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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

Rings are 100% canon and nothing is changing my mind about it.
  • Buddy runs through a trail of Rings in Prime which can’t be a game mechanic if it’s in show.
  • Sonic Channel artwork featuring Rings
  • Eggman in Colours, Tails in Generations and Sonic in MoStH speak about Rings
  • Rivals and Frontiers talking about Rings as vitality.
  • Super Sonic boss fights having characters talk about Rings Energy
  • Unleashed’s Light Speed Shoes and Circus Part being said to be literally made from Rings
  • Cream and the Chao holding Rings and literally saying so in Generations
  • Boost literally running off Ring Energy
  • You telling me Dummy Rings was just an idea Tails had? Really?
 
Issen_Mk_III said:
Windnic The Windhog arguments are mostly misinformed. Super Sonic has had lightning decades before "Brand Synergy" arguments, & only Speed Force users have lightning for the most part. It's not as "generic" or commonplace as many claim across fiction as a whole.

Personally I like Base=Wind, Super=The entire storm.
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Bro literally has a move called Bolt of Lightning, like c'mon get serious
 
I love how people tried to claim we were being biased for not counting Rings as canom (not recently, it was some time ago).

And now that we've adopted Rings as canon from Final Horizon, it seems that if anything Sonic Team is trying to double down on Rings being non-canon.

Oh the irony...
 
Executor_N0 said:
Golden Rings between worlds, which funny enough, is an element from the old Two Worlds lore.
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Kinda makes me curious as to how the cast is utilizing it. IMO I see it as a "Warp Rings from Archie" type beat where they can activate them at will.

But I wonder if they're gonna try and pin it as Dodon Pa tech or something.
 
People are seriously trying to argue that speed-based aerokinesis is rarer than speed-based lightning. Nah, it's far more common.
 
This ******* thing (No disrespects for you Ian, but your opinions are quite hilarious)


https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/1158522859350667274/1350923721946431529/image.png?ex=67d88142&is=67d72fc2&hm=801a1eda231c160ab18f8f3a25bcc96bb40668645e73feadc88b9ae5f3611e59&
 
ZothythoTheNephalem said:
scrunkly ahh
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This thing comes from an deleted video from 2016 (after the release of sonic boom/ when it was relevant sonic media) made by some guy who was a college graduate at the time of game design, he completely reboots & completely robs sonic of his personality, making him a completely different character than who he was.


he says this while trying to pass himsefl as sonic fan who "understood" the appeal of sonic (the very first one).
 
Chianli said:
This thing comes from an deleted video from 2016 (after the release of sonic boom/ when it was relevant sonic media) made by some guy who was a college graduate at the time of game design, he completely reboots & completely robs sonic of his personality, making him a completely different character than who he was.


he says this while trying to pass himsefl as sonic fan who "understood" the appeal of sonic (the very first one).
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Don't mess with Sonic fans. They don't even get the character(s).
 
I have a question. Why are prima guides considered unreliable for powerscaling and is it true that a prima guide is our justification for that hallway in Sonic and the Secret Rings being infinite in size?

I'm wondering since I read the Bowser vs Eggman prediction blog again to see if I missed anything interesting all those months ago and noticed that they dismissed the hallway feat because of its justification being from a prima guide. I also found out that Mario is getting one of the haxes power stars have removed in a crt due to also being reliant on one of primas guides so it seems like theres a precedent for this both on and off site.

Anyways thats all I just want this clarification so I don't rush into making a crt without knowing the full context.
 
Snek said:
I have a question. Why are prima guides considered unreliable for powerscaling and is it true that a prima guide is our justification for that hallway in Sonic and the Secret Rings being infinite in size?

I'm wondering since I read the Bowser vs Eggman prediction blog again to see if I missed anything interesting all those months ago and noticed that they dismissed the hallway feat because of its justification being from a prima guide. I also found out that Mario is getting one of the haxes power stars have removed in a crt due to the also being reliant on one of primas guides so it seems like theres a precedent for this both on and off site.

Anyways thats all I just want this clarification so I don't rush into making a crt without knowing the full context.
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I don't remember Prima guides being unusable. But yes, it is used for the hallway feat in Arabian Nights. It's also supportive evidence for Solaris cosmology wiping (supplementary to Eggman's statements).
 
McFriesGuy075 said:
You can check it using Google Lens. The important part says "He admires Sonic, the strongest in the world, and always runs around after him."
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Looking back at this statement, wouldn't that make him stronger than Black Dragon? Not that I would fully agree with this but it would make the Infinite speed feat in Shuffle consistent
 
LaserPrecision said:
I don't remember Prima guides being unusable. But yes, it is used for the hallway feat in Arabian Nights. It's also supportive evidence for Solaris cosmology wiping (supplementary to Eggman's statements).
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Thanks. The people over on the power star downgrade thread just said that prima guides were unreliable due to misinformation in them and honestly I should have asked for even more specification before the thread got closed. In any case how much of our scaling would change if the prima guides and arguments around them got nuked? I wish it had been the promo statement calling Infinite the strongest enemy that was linked to a (potentially) unreliable source instead.
 
Snek said:
Thanks. The people over on the power star downgrade thread just said that prima guides were unreliable due to misinformation in them and honestly I should have asked for even more specification before the thread got closed. In any case how much of our scaling would change if the prima guides and arguments around them got nuked? I wish it had been the promo statement calling Infinite the strongest enemy that was linked to a (potentially) unreliable source instead.
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Ig worst case scenario Solaris become 5D instead of 6D (As Eggman wasn't yet aware of White Space when he said Solaris would destroy the very meaning of time itself, though maybe you could argue Eggman was aware of 6D Hypertime if he was confident enough to make a statement about the meaning of time itself), and losing 1 Infinite speed feat out of 2.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Ig worst case scenario Solaris become 5D instead of 6D (As Eggman wasn't yet aware of White Space when he said Solaris would destroy the very meaning of time itself
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This actually doesn't matter because of Eggman's super-dimensional statements implying Solaris would exist on the level of the verse's hypertime already, which is why we can concretely say Solaris is 6-D. That was tackled in the upgrade thread iirc
Snek said:
I have a question. Why are prima guides considered unreliable for powerscaling and is it true that a prima guide is our justification for that hallway in Sonic and the Secret Rings being infinite in size?
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Firstly, I actually think that Prima statement needs to be removed. It is THE most sus thing out of the Sonic game guides imo.

But secondly, it isn't a wiki-wide standard. The situation with Mario is that the guides have proven to be utterly unreliable more often than not from what I've heard. If it was wiki-wide, a portion of what's accepted on the pages would have never gone through, and there were staff in that thread that I KNOW participated in Mario game guide debacles. The Sonic game guides are more reliable, because they aren't filled with wild misinformation.
  • I know the people who did the Bowser v Eggman blog. The wanted to equalize the usage of game guides for both because only using them for Sonic would look scummy. So they rejected then for both.
 
Chianli said:
This ******* thing (No disrespects for you Ian, but your opinions are quite hilarious)


https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/1158522859350667274/1350923721946431529/image.png?ex=67d88142&is=67d72fc2&hm=801a1eda231c160ab18f8f3a25bcc96bb40668645e73feadc88b9ae5f3611e59&
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Ian likes VULNERABLE Sonic?
 
ShakeResounding said:
I know the people who did the Bowser v Eggman blog. The wanted to equalize the usage of game guides for both because only using them for Sonic would look scummy. So they rejected then for both.
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Would the guides change the outcome by any significant margin? I’m curious.
 
Snek said:
I have a question. Why are prima guides considered unreliable for powerscaling and is it true that a prima guide is our justification for that hallway in Sonic and the Secret Rings being infinite in size?

I'm wondering since I read the Bowser vs Eggman prediction blog again to see if I missed anything interesting all those months ago and noticed that they dismissed the hallway feat because of its justification being from a prima guide. I also found out that Mario is getting one of the haxes power stars have removed in a crt due to also being reliant on one of primas guides so it seems like theres a precedent for this both on and off site.

Anyways thats all I just want this clarification so I don't rush into making a crt without knowing the full context.
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I don't see a reason as to why Prima Guides wouldn't count... that seems weird
 
Omegabronic said:
I don't see a reason as to why Prima Guides wouldn't count... that seems weird
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Has to due with multiple misinfo. Just googled it again and many forums give the impression of prima guides being not entirely trust worthy, and as shake says, marioverse is not allowed to use prima.
 
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Speaking of NiGHTS, Sonic into Dreams has him tossing Dr Robotonic hard enough to smash walls, would that land higher LS than the Tails Skypatrol feats?
 
Bobsican said:
Hey, remember that one LS feat in Rooftop Run in Generations I brought up earlier? Well, the remaster makes this less of a chain reaction as the gears behind the clock can be seen, and it's evident Classic Sonic somehow has the LS to push that large one unless we make further assumptions on how the clock hands would move, so it could be calc material.
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BTW, regarding LS stuff, has this been used/calc'd yet?
 
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