Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[MinatoSparkle]

You guys are a trip...

Why am I the one being pointed at here

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Why am I the one being pointed at here

Because you going like "Nah, brother, trillions of times is utterly ridiculous ......but millions of times totally isn't!" made me chuckle IRL.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Because you going like "Nah, brother, trillions of times is utterly ridiculous ......but millions of times totally isn't!" made me chuckle IRL.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Naruto speed scaling if Kishimoto made the modes actual multipliers for more than 1 ability instead of vague inconsistent increases:

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Naruto speed scaling if Kishimoto made the modes actual multipliers for more than 1 ability instead of vague inconsistent increases:

Somewhere in another universe where we're given stated multipliers:

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Because you going like "Nah, brother, trillions of times is utterly ridiculous ......but millions of times totally isn't!" made me chuckle IRL.

I said no higher than that, not that that's what I think

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Yeah. But he's also a comic book character with a ton of crossovers so that makes him harder to scale than a Manga character.

Like one of his alternates killed Spawn, the tier 1 guy

are the crossovers like non canon? pretty sure mark being outer would break the story
(also look haha a western comic character and the cosmology isnt even tier 1 ahahahahaha) jk

Ion even see how you get him past a few million

it's not really that crazy, the naruto verse is abundant in terms of speed scaling, there's extreme shlt as early as the fks arc (not in the millions but in the hundreds which is still good) that is if you can stomach the bitterness from everyone else

That's crazy ngl. Like I've seen a lot of crazy speed scales for Naruto but trillions of times c? I'm almost afraid to ask how does one get there

you'll see in due time

Uhhh not exactly. Smurfs are characters with higher dimensional hax.
So Madara isn't a smurf but if he as a 3D character with 3D AP had 4D hax that

Well the thing is that Madara is just straight up immortal. Marks only option would probably be to like, throw him in space, which wouldn't really be possible without his usual speed advantage.

And without that he has no win-con thanks to the equalization.

ah I see, well guess we need a new slur for 3D hax merchants

Well the thing is that Madara is just straight up immortal. Marks only option would probably be to like, throw him in space, which wouldn't really be possible without his usual speed advantage.

arent naruto characters able to breathe in space? otsutsuki can casually exist outside and madara's weakest juubi stage is almost hagoromo level, hagoromo whos physiology is near equal to hamuras who relocated to the moon and started a population there

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I said no higher than that, not that that's what I think

How do you even get that high lmao? Like, you'd have to stack the Curse Mark multiplier literally tens to hundreds of thousands of times

 

[MinatoSparkle]

it's not really that crazy, the naruto verse is abundant in terms of speed scaling, there's extreme shlt as early as the fks arc (not in the millions but in the hundreds which is still good)

?

How do you even get that high lmao? Like, you'd have to stack the Curse Mark multiplier literally tens to hundreds of thousands of times

If one subscribes to the Curse Mark/Sage Mode being a speed multiplier, then blitz tiers account for a good part of it since those forms aren't a blitz tier amp by feats and thus blitz tier>20x speed difference

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

If one subscribes to the Curse Mark/Sage Mode being a speed multiplier, then blitz tiers account for a good part of it since those forms aren't a blitz tier amp by feats and thus blitz tier>20x speed difference

You telling me you can come up with tens of thousands of blitz tier gaps? Brotha we don't even have that many characters...

 

[MinatoSparkle]

You telling me you can come up with tens of thousands of blitz tier gaps? Brotha we don't even have that many characters...

Are we talking about millions of trillions of times FTL?

 

[Godernet]

30 million just on Wiki, potentially a lot more tbh

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Are we talking about millions of trillions of times FTL?

Millions.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

How do you even get that high lmao? Like, you'd have to stack the Curse Mark multiplier literally tens to hundreds of thousands of times

it's not the ONLY thing that's gonna be used but it'll be used for cm and sm yes

You telling me you can come up with tens of thousands of blitz tier gaps? Brotha we don't even have that many characters...

using that just pain arc alone can get you 4 digits up and you need 6 for millionsxftl

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

You telling me you can come up with tens of thousands of blitz tier gaps? Brotha we don't even have that many characters...

Not with that attitude. Just subscribe to the idea of SoL Overall Speed Haku then put as many "<" as you can in a scaling chain.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Millions.

Uh well it really doesn't take that many blitz tiers Idk what baseline you're thinking of but I'm using LS statements for people like Jonin Minato/Itachi as a baseline to stack from

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Whatever helps you guys sleep at night

 

[MinatoSparkle]

 

[ssgengar]

What the hell is this conversation

 

[Testarossa002]

If you use every single speed meta and every single "multiplier" in Naruto, I'm very confident you won't get to 1 million c
Even if your scaling starts from LoW Sasuke having SOL perception

 

[MinatoSparkle]

If you use every single speed meta and every single "multiplier" in Naruto, I'm very confident you won't get to 1 million c
Even if your scaling starts from LoW Sasuke having SOL perception

No

 

[MinatoSparkle]

If you use every single speed meta and every single "multiplier" in Naruto, I'm very confident you won't get to 1 million c
Even if your scaling starts from LoW Sasuke having SOL perception

I strongly disagree with the SoL LoW Sasuke perception meta but since you brought it up I'll rock w it

Base Guy is FTL since he perception blitzes Sasuke
3rd Gate Guy is 24x FTL cause Gates amp by dozens of times
30% Kisame is 24+ times FTL since Guy says he has no choice but to use the 6th Gate against him
100% Kisame is 80x FTL
3T Hebi Sasuke>3T Taka Sasuke<~Base Bee~Kisame
CM2 Hebi Sasuke is 1600x FTL since the Curse Mark boosts you by tens of times (in the raws, ik the VIZ says 10x)
3T FKS Sasuke>CM2 Hebi Sasuke
Chidori is a blitz tier amp since you blitz yourself with it if you don't have the Sharingan, so 3T Chidori Sasuke is 32,000x FTL
V1 Ay is comparable to 3T Chidori Sasuke, and V2 Ay is much faster than that
KCM Naruto blitzed him, so 640,000x FTL
Base WA Guy~KCM Naruto via performances against Obito, and thus WA 3rd Gate Guy is 15,360,000x FTL

So yeah, you most certainly "can" get there, even if I don't endorse some of the arguments needed to get there for this tier of characters

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

For the record the video was talking about an Alive Madara with both Rinnegan but no Sage Mode. They also highballed the Perfect Susano'o to oblivion.

 

[Stryker861]

Discord ahh convo

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Just for the record, I have Juubidara at like tens of thousands of times FTL, maybe higher depending on how much the second Rinnegan/Rinnesharingan amp him

 

[Godernet]

If you gotta be immensely generous and stack every multiplier in the verse on higher interpretations of their speed just to match what's generally accepted via feats for another verse you just gotta take the L and accept that the gap is too massive for the match to work without giving favorable conditions to one side and not the other.

I think the only actual way you can wank the characters to that speed without it looking ridiculous is by saying Otsutsuki can travel across the universe to absorb chakra fruits with their lifespans seemingly being in the 1000s of years and argue they've visited the furthest ends of a universe with a similar size to our actual universe.

and then argue they can also fight at those speeds.

maybe that'll get some good MFTL+ results while still somehow being less charitable than multiplier gooning + speed meta wanking.

but even then idk if that's touching 32 millions of times FTL while not really moving as fast as possible.

 

[Testarossa002]

3T FKS Sasuke>CM2 Hebi Sasuke
Chidori is a blitz tier amp since you blitz yourself with it if you don't have the Sharingan, so 3T Chidori Sasuke is 32,000x FTL

Uh
It's a blitz tier amp without the sharingan (per your own words)
How come you're applying the blitz amp on Sasuke's sharingan?
Also
Where's the 20x for blitz difference coming from?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

If you use every single speed meta and every single "multiplier" in Naruto, I'm very confident you won't get to 1 million c
Even if your scaling starts from LoW Sasuke having SOL perception

Sounds like skill issue

Just for the record, I have Juubidara at like tens of thousands of times FTL, maybe higher depending on how much the second Rinnegan/Rinnesharingan amp him

Oh my gosh
Sparkle I’m sorry for ever doubting you
This scale is f*****ing based

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Uh
It's a blitz tier amp without the sharingan (per your own words)
How come you're applying the blitz amp on Sasuke's sharingan?

It means that it's a blitz tier above 3T FKS Sasuke's regular combat speed, the Sharingan just enhances reaction speed enough that he can negate its tunnel vision effect and react to counterattacks

Also
Where's the 20x for blitz difference coming from?

Curse Mark/Sage Mode not being a blitz difference

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Oh my gosh
Sparkle I’m sorry for ever doubting you
This scale is f*****ing based

I would've expected you to call that downplay ngl

 

[Testarossa002]

If you gotta be immensely generous and stack every multiplier in the verse on higher interpretations of their speed just to match what's generally accepted via feats for another verse you just gotta take the L and accept that the gap is too massive for the match to work without giving favorable conditions to one side and not the other.

I think the only actual way you can wank the characters to that speed without it looking ridiculous is by saying Otsutsuki can travel across the universe to absorb chakra fruits with their lifespans seemingly being in the 1000s of years and argue they've visited the furthest ends of a universe with a similar size to our actual universe.

and then argue they can also fight at those speeds.

maybe that'll get some good MFTL+ results while still somehow being less charitable than multiplier gooning + speed meta wanking.

but even then idk if that's touching 32 millions of times FTL while not really moving as fast as possible.

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[Ghostimuscrime]

For the record the video was talking about an Alive Madara with both Rinnegan but no Sage Mode. They also highballed the Perfect Susano'o to oblivion.

What did they tier the PS?

If you gotta be immensely generous and stack every multiplier in the verse on higher interpretations of their speed just to match what's generally accepted via feats for another verse you just gotta take the L and accept that the gap is too massive for the match to work without giving favorable conditions to one side and not the other.

I think the only actual way you can wank the characters to that speed without it looking ridiculous is by saying Otsutsuki can travel across the universe to absorb chakra fruits with their lifespans seemingly being in the 1000s of years and argue they've visited the furthest ends of a universe with a similar size to our actual universe.

maybe that'll get some good MFTL+ results while still being less charitable than multiplier gooning + speed meta wanking.

but even then idk if that's touching 32 millions of times FTL while not really moving as fast as possible.

I don’t think invincible is relevant to the discussion anymore, we’re more invested in seeing the upper levels of Naruto speed scaling


While i believe naruto GTs are far faster I’m not really in the mood to go into detail about the higher end stuff
if we go by the conservative route that’s near the wiki levels then yes invincible verse outspeeds the narutoverse

Also don’t look at multipliers as a negative thing, it’s that verse’s fault they don’t have these the same way it’s the Naruto verse’s fault for not showing billionsxftl travel speed

I would've expected you to call that downplay ngl

Erm well we all have our own opinions I think it’s a reasonable scale

While less than what I have him at it’s above what the lesser lenient folks have the verse at so I appreciate the mindset and general idea



…but
All that scaling power and you choose to focus on mfing INVERSE scaling

Wasted talents

 

[Testarossa002]

It means that it's a blitz tier above 3T FKS Sasuke's regular combat speed, the Sharingan just enhances reaction speed enough that he can negate its tunnel vision effect and react to counterattacks

Reaction speed is what gets blitzed
Not combat speed
Sasuke cannot be getting blitzed by Chidori if he's still able to react while using it
This only works if his base is 1600x ftl and he then stacks Chidori on it

 

[Ped2018]

Seeing this convo makes me glad Damage is still around

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Erm well we all have our own opinions I think it’s a reasonable scale

While less than what I have him at it’s above what the lesser lenient folks have the verse at so I appreciate the mindset and general idea

…but
All that scaling power and you choose to focus on mfing INVERSE scaling

Wasted talents

Reaction speed is what gets blitzed
Not combat speed
Sasuke cannot be getting blitzed by Chidori if he's still able to react while using it
This only works if his base is 1600x ftl and he then stacks Chidori on it

My point is that Chidori is enough of a speed amp that it would blitz you if you didn't have a supernatural reaction amp. Another way of putting it would be this:
A's combat speed = 1
B's combat speed = 1
B's reaction speed = 22
Chidori A's speed = 25
A's reaction speed = 30

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Just for the record, I have Juubidara at like tens of thousands of times FTL, maybe higher depending on how much the second Rinnegan/Rinnesharingan amp him

Weak

I can get Infinite speed easy

 

[MinatoSparkle]

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

yall thinking too small.

get kaguya dimension at universal

get timeframe for ETSB to be super short like 5 min at most

get timeframe how fast the ETSB needs to be to expand across the observable universe in minutes

goon people to scaling above all this

Big black ball scaling gg

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Infinite Speed Naruto coulda almost been a thing but the one single evidence calling the universe infinite got removed from the Naruto website

 

[Damage3245]

Seeing this convo makes me glad Damage is still around

These last couple of pages almost gave me a heart attack.