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Some Sonic fans would say Ian Flynn killed Thomas and Martha Wayne himself, probably
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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MysticMania
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But yeah, if something's in the final product of the crossover, I assume both DC and SEGA are aware and knowledgeable about it.
ShakeResounding
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Ian Flynn himself is the Reverse Flash of the Sonic franchise, YUP.
And again, I'm not defending the idea of 1-A Chaos Emeralds. I'm simply speaking from a business standpoint that Ian Flynn being the writer doesn't mean he hadn't been interacting with DC writers/execs/whoever in order to most accurately portray the characters. Or that we have to automatically dismiss anything that has a high-tier in DC that appears in the crossover because Flynn "doesn't know".
Yeah, he also doesn't know how to write Shadow or Amy, there's a lot bro doesn't know
But that's just my 2 cents. I think it would be cooler to focus on making pages for the Justice League rather than crafting schemes for the Virgin Tier 1 agenda
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He also actively dislikes the characterization Sega gives him for Sonic and actively tries to subvert it.
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man, didn't he say that he wanted Shadow to actually fight the MV but still Lost?
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Ian wanted to ruin the mystique of the inhibitors rings and make them lose because he couldn't write Shadow in the Metal Virus.
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I like joy and whimsy
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Man, the limiter rings have not been used in the Game continuity like, NEVER, except 06.
Does shadow loosing was such a bad thing?
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Yes, it is. The point of the inhibitor rings is to show Shadow's true power. Making him lose while showing that off ruins Shadow's entire image.
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Man, do you remember that Gerald said that basically the guy was going to explode if he took them off (meaning it would only be a temporary boost) and by the way, it wouldn't damage his image as much as what he did, or what did you expect, that he alone would defeat the metal virus?
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I guess...
I not entirelly conviced, but I can give the benefit of the doubt.
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So what will be the likeliest case for scaling in this? Will they scale to mainline or is this still up in the air? Either way, this could arguably boost Batman to a good degree.
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Is it unreasonable to want a character, who is beloved by countless people, to not lose in such a asinine way that doesn't make him look like a chump?
Like I can understand that Shadow was infected because Ian wanted him out of the story, I can totally get where he's coming from, but the way it was done (alongside giving us the ever so hated "Cowards run, I win" quote from Shadow) just makes Shadow look like a OOC dumbass.
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Man, let Shadow lose this fight, he hasn't lost any battles (except against Sonic)
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Then let him lose in a way which doesn't take away his character and his accomplishments, instead of in a blatantly stupid and OOC way.
I don't know how everyone else here feels, but I personally don't mind when a character I like loses in a fight. All I ask for, in return, is that it's done respectfully and not in such a way that it was clearly meant to take them out of the story they're in.
I don't know how everyone else here feels, but I personally don't mind when a character I like loses in a fight. All I ask for, in return, is that it's done respectfully and not in such a way that it was clearly meant to take them out of the story they're in.
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Honestly, that is like, the most common thing with Comic Book characters. We are talking about the comics where the spotlight can change on a whim because some higher-up said so, the cosmology so confusing and with self-contradictory stories that happen so much this Wiki had to make up a Cosmology Split to make sense of it.
One of the things that happens the most is someone working on a character, thinks they are writing everything about it, but then someone else in an entirely different book just kills them off. Happens a lot in both Marvel and DC.
It's the point fans won't care about what happens with X character or concept unless Y person writes them because of how inconsistent the series can be that is the only way they can find even a small semblance of consistency.
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Up in the air since we have nothing concrete to go off of. On VSBW, the Justice League that appears in this crossover would likely get new pages titled "Superman (Sonic the Hedgehog)" and etc.
Don't worry, Fezz, the nightmare of 1-A Sonic is not upon us.
I don't entirely disagree with you btw, Flynn could easily fudge something up and it wouldn't get noticed until too late. I just think that DC side wouldn't take the chance. Hopefully by the end of the crossover we get more definitive answers.
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i think this is the worst thing the Wiki could have done with this.
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Giving a general example, the comic that tried to establish the New Gods as actual conceptual ideas was the major event Final Crisis, so you would expect that other comics around that time would be consistent with it. But then both major tie-ins, Countdown to Final Crisis and Death of the New Gods, were made with almost no connection with the writer of Final Crisis, they developed an entirely different backstory for most of the cosmology that goes completely against what Final Crisis was trying to say, and so Final Crisis had to retcon most of it or call them "A misrepresentation of a greatly cosmic event".DC sounding like they got it worse than us
As inconsistent as Sonic is, it's nowhere near close to what Marvel and DC have to deal. At least, I don't know a Sonic story in which the writer got surprised that someone in another book from the same editorial just killed off one of the characters they were working on out of nowhere. (Except maybe in the Archie days pre-reboot)
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I personally would wait for any interviews or commentaries about this to be honest. Comic book crossovers can be all over the place, especially when done by different publishers teaming up. Like how back in the day in one of the Marvel x DC Crossovers, they placed the Living Tribunal and The Specter as equal roles in their respective multiverses, except that was far from the truth, as noted even by people who worked on the publishers, which in turn resulted in various conflicts with different writers having totally different understandings of the hierarchy.
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This crossover is for entertainment, comes with the baggage of making the characters look cool on both sides of the spectrum.
I think that moment with Knuckles and Kalibak, or Cyborg and Tails' discussion about their tech, is a good example of how they're trying to paint things. Respect for the Sonic ensemble cast
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This.
In fact, I think the crossover should finish entirely before any of us try and make a CRT of any capacity. We'd be trying to work with largely incomplete information. Tbh I just assumed we were all following a similar line of logic
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Krakkl, he's a radio wave being that Wally West thought was his imaginary friend as a child. It was based off Sonic in design, Google it!
So that line hints it's Wally West's Flash, as it would be out of place for Barry to mention (though I suppose not impossible)
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ok, now i will made changes to that in wikis were Sonic has Flash has a friend (aka, Heroes wiki)
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Robin and Tails should've been the team up...
ShakeResounding
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The Tails and Cyborg team-up seems to be the lamest to me unless we see Tails keep some of this tech, but HA, that would literally never happen
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at least Silver got with Green Lantern
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I really dislike Amy and Wonder Woman. It honestly just feels like "guys hey the females need to do something what do we do", and then they paired them up.
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I just read the crossover on Youtube and:
Is actually pretty good so Far. Sonic and Flash interactions here are the highlight, they pretty Fun already in how they banter. The rest of the characters din't Interact that much, but they fine still. The only exception is Shadow, I already deslike on how he was handle here.
Other than Shadow, the crossover is pretty cool so far.
Other than Shadow, the crossover is pretty cool so far.
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Damn.
Kalibak
Kalibak is the first son of Darkseid, born to his true love, the sorceress Suli. He inherited great power from his parents, becoming the highest-ranking military commander on Apokolips save for Darkseid himself. He is quite intelligent despite his appearance and mannerisms, and has a secret soft...
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Ooh, I kind of geeked out a little when the end of the comic referenced Sonic's "What you see is what you get, I'm just a hedgehog who loves adventure" and Shadow's "It all starts with this, a jewel containing the ultimate power."
If this comic is going to be pure fan service, references, and character interactions then it's already great stuff so far.
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He was answering a question that questioned why Sonic didn't do that, he didn't said he purposelessly subverts it, only that he doesn't 100% agrees with it... which is true, most of the fandom got mad at why Sonic didn't killed Eggman, that is the explanation he was givenDamn.
Kalibak
Kalibak is the first son of Darkseid, born to his true love, the sorceress Suli. He inherited great power from his parents, becoming the highest-ranking military commander on Apokolips save for Darkseid himself. He is quite intelligent despite his appearance and mannerisms, and has a secret soft...
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actually if you think about it...Sonic has rarely kill a enemy that was 100%sentient of its actions, and when he actually kills them, there is a twist.
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He subverts it in the actual story by creating Starline and Surge to defy that. He actively dislikes the direction Sega wants Sonic to go and wants to paint it as wrong, something the games don't do.
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