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Izuku Midoriya (Deku) Vs Asta (MHA vs Black Clover) [8-1-0] (GRACE)

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Izuku Midoriya (Final Act) Vs Asta (Post-Timeskip)

Final War Arc Deku will be used
Attack Potency: 2.542 Exatons, 12.71 Exatons with Fa Jin
Durability: 2.542 Exatons
Lifting Strength: Class P
Speed: 0.6227c

Spade Kingdom Raid Arc Asta will be used
Attack Potency: 1.782 Exatons
Durability: 1.782 Exatons
Lifting Strength: Class Z
Speed: 0.89c. 1.78c (Possibly outdated)

Deku starts off at 100%
Asta starts off in True Devil Union
Speed Unequalized
Fight location: Mount Fuji
Both in character but will do anything to win
Starting Distance: SBA
Battle Music

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Deku: @Kingofwolves999 @XSOULOFCINDERX @StorytellingDemonKing @speedster352 @TegamiBachi25 @Shadowslaya! @MintyBoi1 @Robo432343
Asta: @PHANtomFELdway

Mineta solos both:
 
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Not gonna really participate here but... Why not unequalize speed? I don't see the reason to bother with it when Asta wouldn't have a blitz-worthy speed advantage. Especially considering he already has the AP disadvantage. It also makes Deku's speed amps less cheese.
 
Cielsea said:
what can asta do against deku using gearshift + fa jin?
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He should be able to keep up with precog, information analysis, Extrasensory Perception, Enhanced Senses, and instinctive reaction. His reactive power level would allow him to keep growing stronger and stronger if Deku doesn't end it quick. Although, Asta would only have 5 minutes to pull off the win through reactive power level due to his time limit for True devil union.


LaserPrecision said:
Not gonna really participate here but... Why not unequalize speed? I don't see the reason to bother with it when Asta wouldn't have a blitz-worthy speed advantage. Especially considering he already has the AP disadvantage. It also makes Deku's speed amps less cheese.
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Sure. I can do that. Its unequal now.
 
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Imma wait until my thread gets accepted or rejected until I give my input, I don’t see why Asta wouldn’t just passively powernull most of his abilities into oblivion
 
Spinoirr said:
It's not magic, it's biological
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Not really relevant as


1.)anti magic negates energy in general, and without energy, magic falls apart,so it isn’t limited to magic.(tho I should wait since this is part of my thread)

2.)magic in black clover is literally part of the soul
 
Didn’t BC’s FTL speed get nuked and they’re all Rela+? Also Deku scales above that 0.6227 so speed unequal they should be damn near the exact same.

Also there’s no way you can equalize Mana and Quirks, there is no system in place for Quirks that is remotely similar to how things work in BC. It’d be like saying Asta should be able to negate the powers of Mutants from X-Men because they are Magic.
 
PHANtomFELdway said:
Not really relevant as


1.)anti magic negates energy in general, and without energy, magic falls apart,so it isn’t limited to magic.(tho I should wait since this is part of my thread)

2.)magic in black clover is literally part of the soul
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Quirks are biological. They are the physical extensions of a person's body.

Furthermore, attacks that require a special type of energy to be effective, like anti-magic requiring magic, will be assumed to work against the energies of different Verses, as long as they are somehow similar and the mechanics are somehow compatible with the known mechanics behind the energies from different Verses

Quirks are not tied to any special energy like mana and both verses do not have power systems remotely similar.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Didn’t BC’s FTL speed get nuked and they’re all Rela+? Also Deku scales above that 0.6227 so speed unequal they should be damn near the exact same.

Also there’s no way you can equalize Mana and Quirks, there is no system in place for Quirks that is remotely similar to how things work in BC. It’d be like saying Asta should be able to negate the powers of Mutants from X-Men because they are Magic.
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Asta is currently scaled 2x faster than this feat on his profile so hes still FTL atleast
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
I distinctly remember the verse in its entirety getting capped to light speed because final arc Yami is still slower than light speed
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I know what you're talking about. The same CRT that got them downgraded also had this for the result

True Devil Union Asta currently scales to this

Edit: it was this thread whoops
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
I know what you're talking about. The same CRT that got them downgraded also had this for the result

True Devil Union Asta currently scales to this

Edit: it was this thread whoops
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Yeah the second thread (made after that first one) is where the verse got capped to light speed. That Morgen guy is faster than this version of Asta and he moves at Lightspeed.

I think no one just changed the profiles because Final Arc still happening, but Asta by CRT is capped at Rela+ due to verse wide cap.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Yeah the second thread (made after that first one) is where the verse got capped to light speed. That Morgen guy is faster than this version of Asta and he moves at Lightspeed.

I think no one just changed the profiles because Final Arc still happening, but Asta by CRT is capped at Rela+ due to verse wide cap.
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So basically does this mean True Devil Union Asta scaling 2x faster is outdated in the notes section and just scales to 0.89c via this feat
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Quirks are biological. They are the physical extensions of a person's body.
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Is this somehow supposed to stop astas attacks that work on the soul? Or stop him from negating someone’s lifeforce energy?
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Furthermore, attacks that require a special type of energy to be effective, like anti-magic requiring magic, will be assumed to work against the energies of different Verses, as long as they are somehow similar and the mechanics are somehow compatible with the known mechanics behind the energies from different Verses

Quirks are not tied to any special energy like mana and both verses do not have power systems remotely similar.
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Would life force not be equalized? And therefore asta would be able to just negate deku stamina?
 
PHANtomFELdway said:
Is this somehow supposed to stop astas attacks that work on the soul? Or stop him from negating someone’s lifeforce energy?

Would life force not be equalized? And therefore asta would be able to just negate deku stamina?
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His attacks on the soul and life force things operate on the idea that someone has Mana. Mana in BC is tied to the soul, quite literally their entire verse operates on that logic.

Deku would be an anomaly in that his soul and the vestiges of OFA would have no mana in the first place since the verses are hyper incompatible in terms of power systems. MHA is based on the real world and thus there is no magic to negate or baseline energy structure that rules everything.

So any of Asta’s attacks that deal with negating magic or Mana won’t do anything since Deku doesn’t have any of that in the first place. The verses are just very incompatible in terms of Mana to Quirks (which are just genetic mutations to normal real world people).
 
PHANtomFELdway said:
Is this somehow supposed to stop astas attacks that work on the soul? Or stop him from negating someone’s lifeforce energy?

Would life force not be equalized? And therefore asta would be able to just negate deku stamina?
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No. They're entirely different power systems and MHA quirks do not operate anywhere similar to Mana. The verse equalization equivalent would be a power system like Ki from Dragon Ball. Anti magic would be capable of negating that. Previous versus threads regarding Deku Vs Asta have also acknowledged this like this and this
 
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Kingofwolves999 said:
Yeah the second thread (made after that first one) is where the verse got capped to light speed. That Morgen guy is faster than this version of Asta and he moves at Lightspeed.
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This is genuinely some BS, his attacks move at lightspeed, which Yami had literally no trouble dodging or blocking, he literally moved faster than it,

It wasn’t the speed of the attack he was struggling with, as he Morgan simply had too much power, his output was so much that all he could do was block, but couldn’t absorb it with black moon he was easily blocking and dodging light, and even got to a place faster than it and then blocked it. Regardless his speed> his attacks,
Kingofwolves999 said:
I think no one just changed the profiles because Final Arc still happening, but Asta by CRT is capped at Rela+ due to verse wide cap.
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Asta is faster than Yami…. And he literally has a 20x zetten amp
 
PHANtomFELdway said:
This is genuinely some BS, his attacks move at lightspeed, which Yami had literally no trouble dodging or blocking, he literally moved faster than it,

It wasn’t the speed of the attack he was struggling with, as he Morgan simply had too much power, his output was so much that all he could do was block, but couldn’t absorb it with black moon he was easily blocking and dodging light, and even got to a place faster than it and then blocked it. Regardless his speed> his attacks,

Asta is faster than Yami…. And he literally has a 20x zetten amp
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Zetten 20x amp is strength only.

Other than that read the CRT, all that stuff got addressed pretty sure.
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Would appreciate if you guys talk about who would win between these two keys of Deku and Asta. :)
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So soul based attacks don’t work? I feel like this is just BS,need to get a mod in here,

Would be better if i get my thread done, since then asta could possibly have spatial manip with Yamis sword, which wouldn’t be based on it,

Actually if my thread gets accepted, the. What resistance would deku have to cm/law manip

Or be able to affect acasualty type 4?


(I will come back if this thread is still open when my thread is over, kinda derailing rn)
 
Assuming the light speed cap, Deku’s 2x strength advantage gets really good usage. Asta is faster but with Danger Sense, Deku can defend himself as Asta doesn’t resist Extrasensory Perception for his hostility. Add on that Deku’s Mid Gauntlets and Iron Soles have higher durability than his 100% and he can deflect, block and avoid the sword attacks to not get skewered.

Asta’s actual training and swordsmanship is better than Deku’s personal fighting style, but that’s all he has going for him since all of his anti magic doesn’t work. He would have to overwhelm Deku’s ability to defend himself and reactive fighting style, which is difficult. Deku has encountered people whose movements he was not able to predict, only to adapt and predict them mere moments later, as his genius intellect is specifically tailored to getting better analysis mid fight. He would eventually be able to better handle Asta’s fighting style.

That, of course, is ignoring the fact that at any point in time, Deku can activate Gearshift and completely one shot Asta with a fully charged Fa Jin, which is a move he would probably go for very quickly given Asta is actually a threat to him at 100% power. Gearshift amp would let him outspeed and constantly shifting his velocity would throw off Asta’s counter attacks. His individual attacks already hit harder than Asta’s do, so a spammable 7x attack to his head and chest from an opponent with higher speed and great defenses is putting Asta down.

Asta’s Ki would probably be the best bet in avoiding Deku, but Deku has experience with people fast enough to keep up with Gearshift and with the ability to know his location. Smokescreen isn’t typically useful, but utilizing it in quick bursts and counter predicting Asta’s reaction to knowing his location to land a full force hit by threatening him from several directions with Blackwhip attacks could be the decisive move.

So I’ll vote Deku High Diff. He’s unaffected by everything from Asta except his swordsmanship, the speed gap isn’t super high + Danger Sense not being resisted + his Mid Gauntlet/Iron Soles as shields for the swords means he has the means to survive and assess the threat, and Asta will eventually get taken down when Deku activates Gearshift to start pressuring his own Ki sensing and prediction by limiting his vision and throwing enough attacks at him, or just out thinking Asta’s counterattacks with constant velocity shifting to land a 7x amped punch that is already capable of one shotting people on Deku’s own level like Shigaraki.
 
Also Deku can reactively create Blackwhip layers as shields to dull the slash or stab attacks if they get through his own defenses, so he always has a way to prevent Asta from killing him quickly. His experience with already fighting someone that can always know where he is, is as fast or faster than him in Gearshift AND has a Danger Sense like ability helps him a lot here.

Shigaraki literally took Danger Sense from Deku and he just adapted to the handicap, still having the ability to one shot kill him through superior tactics and using his sensory abilities against him. Should be similar here with Asta and Ki, assuming Asta can even adapt to the Gearshift amp/velocity shifts before getting one shot by Overdrive.
 
Why is it that asta powers won’t work? But something like the which queen or the which that steals people lifeforce work when they work the same,

Why can someone like magna and luck use attacks that affect the soul cross verse, but for some reason Asta can’t,even more so when attacking the soul comes from forbidden magic and not from being anti magic,

Literally some dumb shi like saying “no spiritual pressure “

Or if I said zagred solos cause if he has way more magic than you, he can tell you to die,and they have no mana so can’t resist
 
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