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Ishura Discussion Thread

Antoniofer said:
Yeah, it's a shame.

Worse of all, he didn't win any meaningful battle. Poor one is getting mocked by the community with monikers like Toroa de Jobber
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Which is so dumb considering what opponents he fought.
Mestelexil is buttfucking insane and could solo any of the Shuras depending on battle conditions.

Psianop, I will make myself really unpopular with this, but Psianop probaly eats up most of the other Shuras as well, sans maybe Alus, Mele, Shalk and Lucnoa but those are STUPID overpowered as well.

And Alus, my god dont get me started on Alus. What the **** is Alus. At this point Alus is only limited by what the author decided he has. Toroa had him killed EASILY 6 times over in their fight but i guess having a portable immortality item that instantly replaces your dead tissue with machine parts is fair and balanced.
 
First_Witch said:
I find it hillarious btw, that Soujirou is supposedly the skill god of the verse but feat wise, Psianopp and Toroa have him beat currently.

The Mele calcs are also sadly useless in the grand scheme of things. Mele has established himself as the physical god tier in his round with Shalk, so the calcs will only scale to him until further notice
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You're not wrong; as a fan of Baki and Kengan, I'm very used to this craziness

And I'm optimistic about the future for Mele's calcs
 
Just coming back from slumber to announce Toroa the GOAT had finally shown up. Nonetheless, it's a shame only half a chapter was dedicated to his introduction.

In contrast with the last season, this second season will include Vol 2 and the first half of the Vol 3.
 
I was halfway through making a Higuare the Pelagic profile when I realised I had based it entirely off the anime. I assume I would be best to go and read the light novel to finalise it?
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
I was halfway through making a Higuare the Pelagic profile when I realised I had based it entirely off the anime. I assume I would be best to go and read the light novel to finalise it?
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yeah I've based everything off the light novel, but for more support on feats I will look to the anime for things that aren't clear. Since Light Novel is primary canon and other things like the manga and anime are supporting
 
How literally would one take statements about Lucnoa? that her breath can wipe out an entire country for example, I guess it's hax/range technically.
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
How literally would one take statements about Lucnoa? that her breath can wipe out an entire country for example, I guess it's hax/range technically.
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I'm still looking into it but Lucnoa is the one who changes the seasonal weather for Ishura's World. That status, at least to me, sounds like it be viable, but it'll still depend on the consistency of other feats and how we interpret the breath attack.
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
Alus's magic items are stated to be able to reduce a city to ash when combined together
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Alus is a bit different as his items are destructives in the AP way. Like his running fire, dropping that stuff it flooded the city and would have destroyed it but it isn't a AP feat but a more of a overtime hax thing.

it'll be case by case. Stuff like the cold star would be more of a AP example as it fires a huge beam that causes a large explosion and intense heat and force. So depends on what it is and how it works

Lucnao I'm not sure but she might have a good case for her
 
PowerToScale said:
Alus is a bit different as his items are destructives in the AP way. Like his running fire, dropping that stuff it flooded the city and would have destroyed it but it isn't a AP feat but a more of a overtime hax thing.

it'll be case by case. Stuff like the cold star would be more of a AP example as it fires a huge beam that causes a large explosion and intense heat and force. So depends on what it is and how it works

Lucnao I'm not sure but she might have a good case for her
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I agree, def doesn't scale to himself but still a pretty impressive statement.
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
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Blackcurrant91/sandboxuhakthesilent

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Uhak sandbox (spoilers)

Any idea how we would be rating characters speeds for people who aren't Shulk/Sojirou?
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Without spoiling since I got slight spoiled Shulk and Soujirou speed's will get upgrade and most others will be Subsonic - Supersonic (unknown times faster than sound for now)

but the verse and pages need to be made first. I'm working on some other character pages
 
Nice, fell behind on reading but I've brrn working on some character pages and things for thr verse page.

Making simple pages for noe then connect them later
 
Gigi_4_life said:
Recently finished catching up to the English translations of the Light Novel and this series is peak (All hail the goat Psianop)

If anyone wants help gathering scans I can help
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What pages u working on? I just added Higuare, Shiki and Uhak.

I was thinking of doing Toroa or Mele next, Mestelexil is pretty broken from a debating perspective.
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
What pages u working on? I just added Higuare, Shiki and Uhak.

I was thinking of doing Toroa or Mele next, Mestelexil is pretty broken from a debating perspective.
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I'm not currently doing any pages right now, I was just asking if I could be of any help, but yeah I guess I could work on some characters, though I've never really done anything like this before. I guess I could maybe work on a simple character like Shalk.

Yeah Mestelexil is broken

Come to think of it, how would Rosclay even be done, since... yeah, would he just get "bla-bla-bla with Ante's help, etc..."?
 
Gigi_4_life said:
I'm not currently doing any pages right now, I was just asking if I could be of any help, but yeah I guess I could work on some characters, though I've never really done anything like this before. I guess I could maybe work on a simple character like Shalk.

Yeah Mestelexil is broken

Come to think of it, how would Rosclay even be done, since... yeah, would he just get "bla-bla-bla with Ante's help, etc..."?
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His word arts would be standard equipment I guess and he would probably need some sort of prep time to hide them realistically.
 
Interesting statement you could wank about Lucnoa.

When it's explaining why she can survive the effects of her own Absolute Zero breath that the 'Word Maker doesn't bestow people with Word Arts that their body cannot survive/deal with'

Could use it to scale Word Arts to physical Dura potentially lol
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
Interesting statement you could wank about Lucnoa.

When it's explaining why she can survive the effects of her own Absolute Zero breath that the 'Word Maker doesn't bestow people with Word Arts that their body cannot survive/deal with'

Could use it to scale Word Arts to physical Dura potentially lol
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It's a good indication, I've slow been working on a explanation page for the series gathering some scans, what volume was this again?
 
PowerToScale said:
It's a good indication, I've slow been working on a explanation page for the series gathering some scans, what volume was this again?
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Volume 3 chapter 19
Why was she able to keep up her activity within this frozen hellscape, born from her own breath?
Why could she face the violent vortex gale, sucking everything into an air vacuum, and not stir an inch?
It was because her body could endure it all.
Dragons were the only living creatures that could possibly survive the aftermath effects of their own dragon breath.
Save for a single young elf girl exception---the Word-Maker never bestowed Word Arts that the user's body couldn't handle.
 
So im drafting a sandbox for Lucnoa (she's absolutely busted my goodness)

I'm a little confused with how her Breath Attack functions.

It's basically stated she drops the temperature in the area of her breath attack to absolute zero and then due to the air pressure created by the air rushing back into the area after this because of the Vacuum that's created, a huge explosion is created that 'annihilates all matter'. I've seen people describe this as essentially like the creation of a Psuedo blackhole but this doesn't seem entirely correct as even Black Holes don't reach Zero Kelvin.

It seems to me it's just the result of a dramatic change in temperature and air pressure which would logically create a huge explosion.

Secondly, I believe it's stated that it has a range of several killometres and a diametre of about 30-40 metres. I assume that the resulting blast from this would essentially be impossible to calculate given the strange physics which occurs at temperatures close to Zero Kelvin but just checking.

So far I have the explosion simply indexed as 'Far Higher' with the after affects of her Breath Attack and the Breath Attack itself essentially just ignoring durability.
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
So im drafting a sandbox for Lucnoa (she's absolutely busted my goodness)

I'm a little confused with how her Breath Attack functions.

It's basically stated she drops the temperature in the area of her breath attack to absolute zero and then due to the air pressure created by the air rushing back into the area after this because of the Vacuum that's created, a huge explosion is created that 'annihilates all matter'. I've seen people describe this as essentially like the creation of a Psuedo blackhole but this doesn't seem entirely correct as even Black Holes don't reach Zero Kelvin.

It seems to me it's just the result of a dramatic change in temperature and air pressure which would logically create a huge explosion.

Secondly, I believe it's stated that it has a range of several killometres and a diametre of about 30-40 metres. I assume that the resulting blast from this would essentially be impossible to calculate given the strange physics which occurs at temperatures close to Zero Kelvin but just checking.

So far I have the explosion simply indexed as 'Far Higher' with the after affects of her Breath Attack and the Breath Attack itself essentially just ignoring durability.
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if you can provide the scans I can probably try calc it
 
PowerToScale said:
if you can provide the scans I can probably try calc it
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Here you go

The only problem is, I don't think this the Vacuum explosion from the after affects of her breath. It's also mostly durability negation, in fact it's directly stated to have 'no physical impact'

The explosion from what I can tell has no statements that would make it calcable but I guess it would be roughly higher then the affects of her freezing 30 metre diamatre for 'several killometres'

Edit: There is a statement that it 'shakes the earth' and evaporates all the clouds in the area but its very unspecific. I have a feeling as though it's like a tier 7ish explosion just from how it reads. It's just annoying to add as 'Far Higher' to me.
 
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Volume 6 chapter 1
From there, the breath attack aimed straight downward.
Psianop looked down at the ground he stood upon. Likely owing to the abnormal condensation nearly bringing it into it's physical limits, this spot on the ground had collapsed into a cone shape. It resembled the crater left behind by a meteor strike, about four kilometers in diameter.
 
Gigi_4_life said:
Volume 6 chapter 1
From there, the breath attack aimed straight downward.
Psianop looked down at the ground he stood upon. Likely owing to the abnormal condensation nearly bringing it into it's physical limits, this spot on the ground had collapsed into a cone shape. It resembled the crater left behind by a meteor strike, about four kilometers in diameter.
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Thats probably fairly calcable but its done through Hax which is kind of good so then we don't have to scale directly to physicals (although you probably could if you wanted to wank that statement about Lucnoa, I think it's mostly referring to having a body that can survive in absolute zero conditions)
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
Here you go

The only problem is, I don't think this the Vacuum explosion from the after affects of her breath. It's also mostly durability negation, in fact it's directly stated to have 'no physical impact'

The explosion from what I can tell has no statements that would make it calcable but I guess it would be roughly higher then the affects of her freezing 30 metre diamatre for 'several killometres'

Edit: There is a statement that it 'shakes the earth' and evaporates all the clouds in the area but its very unspecific. I have a feeling as though it's like a tier 7ish explosion just from how it reads. It's just annoying to add as 'Far Higher' to me.
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Gigi_4_life said:
Volume 6 chapter 1
From there, the breath attack aimed straight downward.
Psianop looked down at the ground he stood upon. Likely owing to the abnormal condensation nearly bringing it into it's physical limits, this spot on the ground had collapsed into a cone shape. It resembled the crater left behind by a meteor strike, about four kilometers in diameter.
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Thanks, i'll give it a go I think i know a way to do this
 
I think I found it (Linaris' POV)
Even if they destroyed Aureatia, the sort of shura who appeared in the Sixways Exhibition would kill them off. Lucnoca the Winter, able to lay waste to a nation with a single breath. Or perhaps Shalk the Sound Slicer, who was physically impossible to infect. There were countless threats still remaining in the world that couldn't be bested either through exhausting individual strength or through manipulating an entire army.
Also something else but you can't really use it for scaling I think
"Hmm, it's a lot easier for me to go against a minian opponent, too, but... Are we even going to get the chance anyway?" Viga said, her smile never wavering. "If Lucnoca the Winter felt like it, she could erase Aureatia off the map before it can be overthrown."
There's also some statements in volume 6 about Alus being capable of destroying a nation but that's not applicable too ig
 
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Gigi_4_life said:
I think I found it (Linaris' POV)
Even if they destroyed Aureatia, the sort of shura who appeared in the Sixways Exhibition would kill them off. Lucnoca the Winter, able to lay waste to a nation with a single breath. Or perhaps Shalk the Sound Slicer, who was physically impossible to infect. There were countless threats still remaining in the world that couldn't be bested either through exhausting individual strength or through manipulating an entire army.
Also something else but you can't really use it for scaling I think
"Hmm, it's a lot easier for me to against a minian opponent, too, but... Are we even going to get the chance anyway?" Viga said, her smile never wavering. "If Lucnoca the Winter felt like it, she could erase Aureatia off the map before it can be overthrown."
There's also some statements in volume 6 about Alus being capable of destroying a nation but that's not applicable too ig
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Yeh perfect, these both scale to Hax anyway.
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
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have a rough Sandbox for Lucnoa going for powers and abilities only so far (My God I didn't think anyone was more busted then Kuze the passing disaster but Lucnoa is a literal force of nature)
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So weird seeing “at least 9-A” when she’s easily tiers above that lol but I’m assuming that’s gonna change eventually, also nice, I never really thought about how old she is.

Seems good so far but I have a few questions, why would technological things be her weakness?

And I’m also pretty sure that when she was fighting Psianop and Aureatia, there was a point where she swung her claws towards some of them and the debris or shockwave from the attack killed them despite them being very far away.
 
Gigi_4_life said:
So weird seeing “at least 9-A” when she’s easily tiers above that lol but I’m assuming that’s gonna change eventually, also nice, I never really thought about how old she is.

Seems good so far but I have a few questions, why would technological things be her weakness?

And I’m also pretty sure that when she was fighting Psianop and Aureatia, there was a point where she swung her claws towards some of them and the debris or shockwave from the attack killed them despite them being very far away.
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Oh its left over from Uhak's page.
 
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