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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

I prefer Frontiers & Shadow Generation scripts over Lost World & Forces and whatnot, but it is kinda true that Ian works better when fleshing out Sonic Team's script over creating stories. It worked for Archie Sonic, but Game Sonic does feel little off in IDW vs games directly, even with Evan too. It is jarring how IDW just avoided Shadow while Sonic Team made him go beat Metal Overlord lol

There are the other nuanced things that Ian does that arent great, too many references, some characters etc. but ngl removing Ian might make game scripts worse, so Id stick with current methods for now. Tho IDW will probably never go beyond average unless writing team evolves, which is unfortunate.
If Ian's gonna get booted out, it would take him either writing a huge, poorly received flop, or he does something genuinely really bad. For now? He's kinda here to stay given the successful stuff he writes for.
 
Sonic Team created a basic outline where Ian then filled in the blanks, and weaved it into a cohesive story with Sonic Team assistance. Then after that, Kishimoto readjusted his script back to the Japanese audience and fit their sensibilities better. Or, something like that I think. Ian was put on a leash pretty much.
So it’s Sonic Team’s story. Glad we can agree on objective facts
 
The movies reach a far larger audience than comics and games though, to my understanding. I also can't think of any movie quotes beyond "konnichi-whaaaaa" unfortunately
“The light shines, even though the star is gone” is more iconic than anything Ian wrote by himself.

I meant positive iconic lines. Ironically most of Ian's iconic lines are infamous like "cowards run, I win."
 
Well, Super Sonic beating Big Zavok was kind of referenced in Frontiers DLC. So at least a moment was referenced.

I was gonna say Mephiles lines in ShadGens, but iirc Ian said he kept most of Sonic Team lines?
 
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Well, Super Sonic beating Big Zavok was kind if referenced in Frontiers DLC. So at least a moment was referenced.

I was gonna say Mephiles lines in ShadGens, but iirc Ian said he kept most of Sonic Team lines?
All Sonic Team, admitted by the man himself.
 
Side note, but wonder if those newly published paperback books they're doing somehow have anything decent in them. IDK about how canon they are though.
 
Ian Flynn, despite his issues, is prolly the best writer we've had for a while and it's going to be as good as we're going to get for a while. Not to excuse complacence, by that's simply the truth. It's bittersweet, but what can you do. I won't defend people engaging in egregious hate campaigns against him like how the rabid fanbase does a lot. Fanbase feels all-too familiar to the earlier days of the fandom. Might be even worse due to more access to the web people have.
 
Tbh can we at least agree Ian is in an unenviable position? Not trying to root for him (negatively or positively) or anything but let's face facts there's a very small list of people in this world that would truly want to have thousands of Sonic fans watching and listening to almost everything you have to say about the franchise while dealing with the aftermath for years.
 
Tbh can we at least agree Ian is in an unenviable position? Not trying to root for him (negatively or positively) or anything but let's face facts there's a very small list of people in this world that would truly want to have thousands of Sonic fans watching and listening to almost everything you have to say about the franchise while dealing with the aftermath for years.
Yeah, I'd rather take a shortcut to the ground from the top of the Empire State Building than have to deal with Sonic fans of all people. At least the general braindead fanbase than the actual sane ones.
 
Ian Flynn, despite his issues, is prolly the best writer we've had for a while and it's going to be as good as we're going to get for a while. Not to excuse complacence, by that's simply the truth. It's bittersweet, but what can you do. I won't defend people engaging in egregious hate campaigns against him like how the rabid fanbase does a lot. Fanbase feels all-too familiar to the earlier days of the fandom. Might be even worse due to more access to the web people have.
Eitaro Toyoda's better than him, even if he hasn't properly done a story for the games yet beyond episode Shadow, and localizing Shadow Gens. That said, I acknowledge Ian for the foreseeable future is probably just here to stay. He's struggling in many regards, but there's no sign he's heading off from the series soon, especially when he's attached to successful stuff.
 
Just ignore the comics. It's not like they're ever gonna have any bearing on the games. At least with the games, we know Sonic Team scrutinizes Ian's every pen-to-paper
 
“The light shines, even though the star is gone” is more iconic than anything Ian wrote by himself.
Personally, I've never heard this dialogue online, though. Like, both in the fanbase and out of it, from everything in Movie 3 this isn't really something I've seen referenced or talked about.
 
Tbh can we at least agree Ian is in an unenviable position? Not trying to root for him (negatively or positively) or anything but let's face facts there's a very small list of people in this world that would truly want to have thousands of Sonic fans watching and listening to almost everything you have to say about the franchise while dealing with the aftermath for years.
Some people truly don't care, sadly. But those people are the minds that shouldn't be minded, thankfully.
 
Eitaro Toyoda's better than him, even if he hasn't properly done a story for the games yet beyond episode Shadow, and localizing Shadow Gens. That said, I acknowledge Ian for the foreseeable future is probably just here to stay. He's struggling in many regards, but there's no sign he's heading off from the series soon, especially when he's attached to successful stuff.
It is what it is. If he can crank out some good? Good. If he can't? Well, it isn't like the fandom would change all too much. They're either slop-eaters, top-givers, or doomers. You can't be all three, but you can definitely be neither by just being right in the head, I guess.
 
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This is how I feel about Ian. I wholeheartedly believe he's a net good for the franchise. But I do not feel inclined to overtly defend him when he already gets enough credit over people who put in just as much work
 
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This is how I feel about Ian. I think he's a net good for the franchise, but I do not feel inclined to overtly defend him when he already gets enough credit over people who put in just as much work
LMAO this is so real! I truly do not feel strongly about Ian Flynn, I just think people need to chill out. Could never get that angry over a franchise as if it's a damn football game.
 
Personally, I've never heard this dialogue online, though. Like, both in the fanbase and out of it, from everything in Movie 3 this isn't really something I've seen referenced or talked about.
Well, personally, I heard a lot of people referencing it. Way more than Ian's dialogue.
 
It is what it is. If he can crank out some good? Good. If he can't? Well, it isn't like the fandom would change all too much. They're either slop-eaters, top-givers, or doomers. You can't be all three, but you can definitely be neither by just being right in the head, I guess.
And some people will change between one of those three depending on who they're making fun of (valid option).
 
Oh yeah, food for thought BTW.
Meta Era goons never truly left. They just morphed into the Prime/IDW/Movie focused side of the fandom. And they keep merging over time.
 
Does VSBW consider Super Monkey Ball and Sonic to be canon to each other? AiAi is in Riders, and there's been at least one Sonic character playable in the past three SMB games I think. I assume they're different universes, but yeah, I'm curious.
 
Does VSBW consider Super Monkey Ball and Sonic to be canon to each other? AiAi is in Riders, and there's been at least one Sonic character playable in the past three SMB games I think. I assume they're different universes, but yeah, I'm curious.
Depends: is Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog canon? Because there was an SMB arcade cabinet in one of the areas, and it was actually somewhat important to one of the puzzles.
 


Allegedly, the Sol Emeralds are stated capable of Time Travel in the new Blaze Bio on Sonic Channel. However, checking the site directly, and Windii’s Archive, I cannot source this claim at all. I figured it was worth bringing up just in case someone else can, or in assuring that it’s false.
 
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That was in her old bio before Sonic Channel got updated. This ^ was in windi's archives before she too updated them to suit the new bios.
They're right about the removed text from Omega's old bio too.
 
Yup the destined male hedgehog trio agenda keeps going with Blaze and the Sol Emeralds getting nerfed while Silver gets buffed to have combat skill rivaling Sonic and Shadow as well as a major powerboost when he is protecting something.

Pretty much what I expected tbh, with Sega's desperate hamfisted attempt to push Amy as the sole main leading female of the Sonic franchise while pretending her fangirl antics never happened, they are causing other female leads (Blaze, Rouge and Cream) to fall off in terms of meaningful importance. Can't wait for them to confirm Burning Blaze is weaker than a "true" super form, that her fire working underwater/in space is "game mechanics" or the Sol Emeralds are indeed weaker than the Chaos Emeralds.

Just "love" when an echo chamber gets to force their head-canon on to my favourite character and her lore, seriously Blaze was always ready to defend her kingdom and people while also helping Sonic's world, I honestly don't know why that addition was needed tbh.

Ok my bi-monthly cynical rant is over.
 
Yup the destined male hedgehog trio agenda keeps going with Blaze and the Sol Emeralds getting nerfed while Silver gets buffed to have combat skill rivaling Sonic and Shadow as well as a major powerboost when he is protecting something.

Pretty much what I expected tbh, with Sega's desperate hamfisted attempt to push Amy as the sole main leading female of the Sonic franchise while pretending her fangirl antics never happened, they are causing other female leads (Blaze, Rouge and Cream) to fall off in terms of meaningful importance. Can't wait for them to confirm Burning Blaze is weaker than a "true" super form, that her fire working underwater/in space is "game mechanics" or the Sol Emeralds are indeed weaker than the Chaos Emeralds.

Just "love" when an echo chamber gets to force their head-canon on to my favourite character and her lore, seriously Blaze was always ready to defend her kingdom and people while also helping Sonic's world, I honestly don't know why that addition was needed tbh.

Ok my bi-monthly cynical rant is over.
What is this in regards to, may I ask?
 
The additions, removals and changes to the Sonic character lore/bios (assuming these are Sega official).
Ah, I see. I hope it isn't official. With the reception from the recent Shadow stuff, I hope that teaches Sonic Team a lesson on the reception of certain characters at least a little bit. I just want them to be more confident in all of their characters again. Not this safe stuff that's been happening for a while.
 
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Yup the destined male hedgehog trio agenda keeps going with Blaze and the Sol Emeralds getting nerfed while Silver gets buffed to have combat skill rivaling Sonic and Shadow as well as a major powerboost when he is protecting something.
I mean with or without the site Blaze could've always travelled between her world and Sonic's so I don't think it's that big of an issue, but removing it is still weird

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This felt like 20 bee stings
 
Yup the destined male hedgehog trio agenda keeps going with Blaze and the Sol Emeralds getting nerfed while Silver gets buffed to have combat skill rivaling Sonic and Shadow as well as a major powerboost when he is protecting something.
Feels a tad too cynical. I don't think Blaze or the Sol Emeralds were really nerfed. Just removed information that was obvious I feel like (At least I sure hope that's the case). Tho Silver being specified to be rivals to Sonic and Shadow isn't really a buff imo. He was always on their level (Silver is actually stronger than Sonic in 06, but I ain't gonna open that can of worms here). Also I kinda like the touch that he gets stronger when fighting to protect smth, cuz Sonic has a statement literally exactly the same in Battle (Coming from Rouge IIRC). Wonder if they're meaning to draw parallels there.
Can't wait for them to confirm Burning Blaze is weaker than a "true" super form, that her fire working underwater/in space is "game mechanics" or the Sol Emeralds are indeed weaker than the Chaos Emeralds.
I sure hope not. Blaze is my second favorite. And her transformation is my favorite period (Design-wise. Granted it toggles between Burning Blaze and Super Sonic). I doubt they'll go that far, but I'm not gonna risk jinxing anything.
 
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