better usage of RCT. Sukuna does it consciously, Hakari doesn't.

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Also, as I mentioned, Sukuna probably would be able to see that Muzan's blood is toxic before it became a problem. I really don't know where y'all got the idea that Sukuna would just stand there and let himself be hit by the his blood. Even when Sukuna doesn't recognize his opponents as worthy, he always avoids their moves and goes for the kill instantly.

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The scene you sent before, about avoiding Jogo's meteor, is another example. Jogo is insanely weaker than Sukuna, but even so, he still avoided the attack and didn't dare to let himself get hit by it.

Sukuna would probably try cutting Muzan into little cubes just like he did to Nanako. Seeing it didn't work, he probably would either go for domain expansion or simply retreat into the shadows of Ten Shadows, and Muzan wouldn't be able to reach him there. Then Sukuna would just let his shikigamis beat the Muzan up, and since Muzan can't damage his shikigamis, he would himself get cursed and poisoned, which would weaken him, as it is confirmed that being cursed makes you weaker. And depending on the curse, it can even kill you.

And while Mahoraga fights and makes Muzan bleed, he would start adapting to it. Eventually, Mahoraga would develop something to permanently put Muzan down, as we saw he could do when he kept making new moves to deal with Infinity (he first made it so he could completely nullify it, but since Sukuna wanted an adaptation that he himself could also use, he made Mahoraga go on generating new adaptations).

The moment Sukuna feels it's dangerous for him to stay out, he will simply drop into a shadow and stay there. He doesn't need to fight head-on nor is he dumb enough to throw himself into his opponent without knowing what they have. Also, even if he got badly injured or affected by the poison, Sukuna could Incarnate, cleansing his body of Muzan's blood and getting a second chance.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

bruh why didnt the other images work?

 

[MonarchInYellow]

replay to when he gave lowermoon 1 a good quantity of blood letting the dude with a regen far surpassing anything JJK has to offer tweakin and and almost dying while trying to absorb it

not that it would matter, the mechanics of how "poison" works is important when dealing with any form of resistance, just because someone can resist paralysis doesn't mean they're immune to neurotoxins, "poison" is just an umbreally term for hamrful substances, there is not a single substance in the jjk universe as lethal as a blood that targets your very cells and turns someone without any resistance to it to a literal puddle in a couple of seconds


one thing that was never shown, mahoraga wasn't to be abale to adapt to physiological functions, likely because that would be a boring ahh fight but making an ability that stops a human heart from beating or an ability that sucks all oxygen from the air seems far simpler than making a counter to infinity yet it seems like he never made one, muzan's regen being based on his biology implies maho can never counter it


basic ahh regeneration, i have no idea why he can't regen the damage away, as if that's not an option

Just like you said, he tried to absorb it, not remove it from his body. Also, he couldn't just dodge Muzan's blood nor refuse it. Sukuna wouldn't let Muzan insert that large amount of blood into him, so that point makes no sense at all. Even if the blood gets into an arm or leg of Sukua, he would chop it off if needed and regenerate it. Sukuna CAN and has shown to drop into his shadows through Ten Shadows whenever he is in danger. So even if he was hit with Muzan's blood, he can just drop into his shadows, let his shikigamis fight Muzan (who cannot damage the shikigamis) and expel the blood from his body and regenerate there, cut off any body parts that are "too far gone" and all of that. Sukuna never lets himself get hit for no reason, so saying he would let such a large amount of blood get inserted into him isn't realistic. If Muzan is able to do that without Sukuna reacting, why not say he would simply chop Sukuna's head off?

 

[Robo432343]

muzan possesses him

 

[Passersby]

bruh why didnt the other images work?

first time? lol
even if they work for you before you post sometimes they just don't afterwards and it's because of the site you're using, use a different one


anyways, i beleive i made my point clear, i vote muzan fra, heading off to continue my projects and fanfic

 

[MonarchInYellow]

It's hardly the same is why I didn't bring it up. Eso says his takes severals minutes, Muzan's takes seconds and depends on how much blood is put in. Muzans destroys the entire body while Eso's leaves the bones. Besides that, we classify them differently because they are; one directly is a mutation which causes the body to change, Eso's just decays the cells. Scientifically Muzan's isn't poison while Eso's is.

We've seen Maho interact with RCT users and didn't create an adaptation for it. Why would it suddenly be likely he can adapt to regeneration completely unknown? Also these adaptations require him to be affected by the thing in first place, he can't just adapt to it because he cut Muzan.


Irrelevant in most cases seen in the series, dozens of non sorcerers are around sorcerers and curses during the Shibuya incident and nothing happens to them.

The cursing effect doesn't happen by you being close to it, it happens by you being affected by cursed energy in some kind of way. For example, the page where Maki falls down cursed happens after she gets sliced by a cursed spirit, getting cursed energy directly inserted into her. Sorcerers do not get poisoned because it's literally explained in the beginning of the series. You, as a sorcerer, protect yourself from other curses with your cursed energy. Only people who cannot use cursed energy are unable to withstand curses. Also, obviously sorcerers wouldn't curse non sorcerers in Shibuya, but deaths do happen, we see a lot of them dying during Shibuya.

When fighting Gojo, they literally were using the humans as meat shields so Gojo wouldn't be able to go all out. They were, yes, killing some humans, but they were also trying to keep them alive so Gojo would have a reason to not go all out. We simply do not have that many examples of normal people getting cursed because the manga is focused on sorcerers fighting curses/other sorcerers and barely focuses on normal people, but it IS relevant.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

first time? lol
even if they work for you before you post sometimes they just don't afterwards and it's because of the site you're using, use a different one


anyways, i beleive i made my point clear, i vote muzan fra, heading off to continue my projects and fanfic

Oh, yeah. I'm kinda new to posting here lol. Any suggestions of a site where I can get the pages from?

 

[Passersby]

Oh, yeah. I'm kinda new to posting here lol. Any suggestions of a site where I can get the pages from?

No idea honestly

Been a while since I used jjk manga panels, you really just gotta try your luck
Sorry but I'm not that helpful lol

Welcome aboard!

 

[MonarchInYellow]

This assumes Sukuna decides to call out the wheel or Maho before any of Muzan's tendrils rips a chunk out of Sukuna.


Alright that's fine. This gets us to my previous point about the blood; it is an entirely foreign substance to anything in JJK or the irl world, no poison in the world works this fast or has these severe effects. The point is, the detoxification is completely unknown, the fact our only example of RCT's detoxification is chlorine gas and still taking several seconds and only worked because Hakari's RCT is automatic, makes it less arguable that Sukuna could do it. And yeah the blood mixes with the person's blood, it spreads throughout their body's circulatory system, the slayers slow its circulation through total concentration.

But that's in character for Meguna. In all of his fights, he always starts by pulling out his wheel and activating it. He did that agaisn't Yorozu and did that agaisn't Gojo (he simply hid it in his shadow). And since speed is equalized here, I do not see Sukuna getting blitzed and being unable to avoid Muzan's tendrils. Sukuna, since the beginning, always avoids getting hit by attacks whenever he can. He avoided getting affected by Nanako's technique, he avoided getting hit by Jogo's meteor and other techniques, he avoided getting hit by Yuta, Yuji Maki and everybody else's attacks. He really never let's himself get hit by anything unnecessarily.

Also, as Meguna specifically, Sukuna favored fighting through long range. He only went for CQC agaisn't Gojo because that was the only way he could hit him (domain amplification). Agaisn't Yorozu he kept throwing multiples shikigamis on her to make it so she was unable to get close to him. The only moment he let her get close to him, was when he wanted to adapt to her technique via the Wheel of Dharma. But here, since he would immediately realize that Muzan has no cursed energy to be able to damage Mahoraga, he would have no reason to let himself get hit. He could just submerge himself in his shadows and let Mahoraga and the other shikigamis duke it out with Muzan. And although Mahoraga indeed cannot adapt to Muzan's regeneration, he still can adapt to his blood and create a way around it. By cutting and slicing Muzan, Mahoraga would get exposed to his blood, and that exposure would already start his adaptation. Also, Muzan has no previous knowledge to let him know that Mahoraga can adapt to his moves, so I don't see why he would resort to BFR. As far he knows, the giant invisible thing he is sensing is simply really durable. Also, even if he BFR's Mahoraga, Sukuna can always unsummon and summon him again. All shikigamis can travel through shadows and submerge in them to respawn in another shadow, as we already saw Megumi do. Muzan only got one shot to kill Sukuna once the fight starts, and if he doesn't kill him right there, Sukuna simply goes into his shadows and lets Mahoraga deal with Muzan.

Honestly, compared to Muzan's single chance of killing Sukuna before he goes into the shadows, Sukuna can win by simply waiting until Mahoraga adaptates, so I'm voting Sukuna. BFR wouldn't work on Mahoraga unless Sukuna himself was BFR, but Muzan never started a fight by BFRing anyone.

 

[CBslayeR]

Oh, yeah. I'm kinda new to posting here lol. Any suggestions of a site where I can get the pages from?

download your own images then upload them to a only visible with link imgur link, that should do the trick

 

[Arkenis]

But that's in character for Meguna. In all of his fights, he always starts by pulling out his wheel and activating it. He did that agaisn't Yorozu and did that agaisn't Gojo (he simply hid it in his shadow). And since speed is equalized here, I do not see Sukuna getting blitzed and being unable to avoid Muzan's tendrils. Sukuna, since the beginning, always avoids getting hit by attacks whenever he can. He avoided getting affected by Nanako's technique, he avoided getting hit by Jogo's meteor and other techniques, he avoided getting hit by Yuta, Yuji Maki and everybody else's attacks. He really never let's himself get hit by anything unnecessarily.

Idc if you think he starts with it out, already explained how the wheel's adaptation has a process. Never said Sukuna's getting blitzed, I was saying he'd get hit by the tendrils because he has ten of them, they're all capable of hitting people more experienced in battle and all have better senses than Sukuna and they still couldn't dodge them all.

Also, as Meguna specifically, Sukuna favored fighting through long range. He only went for CQC agaisn't Gojo because that was the only way he could hit him (domain amplification). Agaisn't Yorozu he kept throwing multiples shikigamis on her to make it so she was unable to get close to him. The only moment he let her get close to him, was when he wanted to adapt to her technique via the Wheel of Dharma. But here, since he would immediately realize that Muzan has no cursed energy to be able to damage Mahoraga, he would have no reason to let himself get hit. He could just submerge himself in his shadows and let Mahoraga and the other shikigamis duke it out with Muzan.

And once he realizes the shikigamis can't kill Muzan he'll come out.

And although Mahoraga indeed cannot adapt to Muzan's regeneration, he still can adapt to his blood and create a way around it. By cutting and slicing Muzan, Mahoraga would get exposed to his blood, and that exposure would already start his adaptation. Also, Muzan has no previous knowledge to let him know that Mahoraga can adapt to his moves, so I don't see why he would resort to BFR. As far he knows, the giant invisible thing he is sensing is simply really durable. Also, even if he BFR's Mahoraga, Sukuna can always unsummon and summon him again. All shikigamis can travel through shadows and submerge in them to respawn in another shadow, as we already saw Megumi do. Muzan only got one shot to kill Sukuna once the fight starts, and if he doesn't kill him right there, Sukuna simply goes into his shadows and lets Mahoraga deal with Muzan.

Read the previous messages I explained why adapting to the blood isn't likely. Not sure why Sukuna's suddenly fighting like he doesn't like to fight lol, I don't buy him hiding to let Maho and the other shiki fight, maybe if he's weakened and has no other options but off the start I don't see why he'd go in the shadows. Something the guy's done like three times for certains reasons shouldn't be argued for something he'd start off with.

Honestly, compared to Muzan's single chance of killing Sukuna before he goes into the shadows, Sukuna can win by simply waiting until Mahoraga adaptates, so I'm voting Sukuna. BFR wouldn't work on Mahoraga unless Sukuna himself was BFR, but Muzan never started a fight by BFRing anyone.

Sukuna doesn't wait though, he's never done this even when he had to wait for adaptation, he still would fight the person.

 

[Arkenis]

The cursing effect doesn't happen by you being close to it, it happens by you being affected by cursed energy in some kind of way. For example, the page where Maki falls down cursed happens after she gets sliced by a cursed spirit, getting cursed energy directly inserted into her. Sorcerers do not get poisoned because it's literally explained in the beginning of the series. You, as a sorcerer, protect yourself from other curses with your cursed energy. Only people who cannot use cursed energy are unable to withstand curses. Also, obviously sorcerers wouldn't curse non sorcerers in Shibuya, but deaths do happen, we see a lot of them dying during Shibuya.

When fighting Gojo, they literally were using the humans as meat shields so Gojo wouldn't be able to go all out. They were, yes, killing some humans, but they were also trying to keep them alive so Gojo would have a reason to not go all out. We simply do not have that many examples of normal people getting cursed because the manga is focused on sorcerers fighting curses/other sorcerers and barely focuses on normal people, but it IS relevant.

Not gonna get into how this works, the Shikigami's movements are far more inferior to the Hashira or Sukuna, Muzan's senses should let him dodge fine.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

Idc if you think he starts with it out, already explained how the wheel's adaptation has a process. Never said Sukuna's getting blitzed, I was saying he'd get hit by the tendrils because he has ten of them, they're all capable of hitting people more experienced in battle and all have better senses than Sukuna and they still couldn't dodge them all.


And once he realizes the shikigamis can't kill Muzan he'll come out.


Read the previous messages I explained why adapting to the blood isn't likely. Not sure why Sukuna's suddenly fighting like he doesn't like to fight lol, I don't buy him hiding to let Maho and the other shiki fight, maybe if he's weakened and has no other options but off the start I don't see why he'd go in the shadows. Something the guy's done like three times for certains reasons shouldn't be argued for something he'd start off with.


Sukuna doesn't wait though, he's never done this even when he had to wait for adaptation, he still would fight the person.

The adaptation starts the moment something affects Mahoraga. Getting hit by the same thing again just accelerates it. No one who fought Muzan in the final fight has more experience than Muzan. He literally is adapted to fighting multiple opponents who can regenerate, guarantee hits agaisnt him, who have attacks that can instantly kill him and even so he still always defeated them. Tanjiro and most of the Pillars have literally less than 10 years of experience as fighters, what are you talking about? Muzan couldn't instantly hit and kill a weakened and blind Obanai, who held him off by himself. And once again, speed is equalized. Muzan never starts his fights by going all out, so your point doesn't make any sense. Sukuna can instantly slice Muzan from far away without even moving and without Muzan even realizing it. Then he would see Muzan regenerating without using Cursed Energy, and instantly Sukuna would try to understand it and be cautious, like he has ALWAYS shown to be. Muzan never starts his fights by instantly whipping down a random guy he sees on the street.

Once he realizes the normal shikigamis cannot kill Muzan, he WON'T come out. If cutting down Muzan doesn't work, it tearing his body apart doesn't work, electrocuting him to death doesn't work, and nor does stomping and drowning him, Sukuna will realize it's dangerous to expose himself for no reason. And since Muzan also cannot damage his shikigamis, he literally will see that he can just let Mahoraga out until he adapts and gets an adaptation that ***** Muzan up.

And I read your thought on Mahoraga adaptating to Muzan's blood, and that's wrong. Yes, there's nothing like Muzan's blood in JJK world, so indeed I also do not believe it should be compared to something like Eso or Kechizu, I will give you that. However, Mahoraga's ability is stated to be the ability to adapt to ANY and ALL phenomena. It's never stated that it's limited to CE, that it's limited to physical damage, etc. It's all and any phenomena. If Mahoraga were to be faced with Muzan's blood and it's effect, he would adapt to it. Hakari's RCT has nothing to do with Mahoraga's adaptation.

About your comment saying that he doesn't fight like this, or that he wouldn't, he actually did it a bunch of times. On a single chapter, I got these:



The reason he was actively fighting Gojo instead of just letting Mahoraga fight, was because if he left Mahoraga alone, Gojo would instantly kill it., so he had to take the burden of adaptation to someone else (Megumi) and go on fighting while that happened. That's why the only time he starts retreating to his shadow to let Mahoraga fight, was after it already adapted to Blue, Unlimited Void and was halfway through adaptating to Red. Sukuna always retreated when he wanted to watch and think about what to do next, OR learn through Mahoraga, as you can see him hiding in the shadows and watching as Mahoraga developed the World Cutting Slash. Agaisn't Yorozu, he did the same. He was constantly running away when the fight started, and only started allowing himself to get hit by her when they Yorozu started fighting seriously and started using her Creation technique, just so Mahoraga could adapt through him. Why? Because if he let Mahoraga alone, Yorozu could have done Perfect Sphere earlier in the fight and instantly killed Mahoraga.

You have to understand that this fight is different than anything Sukuna has ever seen, and as Mahoraga couldn't be killed by Muzan, letting Muzan fight Mahoraga as he watched and tried to learn who and what Muzan was would be the most likely choice Sukuna would make. He literally does this in the manga when he is allowed to (when he doesn't have to worry about Mahoraga getting instantly killed). Sukuna is not an honorable person, he literally killed Gojo by cheating and making a binding vow that would let him unleash World Cutting Slash without any restrictions. He literally used Megumi's very soul as a shield to protect himself from Gojo's Domain Expansion, he literally used Hana's feelings for Megumi for him to get close enough to deliver a killing blow to Angel (although she was saved by the Comedian Cursed Technique), etc. I don't know what Sukuna you know that would, for some reason, see an opportunity to sit back and collect information on his opponent and simply throw it away to fight head on like a dumbass.

And even if we ignore ALL of this, that IS in character for Sukuna, he also can simply drown Muzan in his shadow. Muzan has no cursed energy to stay afloat and ignore Ten Shadows liquid shadows' property. Muzan has no way of getting out, and even though he is immortal and wouldn't die, he would never be able to get out of there since you just sink deeper and deeper into the shadows once you're in.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

Not gonna get into how this works, the Shikigami's movements are far more inferior to the Hashira or Sukuna, Muzan's senses should let him dodge fine.

Once again, speed is equalized, and all the shikigamis are enhanced by Sukuna's cursed energy, to the point were they were able to keep up with Gojo and Sukuna. Not only that, but Muzan cannot see the shikigamis, although I agree he can sense them, so even if they "were inferior", it wouldn't matter as Muzan won't be able to tell when it's Wolf Totality coming to mawl him, when Agito is going to eletrocute him, when the Rabbits are going to swarm him, nor when Mahoraga is going to come crashing down on his head. So yeah, that argument doesn't work here, even more when you consider that no matter what Muzan does, he won't be able to hurt or get them off of him.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Demons have no resistance to poisons, as we see wisteria being effective on them. so that still doesn't prove that Muzan's poison has layers to it. Sukuna has been proven to be immune to Eso and Kechizu's technique, so if anything, Sukuna would still have time to use RCT on himself for him to regenerate from it. And even if it hit him, he probably could just cut off the affected area before it could spread through his body. Slayers couldn't do this since they couldn't regenerate, but not only Sukuna has already shown to being fine with cutting his own body parts off to preserve his life, but he also is stated again and again to be really knowledgeable about poisons and toxins (he is the king of all poisons, after all).

Upper moons have resistances to poisons as demons such as Gyutaro have resisted wisteria. Demons such as Douma are capable of resisting Wisteria that can kill a demon 700 times over.
Poison Manipulation (Superior to strong demons who have high poison resistance. Should be far superior to Gyutaro who shook off a poison dosage that would paralyze an ordinary demon for half a day within moments, and would have been able to eventually adapt to poison strong enough to kill the average demon seven hundred times over)
Muzan's bio hax blood is capable of killing the upper moons who are highly resistant to poisons and nothing in the series states they are resistant to it. They are only capable of withstanding the bio hax effects with their adaption. Even then, it's still a slight chance for them to even adapt to it. The Twelve Kizukis who have high amounts of Muzan's blood such as Lower Moon 1 are still incapable of withstanding it. The only demons who have resistance to muzan's blood such as Kokushibo and Kaigaku are only resistant to it because of Total Concentration Breathing, not because of their demonic body or high poison resistance. Its also only listed as a resistance to Biological deconstruction on their profiles rather than a justification to their poison resistance that they biologically already have, meaning only total concentration breathing in the series is capable of withstanding the effects of Muzan's bio hax.

Fastest, not the most efficient RCT user. Hakari has the fastest RCT purely because, when in jackpot, he generates an infinite amount of cursed energy. His body, by having an infinite amount of cursed energy, starts doing RCT by itself. The reason it's so fast is because he has an unlimited amount of it. He isn't smart about it's usage, and in that scene you sent, the problem was that Hakari's body was doing it automatically, it wasn't Hakari, by his own will, choosing to expel the toxins from his body. If that was Sukuna, even though his RCT isn't fast like Hakari, he would be able to identify what was the problem and deal with it way faster because of his experience and better usage of RCT. Sukuna does it consciously, Hakari doesn't.
Also, as I mentioned, Sukuna probably would be able to see that Muzan's blood is toxic before it became a problem. I really don't know where y'all got the idea that Sukuna would just stand there and let himself be hit by the his blood. Even when Sukuna doesn't recognize his opponents as worthy, he always avoids their moves and goes for the kill instantly.

Sukuna has no capabilities of being capable of removing toxins with his RCT and the only showing of this was Hakari's automatic RCT and him subconsciously removing the toxins after several seconds. Even if we assume he can via Yuta's showings, we have absolutely zero idea how long would it take for him to identify and remove muzan's bio hax (if he even can). Sukuna would not be able to detect Muzan's blood being a problem. Slayers like Tanjiro who passively has resistance to muzan's blood due to total concentration breathing are shown still being affected by it. The effects of muzan's bio hax crippled Tanjiro to the ground shortly after getting stabbed a few times by Muzan.

The effects of Muzan's blood wasn't a gradual process and there wasn't any way for Tanjiro to detect Muzan's Blood hax. The effects came at full force all at once after spreading throughout his entire body and completely crippled Tanjiro to "death". Sukuna would not be able to detect it. Keep in mind Tanjiro has a higher passive resistance to Muzan's bio hax than normal breathing users due to having total concentration breathing constant. His resistance upscales from Kaigaku who was stated that it would take him several days to become a demon despite willingly wanting to become one. He doesnt even have total concentration breathing constant either. It was also stated by Kokushibo that it takes massive amounts of Muzan's blood and several days to actually affect total concentration breathing users. Considering that Tanjiro with higher resistance was crippled by only 3 slashes, each slash contained massive amounts of Muzan's blood to actually pull that off and he did it really easily. Also, Sukuna wouldn't even know muzan's attacks are coated in his blood or know that his blood can do that. So no, Sukuna cannot resist or detect Muzan's blood in time.

 

[Robo432343]

Speed amps are allowed in speed equalized matches

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Even if the blood gets into an arm or leg of Sukua, he would chop it off if needed and regenerate it. Sukuna CAN and has shown to drop into his shadows through Ten Shadows whenever he is in danger. So even if he was hit with Muzan's blood, he can just drop into his shadows, let his shikigamis fight Muzan (who cannot damage the shikigamis) and expel the blood from his body and regenerate there, cut off any body parts that are "too far gone" and all of that.

Muzan's blood instantly spreads throughout the entire body so cutting off his body parts do not matter as his entire body is already infected. Even then, this is under the assumption that Muzan only stabs his arms and legs. Whos to say the first stab is to his gut or head. He cant cut it off now can he.

Also, even if he BFR's Mahoraga, Sukuna can always unsummon and summon him again. All shikigamis can travel through shadows and submerge in them to respawn in another shadow, as we already saw Megumi do. Muzan only got one shot to kill Sukuna once the fight starts, and if he doesn't kill him right there, Sukuna simply goes into his shadows and lets Mahoraga deal with Muzan.
Honestly, compared to Muzan's single chance of killing Sukuna before he goes into the shadows, Sukuna can win by simply waiting until Mahoraga adaptates, so I'm voting Sukuna. BFR wouldn't work on Mahoraga unless Sukuna himself was BFR, but Muzan never started a fight by BFRing anyone.

The first ever time Muzan has ever appeared to fight in the series, he BFRd everyone into the infinity fortress. Yoriichi fight does not count since Nakime didnt exist yet.

Honestly if the BFR is a wincon, what just stops him from BFRing Sukuna into the infinity fortress? Even if it isnt, what stops Muzan from forcing them to fight in the infinity fortress and constantly shifting/teleporting his shikigamis across the infinity fortress? Couldn't he also just shift/teleport himself away from any danger such as his domain expansion with his control over the dimension? Honestly he could even just exit the infinity fortress or teleport Sukuna out of it while Sukuna launches a divine flames that is amped with malevolent shrine.

 

[Arkenis]

Once again, speed is equalized,

Doesn't mean people can't dodge lol.

and all the shikigamis are enhanced by Sukuna's cursed energy, to the point were they were able to keep up with Gojo and Sukuna.

Hashira > Gojo and Sukuna.

Not only that, but Muzan cannot see the shikigamis, although I agree he can sense them, so even if they "were inferior", it wouldn't matter as Muzan won't be able to tell when it's Wolf Totality coming to mawl him, when Agito is going to eletrocute him, when the Rabbits are going to swarm him, nor when Mahoraga is going to come crashing down on his head. So yeah, that argument doesn't work here, even more when you consider that no matter what Muzan does, he won't be able to hurt or get them off of him.

Muzan was already in this exact situation you're arguing and he won against the Hashira.

The adaptation starts the moment something affects Mahoraga. Getting hit by the same thing again just accelerates it. No one who fought Muzan in the final fight has more experience than Muzan. He literally is adapted to fighting multiple opponents who can regenerate, guarantee hits agaisnt him, who have attacks that can instantly kill him and even so he still always defeated them. Tanjiro and most of the Pillars have literally less than 10 years of experience as fighters, what are you talking about? Muzan couldn't instantly hit and kill a weakened and blind Obanai, who held him off by himself. And once again, speed is equalized. Muzan never starts his fights by going all out, so your point doesn't make any sense. Sukuna can instantly slice Muzan from far away without even moving and without Muzan even realizing it. Then he would see Muzan regenerating without using Cursed Energy, and instantly Sukuna would try to understand it and be cautious, like he has ALWAYS shown to be. Muzan never starts his fights by instantly whipping down a random guy he sees on the street.

I'm gonna assume you mean Sukuna? Sukuna doesn't have the experience the Hashira have but regardless Muzan couldn't kill Obanai cuz he was poisoned during this whole fight and the poison started becoming effected more.

Muzan never starts his fights by instantly whipping down a random guy he sees on the street.

Yeah he's not on the street, he's in a VSbattle match where the characters are ready to fight. Unless you're Ubuyashiki, Muzan is killing you right away.

Once he realizes the normal shikigamis cannot kill Muzan, he WON'T come out. If cutting down Muzan doesn't work, it tearing his body apart doesn't work, electrocuting him to death doesn't work, and nor does stomping and drowning him, Sukuna will realize it's dangerous to expose himself for no reason. And since Muzan also cannot damage his shikigamis, he literally will see that he can just let Mahoraga out until he adapts and gets an adaptation that ***** Muzan up.

Didn't fight this way against Gojo who he knew he couldn't do anything against besides wait for the adaptation to finish.

You have to understand that this fight is different than anything Sukuna has ever seen,

He literally has no idea what type of fight it will be lol.