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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc

Hello, I heard that the canon has been changed again.

Could someone please explain it to me briefly?

I went to the back page, but what is attached to the page is the separation of the canon made by Ayewale.
 
Hello, I heard that the canon has been changed again.

Could someone please explain it to me briefly?

I went to the back page, but what is attached to the page is the separation of the canon made by Ayewale.
short version: canon split is doodoo, bobsican and others made a big blog that thoroughly debunks everything, ayewale never came back to fight it. It had more agreements than disagreements, enough to be accepted, and thus it was accepted. Now it is relatively back to normal with some caveats that will be discussed as things go on (specifically legendary tiering and profiles)
 
short version: canon split is doodoo, bobsican and others made a big blog that thoroughly debunks everything, ayewale never came back to fight it. It had more agreements than disagreements, enough to be accepted, and thus it was accepted. Now it is relatively back to normal with some caveats that will be discussed as things go on (specifically legendary tiering and profiles)
So shouldn't his blog at least be removed from the verse page?
 
I saw it accidentally, right after the Meowscarada evolution episode, twitter was filled with Meowscarada fan arts
Twitter needs to be burned to the ground. And I don't mean just the current twitter, I mean anyone who was on twitter pre-elon and post-elon. At least 2/3rds of active Twitter users are horrible people as far as I've seen.
 
Twitter needs to be burned to the ground. And I don't mean just the current twitter, I mean anyone who was on twitter pre-elon and post-elon. At least 2/3rds of active Twitter users are horrible people as far as I've seen.
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Twitter needs to be burned to the ground. And I don't mean just the current twitter, I mean anyone who was on twitter pre-elon and post-elon. At least 2/3rds of active Twitter users are horrible people as far as I've seen.
I mean, most of those fan arts comes from JP fans
 
short version: canon split is doodoo, bobsican and others made a big blog that thoroughly debunks everything, ayewale never came back to fight it. It had more agreements than disagreements, enough to be accepted, and thus it was accepted. Now it is relatively back to normal with some caveats that will be discussed as things go on (specifically legendary tiering and profiles)
‘Doodoo’, more like cause it’s easier to glaze Pokémon this way 😭
 
Make a CRT to change it then.
Y’all a broken record

I’ve told you several times why I can’t currently make a CRT, and the more people go about calling it ‘doodoo’ (when it’s obvious mediums like the games and the anime are clearly separate continuities) makes it even more of a lost cause to even try 😭

it was literally accepted for being ‘easier’, not because it’s correct like cmon

I ain’t starting this again lmao
 
Y’all a broken record

I’ve told you several times why I can’t currently make a CRT, and the more people go about calling it ‘doodoo’ (when it’s obvious mediums like the games and the anime are clearly separate continuities) makes it even more of a lost cause to even try 😭

it was literally accepted for being ‘easier’, not because it’s correct like cmon

I ain’t starting this again lmao
Mf I've reread the canon unsplit thread today you didn't show your face there once and we very blatantly explained what the reasons behind our decision was. So how about you cut the bullcrap and slander of us doing it because it's "easier", no the hell it's not. Additionally it's not like you'd actually bother to make and apply an actual canon split revision, you wouldn't even get past the first CRT and dip like Ayewale did, so please, genuinely, quit it.
 
Mf I've reread the canon unsplit thread today you didn't show your face there once and we very blatantly explained what the reasons behind our decision was. So how about you cut the bullcrap and slander of us doing it because it's "easier", no the hell it's not. Additionally it's not like you'd actually bother to make and apply an actual canon split revision, you wouldn't even get past the first CRT and dip like Ayewale did, so please, genuinely, quit it.
A) I wasn’t on the wiki or aware of it at the time. Why are you blaming me for that??? People haven’t got lives outside of this wiki?

B) it’s already been told to me that was the reason lmao. Literally going on about how the verse was dead during the canon split. I get it, the verse is a lot of work but it’s obviously just the price to pay for it being genuine. Ian’s it’s gotten to the point where you’re bolstering people using stuff like Masters EX over regular canon

C) I’ve got real life shit to do and focus on. It’s hilarious how you can sit there and try and shame me for irrelevant stuff. I most definitely could, as much as your reverse psychology tryna goad me, since proving the anime and the games are separate is easy as heck (and should be self-explanatory). Second yeah, I don’t doubt people who want to keep it to the east composite wouldn’t try to make it as hard as possible for it to pass through so it’s yet another reason why I shouldn’t bother. Why go through the headache?

Even if I DID get it approved , the amount of help I would receive is zilch, and you aren’t working me like a horse on my own. You’d have to pay me lmao
 
I swear this was all before NavBoxes were a thing that kept boosting the use of making separate profiles for clearly separate-continuities/versions of characters too. Literally every other verse that’s applicable is sticking to this while Pokemon wants to stay stuck in the mud
 
A) I wasn’t on the wiki or aware of it at the time. Why are you blaming me for that??? People haven’t got lives outside of this wiki?
Didn't know that, still, why are you commenting on things that you didn't even bother reading judging by the whole thing?
B) it’s already been told to me that was the reason lmao. Literally going on about how the verse was dead during the canon split.
Nah, it wasn't dead cause it was hard, it was dead because everyone disagreed with it and the rest didn't have the time or energy to do anything especially since the initiator left. You've misinterpreted it.
I get it, the verse is a lot of work but it’s obviously just the price to pay for it being genuine.
And we disagree with it being genuine, that's why we debunked all points of the og canon split thread in the new thread.
Ian’s it’s gotten to the point where you’re bolstering people using stuff like Masters EX over regular canon
You're? Whose you're? It was Sean doing that stuff not us.
C) I’ve got real life shit to do and focus on. It’s hilarious how you can sit there and try and shame me for irrelevant stuff.
I'm shaming you for endlessly complaining about it knowing damn well you ain't gonna do anything about it.
I most definitely could, as much as your reverse psychology tryna goad me, since proving the anime and the games are separate is easy as heck (and should be self-explanatory).
Except that's the point we debunked in the split reversal thread. Hell I'm not even tryna goad you I'm stating facts. It all starts with a grand plan to revise things then when the time comes the op is "too busy with irl" and everyond else isn't gonna pick it up cause they disagree.
Second yeah, I don’t doubt people who want to keep it to the east composite wouldn’t try to make it as hard as possible for it to pass through so it’s yet another reason why I shouldn’t bother. Why go through the headache?
Good, please don't, all I'm really saying in the end is not to complain here if you're not gonna do anything about it.
Even if I DID get it approved , the amount of help I would receive is zilch, and you aren’t working me like a horse on my own. You’d have to pay me lmao
Exactly, that's literally why the old attempt never went through properly, nobody bothered to do it, and those who could've done it left because they disagreed.
 
Didn't know that, still, why are you commenting on things that you didn't even bother reading judging by the whole thing?
You’ve asked this before and I already told you this lmao. I obviously wasn’t there

I did read them, a lot of it is based on secondary quotes and ‘author statements’ which just don’t actually make sense in context
Nah, it wasn't dead cause it was hard, it was dead because everyone disagreed with it and the rest didn't have the time or energy to do anything especially since the initiator left. You've misinterpreted it.
Not what I’ve heard lmao. Nothing to do with misinterpreting either so don’t gaslight

And yeah, ofc ppl would disagree with it when Pokémon is sooooo much stronger when it’s composited
And we disagree with it being genuine, that's why we debunked all points of the og canon split thread in the new thread.
Deadass how can people logically disagree that the game and anime continuities are separate? And honestly use Pokémon Go default animations to determine speed values across the verse?

If it wasn’t for the obvious reason

“You're? Whose you're? It was Sean doing that stuff not us.“
It’s you. What happens when you decide ‘lol everything is canon’ and desperately try to composite everything? You get people purposefully trying to take that statement and ‘retcon’ the mainline games lmao. It’s a product of the bad choice made here
I'm shaming you for endlessly complaining about it knowing damn well you ain't gonna do anything about it.
No, you’re shaming me for not having the time and patience outside of my real life to even attempt making a CRT that I know will be made as difficult as possible lmao. Actually gaslighting me. You’ve already proven you aren’t interested in splitting the obvious separate continuities so why am I gonna try and make my life difficult against a brick wall?

Except that's the point we debunked in the split reversal thread. Hell I'm not even tryna goad you I'm stating facts. It all starts with a grand plan to revise things then when the time comes the op is "too busy with irl" and everyond else isn't gonna pick it up cause they disagree.

Seriously? You ‘debunked’ the anime and games being separate continuities? Why don’t we start with the literal fact the pro tags are nowhere to be seen and the anime constantly retells storylines such as the evil teams?

Where was Lucas or Brendan in the Masters 8?

Good, please don't, all I'm really saying in the end is not to complain here if you're not gonna do anything about it.
‘Please don’t’

You’re either begging me not to split your canon or you’re begging me to make a CRT, make up your mind

I’ll happily remind ppl how weird and obviously disingenuous it is for the sake of keeping your composite profiles up. You’re actively denying Pokémon has separate continuities 😭 like how have you gotten away with it
Exactly, that's literally why the old attempt never went through properly, nobody bothered to do it, and those who could've done it left because they disagreed.
“The old attempt never went through not because it’s wrong, but it’s because the other person didn’t edit ALL those pages on their own to fit it”

Doesn’t sound like the most genuine reason

Pokémon is so outdated that low-key it is probably worth taking a page out of Fates book and trimming a lot of the pages that can be redone and aren’t up to a standard.

You deadass can’t expect someone to edit all those pages on their own full of the blatant mixing mistakes. This isn’t a paying job and no one should do it other than through passion lmao. It’s quite obvious the fact it’s a chore was weaponised against them, plus it’s not like this wiki is fast with getting its edits and policies in order
 
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Like PLEASE don’t tell me the main reason you all think the Anime and Games take place in the same universe is because of all the random ash cameo Easter eggs scattered throughout the mainline?

Or Steven referencing Alain when it makes no viable sense and could easily be referring to that continuity’s version of Alain? (Steven literally gives you his shiny Beldum while it’s his ace in the anime 😭)

Easter eggs are fun little references that you aren’t meant to take that seriously lore wise, and literally have everything else going against it cmon
 
You’ve asked this before and I already told you this lmao. I obviously wasn’t there

I did read them, a lot of it is based on secondary quotes and ‘author statements’ which just don’t actually make sense in context
That's your opinion, but it also disproves that it was done "because it was easier"
Not what I’ve heard lmao. Nothing to do with misinterpreting either so don’t gaslight
I ain't gaslighting, you're gaslighting. You weren't there when it happened as you've said, and you're going on about something you've "heard". Who said it then? Can you tell me?
And yeah, ofc ppl would disagree with it when Pokémon is sooooo much stronger when it’s composited
Ironically enough it's not, it literally got an upgrade the moment people started working on it post-canon split. The only few who got nerfs were like some legendaries, but legendaries are gonna be rescaled anyway now as we agreed in the canon unsplit thread. One of the points against the split is the fact that they literally scale to either the same pokedex feats or are forced into vague scaling due to lack of feats other series provide.
Deadass how can people logically disagree that the game and anime continuities are separate? And honestly use Pokémon Go default animations to determine speed values across the verse?
Oh we agree the timelines are separate, we disagree that the canonicity is separate. Ash is in his timeline, games in another, but they clearly interact and so we have the long established canon hierarchy with games being above anime being above manga ect. What we simply do is say that there's no reason to scale all pokemon differently when they are shown to be very similar.
“You're? Whose you're? It was Sean doing that stuff not us.“
It’s you. What happens when you decide ‘lol everything is canon’ and desperately try to composite everything? You get people purposefully trying to take that statement and ‘retcon’ the mainline games lmao.
That logical leap is about as logical as what sean tried to do lmao. We pretty blatantly established that there are things that bear more weight in canon than others. Sean's whole issue was that he was trying to prove that in actuality Masters is supposed to be as canon as actual games, it's pretty much not the same at all.
It’s a product of the bad choice made here
It's a product of sean being sean
I'm shaming you for endlessly complaining about it knowing damn well you ain't gonna do anything about it.
No, you’re shaming me for not having the time and patience outside of my real life to even attempt making a CRT that I know will be made as difficult as possible lmao.
Twisting my words isn't gonna do you any good you know? You're trying to push this who narrative but it's all bs. I am saying that you shouldn't complain if you're not gonna do anything about it. It doesn't matter why you aren't gonna do anything about it, all that matters is that you aren't.
Actually gaslighting me. You’ve already proven you aren’t interested in splitting the obvious separate continuities so why am I gonna try and make my life difficult against a brick wall?
Gaslight this gaslight that, you're sounding like a tiktok girl bruh, you're the one here trying to paint a picture that we're the evil evil stonewallers who won't let you do anything, even though we're the ones saying "make a crt". Like brother, of course we're gonna make your life difficult if you try to do it, it's literally the point of powerscaling, arguing that one point is wrong and another is right. Nobody will make it easy for you, the question is whether you've got what it takes to actually challenge that.
Except that's the point we debunked in the split reversal thread. Hell I'm not even tryna goad you I'm stating facts. It all starts with a grand plan to revise things then when the time comes the op is "too busy with irl" and everyond else isn't gonna pick it up cause they disagree.

Seriously? You ‘debunked’ the anime and games being separate continuities? Why don’t we start with the literal fact the pro tags are nowhere to be seen and the anime constantly retells storylines such as the evil teams?
This just proved that you didn't even understand what the canon split and canon unsplit was about. It wasn't about proving that games and anime are in the same universe, it was that the canons are connected and that anime universe is just another timeline in the overall multiverse.
Where was Lucas or Brendan in the Masters 8?
We see brendan in one of the movies I believe, ironically enough, but then again, you clearly don't even understand the whole point of it.
‘Please don’t’

You’re either begging me not to split your canon or you’re begging me to make a CRT, make up your mind
Please don't complain if you aren't gonna do anything anyways. That's the whole point I'm trying to make. You should get a job at a newspaper cause twisting words is clearly a talent here.

There's no point in responding to you further. You don't understand the very basics of the crts we did, you're arguing based on that misinformed thought even though you state that you did read the crt.
You try and manipulate my very blatant words to make me and others look bad, trying to shift issues onto us ect. You are a very unpleasant individual, and I'm gonna take a page out of your book and not waste any more time on you.
 
Y’all a broken record

I’ve told you several times why I can’t currently make a CRT, and the more people go about calling it ‘doodoo’ (when it’s obvious mediums like the games and the anime are clearly separate continuities) makes it even more of a lost cause to even try 😭

it was literally accepted for being ‘easier’, not because it’s correct like cmon

I ain’t starting this again lmao

Hey man, if you keep complaining about it, I'll keep telling you how to fix it. That's all.
 
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You could at least watch the first two episodes on youtube or something before coming up with such a hostile opinion towards it.
Y’all a broken record

I’ve told you several times why I can’t currently make a CRT, and the more people go about calling it ‘doodoo’ (when it’s obvious mediums like the games and the anime are clearly separate continuities) makes it even more of a lost cause to even try 😭

it was literally accepted for being ‘easier’, not because it’s correct like cmon

I ain’t starting this again lmao
Could you explain why you think that, if you have a problem with how we do things, then I think it would be best to either explain your argument or just not interact with the perceived problem I think that complaining helps no one.
 
I really love this silly cat 😺
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Esa es tu opinión, pero también desmiente que se hizo "porque era más fácil".

No estoy manipulando, tú sí. No estabas presente cuando ocurrió, como dijiste, y estás hablando de algo que "oíste". ¿Quién lo dijo entonces? ¿Puedes decírmelo?

Irónicamente, no lo es. Recibió una mejora en cuanto empezaron a trabajar en él tras la división del canon. Los únicos que sufrieron nerfs fueron algunos legendarios, pero estos se reescalarán de todos modos, como acordamos en el hilo sobre la división del canon. Uno de los puntos en contra de la división es que, literalmente, se escalan según las mismas dotes de la Pokédex o se ven obligados a un escalado impreciso debido a la falta de dotes que ofrecen otras series.

Estamos de acuerdo en que las líneas temporales son independientes, pero no en que la canonicidad sea independiente. Ash está en su línea temporal, los juegos en otra, pero claramente interactúan, por lo que tenemos la jerarquía del canon establecida desde hace tiempo, con los juegos por encima del anime, del manga, etc. Lo que simplemente decimos es que no hay razón para escalar todos los Pokémon de forma diferente cuando se demuestra que son muy similares.

Ese salto lógico es tan lógico como lo que Sean intentó hacer, jaja. Establecimos claramente que hay cosas que tienen más peso en el canon que otras. El problema de Sean era que intentaba demostrar que, en realidad, Masters debería ser tan canon como los juegos reales, y prácticamente no es lo mismo.

Es un producto de que Sean sea Sean.

Tergiversar mis palabras no te servirá de nada, ¿sabes? Intentas impulsar esta narrativa de quién, pero todo son tonterías. Lo que digo es que no deberías quejarte si no vas a hacer nada al respecto. No importa por qué no vas a hacer nada, lo único que importa es que no lo haces.

Estás hablando mal de esto, hablando mal de aquello, tío. Eres tú quien intenta pintar la imagen de que somos los malvados evasivos que no te dejamos hacer nada, aunque somos nosotros los que decimos "haz un CRT". Hermano, claro que te vamos a complicar la vida si lo intentas; es el objetivo del powerscaling, argumentar que un punto está mal y otro está bien. Nadie te lo va a poner fácil, la pregunta es si tienes lo necesario para desafiarlo.

Esto demostró que ni siquiera entendías qué significaba la división y la undivisión del canon. No se trataba de demostrar que los videojuegos y el anime pertenecen al mismo universo, sino que los cánones están conectados y que el universo del anime es solo otra línea temporal dentro del multiverso.

Vemos a Brendan en una de las películas, creo, irónicamente, pero de nuevo, claramente ni siquiera entiendes el sentido de la misma.

Por favor, no te quejes si no vas a hacer nada de todas formas. A eso me refiero. Deberías conseguir un trabajo en un periódico, porque aquí se sabe tergiversar las palabras.

There's no point in responding to you further. You don't understand the very basics of the crts we did, you're arguing based on that misinformed thought even though you state that you did read the crt.
You try and manipulate my very blatant words to make me and others look bad, trying to shift issues onto us ect. You are a very unpleasant individual, and I'm gonna take a page out of your book and not waste any more time on you.
I don't think we can scale the game's aspects to the anime for legendaries other than the creator trio. For example, in the anime, Necrozma is much weaker than in the games. He literally lost all light and reverted back to his normal form just by creating a couple of stars.
 
I don't think we can scale the game's aspects to the anime for legendaries other than the creator trio. For example, in the anime, Necrozma is much weaker than in the games. He literally lost all light and reverted back to his normal form just by creating a couple of stars.
No, he lost his light after lighting up a universe at the very least
 
No, he lost his light after lighting up a universe at the very least
In the anime, not literally, it only says that it gave light to the world, planet Earth, and we see that it creates several stars, but nothing outside of just being stars, it doesn't even have the feat of the game of illuminating ultra space.
 
In the anime, not literally, it only says that it gave light to the world, planet Earth, and we see that it creates several stars, but nothing outside of just being stars, it doesn't even have the feat of the game of illuminating ultra space.
I mean if it creates light and there's stars and stuff it seems exceptionally weird to assume that it only created a few stars when there's an entire universe worth of stars. Considering it rid Poipole's homeworld of light in general it seems more reasonable to say it lit up the universe as a whole.

I will rewatch some stuff tho and get the right evidence, i don't have everything on hand rn.
 
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