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Lord of the Rings Discussion Thread
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Pretty sure the quotes are linked in the imgur links.
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Same as before I guess. Sure.
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Someone brought up the following concerns/questions regarding the Elven Physiology.
- What's the justification for Type 4 immortality?
- Fear resistance seems rather unjustified
- Empathic resistance doesn't work.
- Same with sleep resistance, I don't see how that fits.
- Also the ice manipulation resistance should be renamed to temperature manipulation resistance.
- Why does wood elves have empathic manipulation?
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Hmm, that should be limited now that I look at it. It's entirely reliant on the Valar, outside of exceptional cases.
The undead produce supernatural fear. The elves have no fear of them. Ergo a resistance is present. Nazgul are an even more explicit version of this.
If your entire race invokes emotional responses as a result of their inherent nature, then viewing one another as "normal" inherently means they resist that. Simultaneously, if you collectively resist this and yet cannot resist a higher form of it, they there is a layered EM present and simultaneously a layered resistance if that higher group can resist one another.
It's limited. Elvish forms of sleep are different from humans. When they sleep they are partially aware of their surroundings, even being capable of active actions such as running in pursuit of orcs.
It can be that, but this is explicitly in immense cold scenarios. It's not different from say having Ice Resistance because someone resisted a blizzard or ice spell.
Why wouldn't they? This isn't Warhammer, all Elves are the same race, High-Elves are only different because of the Light of Valinor in them, hence why Gil-Galad is not a High-Elf despite being a Noldo and High-King of them.
The difference is Moroquendi vs Calaquendi, Elves who did not witness the Light of the Two Trees vs those who did.
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All elves are the same race in Warhammer, unless we're talking Age of Sigmar.
In Fantasy, High Elves and Dark Elves are just the same race who had a civil war and one side won and pushed the other side off their donut. And Wood Elves are a product of that Civil War that ran for the trees the moment shit started looking hairy.
In 40K, Dark Eldar, Exodites, and Eldar are the same race, just one has to do heinous shit to not fall to Slaanesh, another hates technology so they **** trees and act like cavemen, and one is in big ships the side of a continent.
In AoS it's the same souls as the previous two, but their bodies are molded completely differently and there's four different races.
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Lore jumpscares are the best jumpscares. Thanks ReaperMan.
Well in that case, the question is even more nonsense.
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People really do be forgetting(or ignoring) that Malekith was a High Elf for a good thousand years before he got corrupted and manipulated into becoming the Witch King.
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I purged most of my Warhammer Fantasy knowledge after go into The End Times.
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unless you're really doing something major, chances are you don't even have to touch that stuff for profiles... Also helps the most egregious parts of it like Malekith supposedly pussing out of being the Pheonix King were retconned pretty much immediately when AoS dropped.
Like, if you're making Malus Darkblade you probably don't even have to touch the End Times cause his only role in it was getting murked by Tyrion lol
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Shit talk 40k and summon DaReaperMan
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It's Fantasy I stan, not 40k.
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Whenever I hear Malekith, I think about the disgraced version from the MCU.
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...I feel like a part of my soul died when I saw this
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Sauron - Tolkien's Legendarium
The complete story of Sauron. Origin: -Annatar=right-thumb-400px-"Annatar" by Alaïs Qu. Full character guide with powers, battles, and lore.
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... well that's something....I feel like a part of my soul died when I saw this
Sauron - Tolkien's Legendarium
The complete story of Sauron. Origin: -Annatar=right-thumb-400px-"Annatar" by Alaïs Qu. Full character guide with powers, battles, and lore.
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Tell me about it.
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This is what was replied to that (apologies for this since it was AGES ago):
- That's a lot of assumptions for Immortality Type 4, and not enough proof. Remove it.
- Empathic resistance and sleep resistance - as above.
- Re Cold; this is how we usually list it [[Heat Manipulation|Temperature Manipulation]] Resistance
- As for the last bit, it's not non sensical. Because if it's scaling to other elves, then actually mention that somewhere because the attached scans don't have anything like that. Add it to a different bullet points instead of grouping it with scans that don't have relevance to that ability.
- And if they are high elves, why even separate them? Seems redundant
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Here’s the link for the post those came from (I made the post btw):
Elven Physiology CRT | Fandom
I'll keep this plain and simple, but I've made a…
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1. Up to their interpretation if they don't agree. Fundamentally the soul of Elves can't die, so it's accepted as limited here.
2. They're being obtuse, the existence of elves inspires emotions just as the existence of the undead in the Legendarium inspires fear. Resisting that by simply not feeling it is a reaistance. I have nothing more to say.
3. Site standards differ.
4. High Elves differ because of the Light of the Two Trees, they're blessed, not a different race.
However, I might have misread the intiial question for the wood elf one. Wood elves have empathic manip by causing individuals to feel wary enough with their magic that they avoid locations.
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Very possibly, given he is a Hound of Oromë and therefore from Valinor and thus a witness to the Light of the Two Trees, he should live in "both worlds" like High Elves do.
That aside, another main reason is just... plot.
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This only appears in the early versions of the Legendarium, so it's not usable, but it's a neat description for what is probably an early version of the "Sword of Manwë"
"the sweeping sickle of the slashing tempest, the lambent lightning's leaping falchion even Celeg Aithorn that shall cleave the world."
"the sweeping sickle of the slashing tempest, the lambent lightning's leaping falchion even Celeg Aithorn that shall cleave the world."
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Where can I read the lore of Fantasy? Do you have any links?
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Warhammer wiki is a good place to start, but that's extremely summarized.
Really depends on what you're interested in, most factions who weren't tertiary lore by 8th edition have a few novels at the very least.
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Lizardmen supremacy
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"Summon the Elector Counts"
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"Hey, I'm wondering how I can use my Haxlord verse which has a ton of tier 1 hax against this mostly nonsmurf verse"
Good luck
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Would have been interesting if they kept their 1-A stuff and LotR could finally get its tier 1 revision finished.
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Yep. Really would've been. We woulda had Aeons VS Pre-Eä Ainur MUs. Are you familiar with HSR's scalings and hax by any chance?
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I play the game casually, so not too much but a bit.
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Thinking about it I still haven't done Galadriel or Luthien's pages... wiki burn out is real.
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The Empire, Highe Elves and Dwarfs
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it has the most books and short stories by far, and is a focus of The Old World. My recommendations are the Sigmar Novel and Vampire Wars Trilogy.
Read the Tyrion and Teclis trilogy and War of Vengeance Trilogy, though you'll find Teclis getting around fairly often.
Read Gotrek and Felix, as well as Thorgrim's novel. War of Vengeance also stars them, but overall, they appear semi-often.
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I don't think so.I've mostly just been playing Honkai: Star Rail for the past month. I'm now immersed in both the game itself and the scalings revolving around it. Is that concerning?
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Wait, are core/rulebooks also needed for lore?
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