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Naruto revision: The size of Kaguya's dimensions

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The ETSO has been highballed to oblivion in the last few years, which is fine, but now it's reaching territories that are pushing boundaries.
So I am here to be a goober hopefully rectify an error.

Kaguya's Dimensions Are Planets​

Usually the Amenominaka databook scan is utilized to attempt to debunk the space-times being solar systems/universes or whatever, but it repeatedly is countered.
But @Arc7Kuroi managed to translate the scan for me.
Raws. Translation.

Bold text: 自由無碍に空間を紡ぐ開眼せし始祖の神通力!!!
Spinning space freely without obstacles, the enlightened progenitor’s divine power!!!

Text on right side of page: 「輪廻写輪眼」を持ったカグヤが使う術。瞬時に己のいる世界を周りの者共々、別の空間へと移すことができる。移動できるのは、溶岩、氷、超重力、砂、酸の空間でありこの玉つの空間は、始球空間から直接繋がっている。発動すると、大量のチャクラが消費されるので膨大な力を持つ彼女にしかできない瞳術なのだ
The technique used by Kaguya, who holds the “Rinnesharingan”. It makes it possible to instantly transport the world in which she exists alongside those around her to a different space. The spaces that can be transported to are spaces of lava, ice, extreme gravity, sand, and acid; these orb like spaces are directly connected to the root space. Activating this technique requires a large quantity of chakra, and because of that it’s a doujutsu that only one with her colossal power can perform

Text on the left side of the page: 別の空間に強制的に引きずり込む。抗う術はなくそこから元の空間に自分で戻ることは不可能。恐るべき術だ。
Forcibly pulling those into a difference space. You cannot resist this technique and it’s impossible to go back to the original space yourself. It is a terrifying technique.
In this translation, the worlds shape is defined.
The spaces that can be transported to are spaces of lava, ice, extreme gravity, sand, and acid; these orb like spaces are directly connected to the root space.
"Orb like spaces", like planets. P.S., Solar Systems aren't shaped like Orbs. They don't even have shapes.
Clarification, it appears the app I used to rip the kanji from the databook ripped the wrong kanji. Thanks to cyber for catching this lol. The part that I translated as orb-like spaces should say “5 spaces”. The kanji in the scan is 五 not 玉. So my honest mistake there and I apologize.

Again the correct translation is “these 5 spaces” not “these orb-like spaces”. I don’t think that changes anyone’s arguments, but hopefully that helps everyone move past the “orb shape” point 👍
Nevermind on that point

And it's specified that the "spaces" are spaces of "lava, ice, extreme gravity, sand, and acid". This doesn't include any external factor like space or stars or moons, but specifically those planets that are known by their elemental attributes.

Instead of using the current calculation that utilizes the entire solar system distance (mainly just the earth to sun, but still), we can instead use a planet by itself.

Bonus: Timeframe Nuke​

We currently try to find the output per second of Kaguya's TSO in order to see her regular ninjutsu statistics. Understandable and valid to an extent.
Our current calculation of Kaguya's feat says that she will expand a truthseeking orb over 300 million kilometers, or 300,000,000,000 meters, over less than 2 hours, or 7,200 seconds.
Simple math says that this is expanding at 41,666,666.6667 m/s, or 0.138985c.
AKA, every time a second passes, the ETSO expands 3.2 earths in 1 direction.

Besides the fact that the ETSO got a headstart in its expansion, it makes no logical sense. As the ETSO in dozens of seconds was smaller than the created moon which was a far cry from the final product of the newly created moon that was the size of our moon.

Saying that Kaguya's ETSO would've expanded to the sun in 2 hours is saying that it can cover earth distances in milliseconds. An entire chapter passed and it didn't even reach the size of a neighborhood.

Regardless of if the first part doesn't work, there is no reason as to why this timeframe aspect should stand.

Conclusion​

Kaguya's dimensions are planet sized, and the 2 hour timeframe needs to be updated if it continues to talk about solar systems.

Agree: UchihaSlayer96, Reiner04
Disagree:
Neutral:
 
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Idk about the Timeframe but the Dimensions aren’t solely planet sized, obviously. At bear minimum we know they are large enough to hold a planet, orbiting moon, & “Star Like” celestial body and have day/night cycles, all of which “can” fit in a Orb-Like Dimension.

The core description of the Realms isn’t (Ice, Lava, Gravity, etc) isn’t context free.
 
is that it? the whole argument is trying to use one databook statement calling them orbs to say theyre planets across space? nothing stops them from being spherical self contained pocket dimensions
 
"Orb like spaces", like planets. P.S., Solar Systems aren't shaped like Orbs. They don't even have shapes.
And it's specified that the "spaces" are spaces of "lava, ice, extreme gravity, sand, and acid". This doesn't include any external factor like space or stars or moons, but specifically those planets that are known by their elemental attributes.

Instead of using the current calculation that utilizes the entire solar system distance (mainly just the earth to sun, but still), we can instead use a planet by itself.
Why would orb like spaces = planets? It could easily be a spherical space that contains a solar system and still fit the description without any contradictions.

To visualize what I'm saying, imagine a big glass sphere with a ball in the middle and a smaller ball on its edge. This construct resembles a solar system and is still in a "orb like space".

So saying it must be just a planet seems like a huge assumption to make, especially given we see moons and stars in certain dimensions.
Saying that Kaguya's ETSO would've expanded to the sun in 2 hours is saying that it can cover earth distances in milliseconds. An entire chapter passed and it didn't even reach the size of a neighborhood.

Regardless of if the first part doesn't work, there is no reason as to why this timeframe aspect should stand.
ETSO barely existed for not even an entire chapter and had at least FTL+ characters actively trying to avoid its expansion.

So ETSO being 0.1c is in no way a contradiction of anything and actually just supports the current speed values.
 
Idk about the Timeframe but the Dimensions aren’t solely planet sized, obviously. At bear minimum we know they are large enough to hold a planet, orbiting moon, & “Star Like” celestial body and have day/night cycles, all of which “can” fit in a Orb-Like Dimension.

The core description of the Realms isn’t (Ice, Lava, Gravity, etc) isn’t context free.
Well not necessarily. Dimensions don't really need to be spatiotemporally isolated in order for them to be... dimensions.
At the end of the day, they're spatially separated places.
 
Why would orb like spaces = planets? It could easily be a spherical space that contains a solar system and still fit the description without any contradictions.

To visualize what I'm saying, imagine a big glass sphere with a ball in the middle and a smaller ball on its edge. This construct resembles a solar system and is still in a "orb like space".
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Why would orb like spaces = planets? It could easily be a spherical space that contains a solar system and still fit the description without any contradictions.

To visualize what I'm saying, imagine a big glass sphere with a ball in the middle and a smaller ball on its edge. This construct resembles a solar system and is still in a "orb like space".

So saying it must be just a planet seems like a huge assumption to make, especially given we see moons and stars in certain dimensions.
See the response to NeoKingofLight above
ETSO barely existed for not even an entire chapter and had at least FTL+ characters actively trying to avoid its expansion.

So ETSO being 0.1c is in no way a contradiction of anything and actually just supports the current speed values.
I can't name more than 2 people in this entire verse who have FTL travel/movement speed. They can punch FTL. None of them are outrunning it.

That doesn't support the speed values at all. None of them are running or flying at the speed of light.
 
I disagree too, if Naruto and Sasuke can create a moon in one of those dimensions then they aren't just the size of planet. And it's not like the dimensions are just fully made of a single element we know they have an atmosphere which they can fly at will, and it's an actual planet as we saw it's curvature. It's like say Earth is just made of earth, it's just the name given to those dimensions.

When you calc the speed of expansion fo the orb you are getting an average speed of the expansion which we don't know if it actually expands always at the same speed, it could start slow and then becoming much faster than average speed we got from it.
 
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You literally just found an image online with the universe having a "border"
 
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Clearly planet size. Try again
 
I disagree too, if Naruto and Sasuke can create a moon in one of those dimensions then they aren't just the size of planet. And it's not like the dimensions are just fully made of a single element we know they have an atmosphere which they can fly at will, and it's an actual planet as we saw it's curvature. It's like say Earth is just made of earth, it's just the name given to those dimensions.
You do realize a planet is also comprised of its atmosphere. The moon is around 3000 km wide. The atmosphere is 10000 km tall. It could easily fit.
When you calc the speed of expansion fo the orb you are getting an average speed of the expansion which we don't know if it actually expands always at the same speed, it could start slow and then becoming much faster than average speed we got from it.
I understand what you're saying but no. Assuming the velocity changes is a big assumption in itself. Then saying that it could even get faster might honestly be contradicted, since the longer it goes, the less chakra there is to fuel it, and the slower it'll be in contrast. If anything it'd grow even slower
 
(Thanks for the name Alex)

Intro​

I'm BACK.
giphy.gif


Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.

The ETSO has been highballed to oblivion in the last few years, which is fine, but now it's reaching territories that are pushing boundaries.
So I am here to be a goober hopefully rectify an error.

Kaguya's Dimensions Are Planets​

Usually the Amenominaka databook scan is utilized to attempt to debunk the space-times being solar systems/universes or whatever, but it repeatedly is countered.
But @Arc7Kuroi managed to translate the scan for me.
Raws. Translation.


In this translation, the worlds shape is defined.

"Orb like spaces", like planets. P.S., Solar Systems aren't shaped like Orbs. They don't even have shapes.
And it's specified that the "spaces" are spaces of "lava, ice, extreme gravity, sand, and acid". This doesn't include any external factor like space or stars or moons, but specifically those planets that are known by their elemental attributes.

Instead of using the current calculation that utilizes the entire solar system distance (mainly just the earth to sun, but still), we can instead use a planet by itself.

Bonus: Timeframe Nuke​

We currently try to find the output per second of Kaguya's TSO in order to see her regular ninjutsu statistics. Understandable and valid to an extent.
Our current calculation of Kaguya's feat says that she will expand a truthseeking orb over 300 million kilometers, or 300,000,000,000 meters, over less than 2 hours, or 7,200 seconds.
Simple math says that this is expanding at 41,666,666.6667 m/s, or 0.138985c.
AKA, every time a second passes, the ETSO expands 3.2 earths in 1 direction.

Besides the fact that the ETSO got a headstart in its expansion, it makes no logical sense. As the ETSO in dozens of seconds was smaller than the created moon which was a far cry from the final product of the newly created moon that was the size of our moon.

Saying that Kaguya's ETSO would've expanded to the sun in 2 hours is saying that it can cover earth distances in milliseconds. An entire chapter passed and it didn't even reach the size of a neighborhood.

Regardless of if the first part doesn't work, there is no reason as to why this timeframe aspect should stand.

Conclusion​

Kaguya's dimensions are planet sized, and the 2 hour timeframe needs to be updated if it continues to talk about solar systems.

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:
Firstly before We engage with this, we need an official translation from the Wiki translation team.
 
Firstly before We engage with this, we need an official translation from the Wiki translation team.
I can explain any relevant part of my translation if people like 👍 I didn’t translate that databook scan for this thread in particular, I translated it probably a year ago or sumn lol

But yeah if anyone needs clarification on parts of the translation let me know
 
See the response to NeoKingofLight above
It doesn't seem to address why would a spherical space be incapable of containing a solar system. (unless I'm not reading the right response, then my bad)
I can't name more than 2 people in this entire verse who have FTL travel/movement speed. They can punch FTL. None of them are outrunning it.
The 22c comes from Kakashi outrunning lightning across an entire battlefield and the 6 paths tier characters being "several orders of magnitude faster".

So yes they very much are outrunning it here. The distance they had to travel was relatively short, and they flied towards each other with Kaguya (effectively halfing the time).
That doesn't support the speed values at all. None of them are running or flying at the speed of light.
What evidence implies they're incapable of flying couple dozen meters at full speed here? Seems like the current interpretation of the feat proves they can and I'm not aware of anything that would contradict that.
 
I can explain any relevant part of my translation if people like 👍 I didn’t translate that databook scan for this thread in particular, I translated it probably a year ago or sumn lol

But yeah if anyone needs clarification on parts of the translation let me know
No we need the Databook translation because the whole CRT is predicated on it. Don't explain anything.
 
Dunno about sphere argument (neutral) Actually yea I agree since the attributed regions. I also think the 2 hour time frame is a bit wack yea and people automatically assuming absolutely every single moment is happening at super fast speeds.
 
I mean your whole “debunk” is based on it being a certain shape , when shape genuinely doesn’t contradict anything
It said "a space of lava. Orb like space." are you gonna try to tell me the "orb like space of lava" is really just 7e-12% of the actual dimension.

The entire debunk is saying that the "space" is a space of lava, ice, sand, etc. That is the entire realm.
You're trying to say "well the dimension is actually 13 trillion times larger than the "space of lava" that the dimension is stated to be".
then quote the actual arguments instead of the one made for visualizing 😭
You have no genuine arguments wth
 
No shot. This is literally trash. Orb shape = planet.
Sorry, my mistake, they are not even planet-sized.

But seriously, I see no evidence why it should be the solar system, as shown in the CRT, it is explained to be "sphere spaces", each having its own elements.

For example, one of these sphere spaces is entirely filled with Lava, so why do we assume it also has a sun(star) in the same place?

To me, it seems to be an entire dimension out of an element, that is described as being spherical, so why do we need to "disprove" anything that has no real evidence of in the first place?
 
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