Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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Nope. It's all just you. Honestly, if you had never started talking on this thread we'd all be much better off.
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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc
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Sorry I’m not letting you put your headcanons and glazing on the actual profiles? I don’t disagree anyone else would have said anything abt it tho
As it stands now, and is the reason for your page deletions, you are using scaling a from a game considered not canon to merge into mainline profiles. You’re aware of this and decided to add info including it regardless, let alone from an extremely wrong line of logic.
Make a CRT
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For shit that was already accepted before you showed up? Yeah, that's not happening.Sorry I’m not letting you put your headcanons and glazing on the actual profiles? I don’t disagree anyone else would have said anything abt it tho
As it stands now, and is the reason for your page deletions, you are using scaling a from a game considered not canon to merge into mainline profiles. You’re aware of this and decided to add info including it regardless, let alone from an extremely wrong line of logic.
Make a CRT
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Masters EX clearly wasn’t accepted as mainline canon and useable to scale on mainline profiles. Literally everyone else on this thread was telling you this. The only reason you woulda gotten away with it imo is because this verse isn’t managed well.
Make a CRT otherwise stop using masters ex scaling on mainline profiles, which is why they got deleted in the first place
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Make Masters EX profiles, they're a different line of ***** to everything else.
Just like how, say, Guzma should or would have a game profile, an Adventures profile, and a Anime profile.
Just like how, say, Guzma should or would have a game profile, an Adventures profile, and a Anime profile.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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Yes, it was. We were literally already using it. You screamed at the mods until they took them down for you.
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"Hey guys, I'm using this secondary offshoot game to try to decanonize entire DLCs and entire legs of mainline games... Why is this not popular?!?!"
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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Strawman argument. Do you even make profiles?
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Over a hundred, most of which referenced out the ass, how about you?
Note: Gloria's Endgame and Crown Tundra keys are noncanon; as Leon has still never lost a battle, she had never seen Calyrex before, and she had never faced Mustard at full power before as of Pokémon Masters.
It's on your sandbox.
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??? The only one screaming is you lmaooo. I brought it up in this thread first, everyone was disagreeing with you, then I took it to the mods who also agreed after consulting knowledgable staff members, and deleted it based on their input, not mine.
Then they deleted your other profile that I didn’t even bring up that you keep blaming me for. This isn’t based on just me
It’s actually signs of delusion that you think anyone else here is agreeing with you on this and that somehow I am actively controlling even the mods when i can’t even get these people to separate the anime from the games
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Make a CRT if you're still going to yell over this, otherwise this is going nowhere.
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???
This is about using Masters EX scaling on main profiles which we’ve already unanimously (other than this super guy) agreed that we aren’t doing?
It’s literally why the pages got deleted in the first place by mods who actively agree. Don’t tell me you disagree too
It’s down to him to make a CRT proving that it’s canon to mainline (which it isn’t) and can therefore decide to retcon entire main storylines to keep the agenda
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Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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Oh no, some Keys aren’t canon. So?
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Links any scan everLike the guy is literally tryna claim now that Trainers scale their physical stamina to their Pokémon based on a random line of dialogue from masters ex that he took literally
To what extent I ask you???
“OMG HE TOOK THAT LITERALLY!!!!”
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Actively admitting you’re adding non-canon stuff to profiles lmao
The profiles are meant to be as accurate and fair as possible?
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You…did though?
In the Maylene profile you have actively said that Pokémon trainers should physically scare to the stamina of their Pokémon based on something that was NOT literal in the slightest.
All the trainers do is give commands to their Pokémon. There is 0 physical requirement other than reaction speeds
Bobsican
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Inconsistencies between Masters EX and the core series and whatever would just fall under this:
As Pokemon uses a worldview setting, different chain of events aren't non-canon per-say, but looking further I'd agree on indexing Masters trainers as their own profile, as they can't be composited as much as wild Pokemon species as I've reiterated here multiple times.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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You're right, I should delete the Endgame and Crown Tundra Keys.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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She... said it outright. There was nothing non-literal about it.
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being in different parallels of a multiverse still doesn’t mean we should cross scale obviously different timelines and worlds of Pokémon. Literally every other similar verse with a multiverse deal acknowledges this and makes separate scaling and profiles for those individual showings in that ‘parallel world’. It’s why we have NavBoxes. Otherwise we’re just adding composite profiles which aren’t allowed to todays standards
If it’s not going alongside mainline then yeah, it’s not ‘canon’ in that regard. Don’t come at me like I’m the one trying to include the ludicrous composite scaling on mainline profiles.
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You do NOT get out much. Or you’re actively choosing to be ignorant
Trainers work ‘hard’ in their own regard, but in terms of Pokémon battles then no, they absolutely do not exert comparable physical stamina to their Pokémon. That’s all Olivia is referring to, and you are taking it literally.
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You're viewing this in the lens of what would make sense, and not how Pokemon treats it.
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The whole quote in itself is basically just saying it’s a multiverse lmao. Which we already know exists in the series. It makes 0 sense scaling wise to be saying that there’s multiple versions of characters all existing in ‘one world’.
This is literally what he means by parallel world. As such, much like every other verse with a similar deal to this, separate profiles should be made when in regards to different versions of characters. Compositing them only creates a mess.
Also a fair point to mention but Masuda doesn’t gaf if it all makes sense to a powerscaling community he probably has no active idea about, hence it’s difficult to take this as a definite credibility of the cosmology when games/anime have active examples that show they aren’t in the ‘same vein’
Games, Anime, Manga etc. should all get separate profiles and only use scaling to their respective mediums. Stuff can overlap sure but not to the point where we’re seriously using Pokémon go calcs based on default animations to measure speed feats for EVERYTHING
This is literally what he means by parallel world. As such, much like every other verse with a similar deal to this, separate profiles should be made when in regards to different versions of characters. Compositing them only creates a mess.
Also a fair point to mention but Masuda doesn’t gaf if it all makes sense to a powerscaling community he probably has no active idea about, hence it’s difficult to take this as a definite credibility of the cosmology when games/anime have active examples that show they aren’t in the ‘same vein’
Games, Anime, Manga etc. should all get separate profiles and only use scaling to their respective mediums. Stuff can overlap sure but not to the point where we’re seriously using Pokémon go calcs based on default animations to measure speed feats for EVERYTHING
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Pokémon doesn’t treat it like this either lol. The trainers outright command the Pokémon to do the fighting. This is pretty much the universal concept. And yet somehow you ignore literally everything else for what you prefer to think
You’ve been given an inch, you have NO criticality on the statement (it’s not like Olivia in herself is a valid source), you take it too literal, and thus you’ve now decided all these trainers have stamina comparable to the super powered creatures they use to fight.
The only real example this applies to is Ash and Greninja who actively linked souls or smthn but even then it doesn’t mean Ash can physically compare to greninjas lengths
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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"Trainers command the Pokemon to fight, therefore they cannot get tired"
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You don’t even know how to strawman properly
No, the trainers don’t physically exert themselves to the same level as their Pokémon do. The Pokémon do the fighting. The trainer gives the commands
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That doesn't even mean they can't get tired, much less that isn't how it's portrayed in Pokemon. Lol
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Don’t get cocky about getting a CRT accepted that
A) Is the ideal for scalers that just want to composite, to the point you’re now enabling people using Masters EX as canon over mainline.
B) is just naturally easier to accept and let happen when no one gives af about getting this verse to standards and separating the info is too hard (literally been admitted to)
C) Actively contradicted numerous times in all mediums. They are very obviously not all taking place in the same universe.
D) A statement from Masuda that’s about as credible as Stan Lees classic ‘The author decides who wins’ in the sense that they don’t care about the implications on cosmology or feats in the hobby of powerscaling
You also don’t have to keep gloating about ‘Make a CRT’ when I’ve told all of you numerous times I don’t have the time or the reason to put all my resources into attempting to change things on this overall meaningless site. I’ll bring it up sure cause I still want this verse to actually start being built up to standards as it deserves. But you can stop parroting things please.
What I’m suggesting had already been accepted beforehand, but because it made the series ‘dead’ on the wiki (too much work), ofc ppl opted to get your CRT approved.
It was you bringing this up regardless out of nowhere, I took issue with more Masters EX scaling that was unanimously agreed to not be included without a CRT before you decided to come at me with a reply based on nothing, only to then come out and say you think Masters EX should also be separately profiled (Literally all I was saying?). What’s the point in starting a problem that was never there
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They can get ‘tired’ but they aren’t anywhere near exerting the same physical energy levels and power as the Pokémon actively fighting.
It doesn’t take a genius to figure that out
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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Oh, so they CAN get tired. And nobody said they need to exert the EXACT same amount of energy.
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See how it feels to be told to make a CRT?
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You said I was strawmanning with the below statement:
I clearly am not wrong, considering what you said later.
Any other fallacies you want to throw at the wall?
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Never said they couldn’t. They get ‘tired’ for however much yelling out commands to your Pokémon exhausts you. That’s not comparable to the Pokémon having to physically fight.
You are tho. You’re saying they’re comparable based on throwaway masters ex dialogue you’re taking too literally? Even trying to downscale from that is false
Even if we accepted Masters scaling, this statement is just not valid proof whatsoever of your claim.
Difference is I’m discussing things on threads and not changing anything on wiki, meanwhile you’re creating pages with non canon info and scalings no one else agrees with (not even the Bob guy), and you continue to do so ignoring what’s been asked of you. Hence, breaking the rules
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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Oh, so you ARE just lying.
Not changing anything on the wiki is not a good thing. I'm actually improving the entire verse and want to improve it more. In fact I actually do make CRTs, I have 3 CRTs on Pokemon-specific Powers and Abilities alone going right now.
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No you’re just purposefully being stupid idk what to tell you
I’ll happily take doing things irl far more significant than this wiki over that yeah? We can’t all live on vs battles wiki forum, I’ve got actual things to do that matter to my life.
You’re actively making the verse more cluttered with unagreeable scaling actually.
Making more random pages (when the majority aren’t up to Co), using the most maximising scaling to try and make everyone Tier 2 that’s not been approved, isn’t improving the verse.
The verse has far more issues than the scaling values in itself lmao. No standard formatting, too many useless and outdated pages, the compositing opposed to making anime/game/manga variants, the lack of mass editing and motivation etc. but plz keep thinking you’re helping by adding ‘Lawnmower’ to the site
Okay, so make a CRT about why you think Masters EX is canon, otherwise stop breaking the rules
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Ad hominem.
But you're not though, you're just doing things IRL.
The verse is cluttered in general, but adding a character to VSBW who scales to already existent and agreed-upon scaling is not making it any worse. She just scales above Giratina and that's it.
your rules*
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You’re doing it on purpose lmao.
Yeah, I am lmfao. Idk how old you are but sounds to me like you’ve never got anything to do other than vs battles wiki powerscaling
Maylene scaling above Giratina?
glazing way too hard, shoulda just sent her to fight on the Distortion worldIf people genuinely agree with this just because she has a post game fight that we don’t canonically know how difficult it is for the main character, then that’s just sad.
But yeah you aren’t improving the verse with that since that implies the verse is lacking in pages or smthn (You haven’t even chosen a relevant character like Nemona or Volo lmao)
No one else here agrees with you about Masters Ex scaling, but yeah totally my rules.
